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Right-wing Extremist wrote:

voidfaction wrote:

So I take it the little added dmg is not worth the low survivability of being slow, and scanned by everything. calmando for the dmg but lacks more in survivability when a sitting duck than the regualar HP stacked heavy snipers.
It takes one shot and I almost always know where the sniper is. I have read if you die in one shot you don't get direction indicator. I seem to get them almost every time and almost always a 1 hit kill to snipers. Might be headshots dont have indicator. half the time just seeing the kill feed tells you where the sniper is. proto or thales start looking in the redline if not there look in the towers. I die in the enemy redline with my thales just to pop them in the head with it from 1m.
If your not going to stack HP than a heavy is not the best sniper. sure you can get 40 more dmg with a lvl 5 calmando and a thales but you lose more than you gain.
looks good by dmg numbers and that is it. 961 eHP is not worth it IMO. unless you got a logi repairing while sitting on repair hives.
I think you would have been better off using your min scout running around with sniper / smg while hacking. ignoring the heavy snipers as they are about not dieing not highest dmg.
I can do well enough with 2x cDMG on my gal scout with kal sniper vs real players and ignoring the KDR heavy snipers.

If you're taken by a headshot, there's no hit marker. I've been OHK by body shots in my less-than-200-eHP scout suit, and you do indeed briefly see the hit marker indicating direction of attack.

I've seen you through my sniper scope, that time we were in squad together. You also run under 200 HP, or maybe just above it. So aye, you should see the direction because when they see we've got so little shield/armor hp, they don't bother looking for the headshot.

VF, mate, you don't snipe often enough in the current meta to have a clue what you're talking about. At Prof 3 with a Charge, at Calmando 3 in a neo ck.0 suit, I'm OHK'ing on a headshot where with 3x complex damage mods on my Minja suit I was tagging the headshot and watching them run behind cover with between 0-30 armor HP remaining. 40 damage is bloody well worth it.

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4669	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:07:00 - [21211] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Just play on same squad as Shotty, u'll never have to worry about snipers again. XD * Confers immunity to Redline Snipers, Rooftop Campers, HAV spam, ADS spam, HMG Heavy spam :: Shotty GoBang has left the battle :: Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3395	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:46:00 - [21212] - Quote Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
voidfaction Nos Nothi 483	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:48:00 - [21213] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: voidfaction wrote: So I take it the little added dmg is not worth the low survivability of being slow, and scanned by everything. calmando for the dmg but lacks more in survivability when a sitting duck than the regualar HP stacked heavy snipers. It takes one shot and I almost always know where the sniper is. I have read if you die in one shot you don't get direction indicator. I seem to get them almost every time and almost always a 1 hit kill to snipers. Might be headshots dont have indicator. half the time just seeing the kill feed tells you where the sniper is. proto or thales start looking in the redline if not there look in the towers. I die in the enemy redline with my thales just to pop them in the head with it from 1m. If your not going to stack HP than a heavy is not the best sniper. sure you can get 40 more dmg with a lvl 5 calmando and a thales but you lose more than you gain. looks good by dmg numbers and that is it. 961 eHP is not worth it IMO. unless you got a logi repairing while sitting on repair hives. I think you would have been better off using your min scout running around with sniper / smg while hacking. ignoring the heavy snipers as they are about not dieing not highest dmg. I can do well enough with 2x cDMG on my gal scout with kal sniper vs real players and ignoring the KDR heavy snipers. If you're taken by a headshot, there's no hit marker. I've been OHK by body shots in my less-than-200-eHP scout suit, and you do indeed briefly see the hit marker indicating direction of attack. I've seen you through my sniper scope, that time we were in squad together. You also run under 200 HP, or maybe just above it. So aye, you should see the direction because when they see we've got so little shield/armor hp, they don't bother looking for the headshot. VF, mate, you don't snipe often enough in the current meta to have a clue what you're talking about. At Prof 3 with a Charge, at Calmando 3 in a neo ck.0 suit, I'm OHK'ing on a headshot where with 3x complex damage mods on my Minja suit I was tagging the headshot and watching them run behind cover with between 0-30 armor HP remaining. 40 damage is bloody well worth it. Nothing bad intended. I understand it only needs to be a difference of 1 pt for a OHK or no. If it works for you that is all that matters. meta has only changed in the fact that assaults can now have over 1k eHP (927 thales headshot dmg with prof 5 calmando 5 3x cDMG) heavies can have like 1.5k + eHP. Sorry I said anything against your playstyle of your sniper. I understand my idea of a sniper is a lot more different than other in THIS game. They even advertised it for this game the fact In other games your sniper was a glass cannon but in dust you can wear heavy armor and use a sniper. Wish you well with your sniper. Remember I am 99.9% of the time solo and I will not talk on mic so when you shot and kill me your position is not broadcast to squad and rest of team. I will come back for you with kal tac so you have a chance, lol
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6884	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:48:00 - [21214] - Quote Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. Prime hacking fit would be min scout, able to run 3x hacks, 2x damps, a speed and cloak. Base eHP, but you're damn near invisible and can hack in 3s. I got kicked out of the State War Academy for jury-rigging a contact nade launcher to my Rail Rifle WINMATAR!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16264	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:50:00 - [21215] - Quote Spademan wrote: While you're here Wolf, I'd like ask you something completely unrelated. Has there been any discussions on the whole Assault dropship skill stacking thing? Are the cpm/ccp opposed or for it? (I know Judge is for, but he's far too biased in this case) Or has it just never been brought up? It has but the focus now is on how survivable the ADS is. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Blaster =// Unlocked
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6887	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:51:00 - [21216] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Spademan wrote: While you're here Wolf, I'd like ask you something completely unrelated. Has there been any discussions on the whole Assault dropship skill stacking thing? Are the cpm/ccp opposed or for it? (I know Judge is for, but he's far too biased in this case) Or has it just never been brought up? It has but the focus now is on how survivable the ADS is. Surviving is easy. Protip: Afterburners They really do need a cooldown nerf. 10s is WAAAAY too short. I lose more ADS to ramming and RDV's than anything else now. I only get killed by AV if I'm stupid enough to try and poach a kill when they have tons of AV in the area. Alpha damage is the only reliable way to take down an ADS, which is why Rail Tanks and Forges are used to that effect in PC. I got kicked out of the State War Academy for jury-rigging a contact nade launcher to my Rail Rifle WINMATAR!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4671	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:54:00 - [21217] - Quote Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. I'm not following ... (?) Minja Hack + CB > All Else + CB Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3667	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:55:00 - [21218] - Quote Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. My minja with 2 Codebreakers can beat your Gal with 2 Codebreakers. I am dying for something useful to be put in HS. Shields are meh. They help some, but many times I am just going to die. Complex shield just cost too much for the extra hp you get over Enhanced. I don't have damage mods skilled because they have been useless for awhile. Codebreakers would be super sweet. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3395	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:58:00 - [21219] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. Prime hacking fit would be min scout, able to run 3x hacks, 2x damps, a speed and cloak. Base eHP, but you're damn near invisible and can hack in 3s. How much faster is that hack than a Gallente with 2? I think the gal will hack at about 5 seconds (paging someone who knows what the base hack speed is, I think it's 10 seconds) How useful are those 2 extra seconds? And speed is about 10.00 vs 10.30. Maybe I'm thinking it over too much, but I just don't want to see the minmatar outclassed in this. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3667	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:03:00 - [21220] - Quote Spademan wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. Prime hacking fit would be min scout, able to run 3x hacks, 2x damps, a speed and cloak. Base eHP, but you're damn near invisible and can hack in 3s. How much faster is that hack than a Gallente with 2? I think the gal will hack at about 5 seconds (paging someone who knows what the base hack speed is, I think it's 10 seconds) How useful are those 2 extra seconds? And speed is about 10.00 vs 10.30. Maybe I'm thinking it over too much, but I just don't want to see the minmatar outclassed in this. 2 Seconds is the difference between high tailing the area and finding cover before you are found, then killing the fool rehacking or being discovered and killed, only hoping to spawn back in the area and defend before something can be re hacked. You can always tell a Millford Minja

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6888	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:12:00 - [21221] - Quote Spademan wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. Prime hacking fit would be min scout, able to run 3x hacks, 2x damps, a speed and cloak. Base eHP, but you're damn near invisible and can hack in 3s. How much faster is that hack than a Gallente with 2? I think the gal will hack at about 5 seconds (paging someone who knows what the base hack speed is, I think it's 10 seconds) How useful are those 2 extra seconds? And speed is about 10.00 vs 10.30. Maybe I'm thinking it over too much, but I just don't want to see the minmatar outclassed in this. Those 2 seconds are godsend. I got kicked out of the State War Academy for jury-rigging a contact nade launcher to my Rail Rifle WINMATAR!
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3397	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:16:00 - [21222] - Quote Alright, 2 seconds seems fairly negligible, but you guys are the experts. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16266	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:21:00 - [21223] - Quote Hmm... while I cannot guarantee I can perfectly slice the headshot damage to reach design goals the main rifles in question however are still going to likely see a massive improvement to headshot bonus regardless. Which brings me to the tactical. Make it follow its brothers? or make it the rebel with higher regular damage and lower headshot factor as it is meant to be more of a frontline sniper? Anyways I will begin to start building up damage tables I will be working with and will need advisement. I have appia's math up as well and going to throw her model in. and looking back at the condensed table I seemed to have screwed up in two somewheres. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Blaster =// Unlocked
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3399	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:42:00 - [21224] - Quote Oh, Ghost. What are the pros and cons of me joining your corp? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
mollerz 5231	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:45:00 - [21225] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. Prime hacking fit would be min scout, able to run 3x hacks, 2x damps, a speed and cloak. Base eHP, but you're damn near invisible and can hack in 3s. I might even say that fit is what I was thinking except will it pass the PG test? Coiled and Ready to Strike
Cass Caul 1033	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:45:00 - [21226] - Quote IWS, you are terrible at this game. If you demostrated, repeatedly that you are terrible. You're an idiot. All of your ideas are terrible. The only reason people are freindly to you here is because you've shown the only competant thing you can do is relay the feelings of a community. This is, in fact, the exact same thing happening again. However the difference this time is that instead of a role it is a single weapon. The people that use the item are saying the same thing: The range cannot be reduced without hindering a significant number of sniping locations, that the Forge Gun is better than the Sniper Rifle 100% of the time within 300m, and that the damage has to be capable of killing someone with a headshot. The people that don't use it are saying whatever they will reduce the number of users. They're even contradictory. And you're over here in this magical land of whatever realm your mind exists in, one that has nothing to do with reality. When will you learn: Your ideas are terrible. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3399	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:48:00 - [21227] - Quote Oh Appia, you had managed to be nice for so long. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Cass Caul 1033	Posted - 2014.08.31 20:54:00 - [21228] - Quote mollerz wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Spademan wrote: Query: If codebreakers were moved to highslots, what would the prime hacking fitting be? I only ask because the Gal with 2 each of codebreakers, Kincats and Dampeners seems like it would be better than any Minja fit. I suppose the minmatar can sprint and hack faster. But still. Meh, just a thought I had. Prime hacking fit would be min scout, able to run 3x hacks, 2x damps, a speed and cloak. Base eHP, but you're damn near invisible and can hack in 3s. I might even say that fit is what I was thinking except will it pass the PG test? You can fit 3x Complex Codebreakers, complex KinCat, Ishukone Cloak Field, Viziam Flux Drop Uplink, and STD Nova Knives. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6894	Posted - 2014.08.31 21:04:00 - [21229] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: IWS, you are terrible at this game. If you demostrated, repeatedly that you are terrible. You're an idiot. All of your ideas are terrible. The only reason people are freindly to you here is because you've shown the only competant thing you can do is relay the feelings of a community. This is, in fact, the exact same thing happening again. However the difference this time is that instead of a role it is a single weapon. The people that use the item are saying the same thing: The range cannot be reduced without hindering a significant number of sniping locations, that the Forge Gun is better than the Sniper Rifle 100% of the time within 300m, and that the damage has to be capable of killing someone with a headshot. The people that don't use it are saying whatever they will reduce the number of users. They're even contradictory. And you're over here in this magical land of whatever realm your mind exists in, one that has nothing to do with reality. When will you learn: Your ideas are terrible. This and posts like this is why you never made the CPM I got kicked out of the State War Academy for jury-rigging a contact nade launcher to my Rail Rifle WINMATAR!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4675	Posted - 2014.08.31 21:13:00 - [21230] - Quote :: head on desk :: IWS is not the enemy. He's making a sincere effort to help better the game. He's come to us seeking input and dialogue. What could you possibly hope to accomplish by attacking him? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Cass Caul 1033	Posted - 2014.08.31 21:20:00 - [21231] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: :: head on desk :: IWS is not the enemy. He's making a sincere effort to help better the game. He's come to us seeking input and dialogue. What could you possibly hope to accomplish by attacking him? Because I'll be gone in a week. I won't get to experience hotfix delta. All I want is to leave with a working weapon. Not some half-functioning piece of crap that's still worthless in PC. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
voidfaction Nos Nothi 484	Posted - 2014.08.31 21:35:00 - [21232] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: IWS, you are terrible at this game. If you demostrated, repeatedly that you are terrible. You're an idiot. All of your ideas are terrible. The only reason people are freindly to you here is because you've shown the only competant thing you can do is relay the feelings of a community. This is, in fact, the exact same thing happening again. However the difference this time is that instead of a role it is a single weapon. The people that use the item are saying the same thing: The range cannot be reduced without hindering a significant number of sniping locations, that the Forge Gun is better than the Sniper Rifle 100% of the time within 300m, and that the damage has to be capable of killing someone with a headshot. The people that don't use it are saying whatever they will reduce the number of users. They're even contradictory. And you're over here in this magical land of whatever realm your mind exists in, one that has nothing to do with reality. When will you learn: Your ideas are terrible. I see him as trying to balance the sniper and everyone else fighting to keep there redline or tower perches safe with a 1 hit kill added. I use the item and I don't want 600m OHK. You can call me stupid and a bad player but I don't spend 24hrs a day in game with who knows how many alts. No i'm not good at math or english. Math don't solve everything and good speakers / writers fit in the same spot as politicians. able to make bad ideas sound good and good ideas sound bad because they think the one who can talk the best has the right answer. Your way of thought is if you can type/speak good and good in math then everyone else is just stupid. I know many people like that and they all come to me to fix there computers and cars because as you would put it are STUPID only because they don't know something I do. The real stupid person is you for thinking you know everything and better than everyone.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16268	Posted - 2014.08.31 21:52:00 - [21233] - Quote PC players had made it very abundantly clear that they the least appreciated folks in that game however. OHK just because has lead to many many frustrating things in the past; Missile tanks, small missile turrets on anything, large and small rail guns, grenades and super splash forge guns back in the old days. OHK on the receiving end should be more of 'you were stupid and deserved it' and less of 'guy pointed a gun in your general direction. Like not seeing that RE there, you stood there thinking the plc shot is going to miss, you stood still for a forge or sniper to line up the cross hairs on you. You didn't weave enough to shake the railgun turret's aim off. you didn't catch the grenade cooking animation on your enemy. The list goes on but the ohk of the victim has to be majority the victim's fault. OHK on the giver's side should be because you put effort into it. lined up that perfect headshot, timed your grenade and projection perfect, hitting the guy squarely with the rail and forge, placed your RE in a position the enemy may easily miss it. And if I am willing to bet anything; I am willing to bet players are more than capable of adapting. Laser rifle changes has constantly changed the best perches to laser rifle from where you get that perfect afocal burn point of doing the most amount of melting in a short amount of time. I would rather wish to change maps I would rather wish to change redline mechanics I would rather wish mcc exterior player interaction behavior. But alas those are not options. Screwing with the zoom or range is are sadly the only options afforded. As back to needing that 600 meter range to avoid getting forged and yet still getting forged? Why in the hell did you let that guy get 300 meters on you? In theory you should be able to sanitize everything within 300 meters if you pay attention. Yes I am a terrible player but I am not ignorant of the problems the game faces. Players want to be rewarded for doing a good job. I am going to give them that. Players want to feel like they belong doing something they like. I want to give them that. and I really want players to tolerate their enemies regardless of what gear they use; and that is a crazy dream really way far off in lala land but you have to admit the game would be better for it if was that way. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Blaster =// Unlocked
Cass Caul 1033	Posted - 2014.08.31 21:53:00 - [21234] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: Please for everything that is sacred and holy, do not nerf the range on sniper rifles to compensate for any increased effectiveness that may be gained by an upcoming fix. I've said it so many times. I'm sure you've read something on the matter. You know snipers are hated. You know red line snipers cast a bad light on the whole class. Please believe me when I say that red line snipers are not effective nor do they contribute enough to influence the effective range of a weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2339713#post2339713 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2339856#post2339856 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2339901#post2339901 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2340128#post2340128 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2340456#post2340456 All you've done, voidfaction, in the past 7 pages is said, "I don't like heavy snipers. I don't do that so no one else should be allowed to either." I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
voidfaction Nos Nothi 484	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:07:00 - [21235] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: Please for everything that is sacred and holy, do not nerf the range on sniper rifles to compensate for any increased effectiveness that may be gained by an upcoming fix. I've said it so many times. I'm sure you've read something on the matter. You know snipers are hated. You know red line snipers cast a bad light on the whole class. Please believe me when I say that red line snipers are not effective nor do they contribute enough to influence the effective range of a weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2339713#post2339713 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2339856#post2339856 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2339901#post2339901 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2340128#post2340128 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2340456#post2340456 All you've done, voidfaction, in the past 7 pages is said, "I don't like heavy snipers. I don't do that so no one else should be allowed to either." Am I calling anyone stupid or an idiot. NO I am giving my reasons why I think my idea is right. Its a debate and yes I present myself wrong as I did not go to collage for debating and spent my time in high school doing things I should not have. I don't like heavy snipers. I said it again. I am not saying your stupid or an idiot for being a heavy sniper. or supporting 600m OHK, I give my thoughts and reasons in a fair way vs what I don't like. I even come to agree with a OHK provided it full range vs heavies. debate and compromise or concede without calling anyone stupid, idiot, or dumb for thinking different.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3401	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:14:00 - [21236] - Quote The way I see it is that if the sniper gets buffed then depending on the situation I may opt for a counter-snipe rather than my usual sniper hunt. (At the moment it's rare that I do that) Is that a good thing? Or is it a bad thing? I don't know. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
voidfaction Nos Nothi 485	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:24:00 - [21237] - Quote Would 400m range be bad with a dmg buff? Gives a sniper 100m over the forgegun and pulls the redliners closer so even a NK scout could run in and kamikaze kill them
Cass Caul 1033	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:33:00 - [21238] - Quote Spademan wrote: The way I see it is that if the sniper gets buffed then depending on the situation I may opt for a counter-snipe rather than my usual sniper hunt. (At the moment it's rare that I do that) Is that a good thing? Or is it a bad thing? I don't know. I think of it as a good thing. Counter-Sniping was some of the best times I've had. It starts by them pulling out a SR, then getting killed over and over against until they quit trying. Back then I sniped as a scout because I needed to draw their attention to me, then set up RE traps so when they tried to kill me they'd either find an empty nest of nanohives and die from REs. Or they find me sitting there with a sniper rifle trying to apporach and find themselves killed by REs. Or waiting for them to come to where I was and snipe them from a new location. It gives more value to a sniper. Not only was the sniper killing high priority targets but they have also caused someone to leave the group and divert attention away from attacking/defending points. With competent levels of situational awareness you can watch them look for you and kill red dots for a bit. The fantastic battles that happened. Epic moments where people needed to divert their attention away from the point to hunt me down. Even in early Uprising I could run around in a Scout suit, Cmp Damge Mod, Cmp Dampener, Cmp KinCat, Cmp CardReg, Bsc Armor Repairer. Snipe at [E] on Skim Junction then run around and get to [D] and take out their guys over there. That was back when I ran with Gem Cutter. The two of us tag-teamed sniped and could hold down 2 points working together. It got fun when Symbiotiforks joined us. We even did PC matches with 3 snipers. But you can't land on the Obelisks anymore, the Laser Rifle has more range, and the Rail Rifle exists. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3404	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:40:00 - [21239] - Quote I get that, I do. I've had some pretty sweet sniper duels before. (though I'm sure not to the level you or any dedicated sniper has, and mostly before 1.7) But if my first thought is to take out a sniper rifle rather than go on a hunt, then you get into the issue of "the best/most efficient counter to the object is itself" which leaves a nasty taste. Particularly after what we went through with tanks. (and arguably still are going through) But then again, a weapon must be able to kill a person wielding it, but it shouldn't be the best at it. How do we get through that? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Cass Caul 1033	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:41:00 - [21240] - Quote Red line snipers have no affect on the outcomes of battle. They only time people complain about them is when the other 15 members of that sniper's team are also in the redline. They wouldn't even be a footnote in this discussion if the sniper rifle had the power to actually kill another sniper I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks



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