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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

Appia my goal wasn't to improve the visual effects of cloak but to utilize it as the wave of opportunity it needs to balance scouts. Scouts have half of their skill bonus to cloak. CCP wants us to use cloak. No matter what we ask for, scout and cloak will be synonymous. .

Completely remove the visual cloak, instead think of it as an active equipment you need to have on in order for your skill bonus to work. Then think about my proposal. Stop thinking the cloak is there just to provide visual camo, It's much more than that. The visual cloak is just a "bonus feature"

I would wear cloak if it dropped by profile to 15. Who gives a **** that it makes me blue.

To me: The cloak is a active dampener.

If I stand still, I'm hard to see. I don't trust it to cover me when running. I just go the long way around.

Back to pre-1.7, where we succeeded by flanking and not being seen rather than cloaking. I like it this way.

However, I still want a few changes to the cloak.

I want the cloak to make me flat out INVISIBLE. Then throw on a lengthy cloak and de-cloak time. Make it a tool for insertion and retreat, but not rapidly. Once you are behind enemy lines, you should stay hidden by using scans to AVOID targets, not by using the cloak.

That's just me though.

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Cass Caul 536	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:17:00 - [19801] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Appia my goal wasn't to improve the visual effects of cloak but to utilize it as the wave of opportunity it needs to balance scouts. Completely remove the visual cloak, instead think of it as an active equipment you need to have on in order for your skill bonus to work. Then think about my proposal. Stop thinking the cloak is there just to provide visual camo, It's much more than that. The visual cloak is just a "bonus feature" I would wear cloak if it dropped by profile to 15. Who gives a ** that it makes me blue. That's ***** stupid. You're being an idiot. You're jamming it down our throats instead of making it an option to use. Your idea is "I'm only allowed to be a scout when I'm cloaked." Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1560	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:26:00 - [19802] - Quote Facepalm. What other frame can do their Role" without fitting their racial bonuses? Oh that's right none of them. Scouts can currently do that just fine. There passive skills remain superior in every way. You don't have to fit cloak, do to fit cloak, but you can't use your skill bonus with out it. It's no different than any other suit bonus in this game. You just don't want to use cloak because "reasons". Because you feel it hamstrings you into a role, but guess what, heavys have a bonus to fitting heavy weapons, sentinels have bonuses to light weapons. They can fit whatever they want, but they won't be a good if they fit the racial weapons. Same thing goes. You can fit whatever you want. No "shoving down throat". If I wanted that, it would require a cloak to be fitting before you could deploy. You are failing to think critically and instead spewing asinine comments. Please think before you post My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Cass Caul 536	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:38:00 - [19803] - Quote When have you ever seen me post "OMG, I just love how Assault suits only benefit from using their racial weapons! Oh, and those Logsitics suits, I am so thankful their bonus only covers a single EQ" Only, those suits still function as Assault/Frontline or Logistics/Support. I can and do run my Gallente Logistics gk.0 in PC without using Active Scanners. I can, now at least, run my Assault ak.0, gk.0, ck.0, and mk.0 without using my racial rifle. You're taking away the scan profile, scan range, scan precision bonuses from the Scouts. "Only while cloaked" do it get those? I mean this, without any malice, sarcasm, or humor, that your idea is worse than any thing from Quil, Oswald, Gav, or any other terrible idea that's come up in these past 991 pages. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1560	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:44:00 - [19804] - Quote You no longer have to fit an entire rack of high slots to be hidden. You no longer have to stack an entire rack of highs to detect You no longer can perma scan All so you can fit a single piece of equipment. Yep sounds pretty stupid to me. It's actually a huge boon, but all you see is that it requires cloak. You obviously have no concept of how this game works if you don't think you are supposed to utilize your racial bonuses. It's no wonder you didn't get elected cpm. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1701	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:48:00 - [19805] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: You no longer have to fit an entire rack of high slots to be hidden. You no longer have to stack an entire rack of highs to detect You no longer can perma scan All so you can fit a single piece of equipment. Yep sounds pretty stupid to me. It's actually a huge boon, but all you see is that it requires cloak. You obviously have no concept of how this game works if you don't think you are supposed to utilize your racial bonuses. It's no wonder you didn't get elected cpm. WOW. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2907	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:53:00 - [19806] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: You no longer have to fit an entire rack of high slots to be hidden. You no longer have to stack an entire rack of highs to detect You no longer can perma scan All so you can fit a single piece of equipment. Yep sounds pretty stupid to me. It's actually a huge boon, but all you see is that it requires cloak. You obviously have no concept of how this game works if you don't think you are supposed to utilize your racial bonuses. It's no wonder you didn't get elected cpm. You can still throw 4 cPE on your cal suit and detect everything. You can still throw 4 damps on your gal and escape. The suits have the fitting power without cloak to work just as well. Question: Why should the scout be the only one whose bonus is dependent on the duration of an equipment? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6318	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:14:00 - [19807] - Quote noob cavman wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: You no longer have to fit an entire rack of high slots to be hidden. You no longer have to stack an entire rack of highs to detect You no longer can perma scan All so you can fit a single piece of equipment. Yep sounds pretty stupid to me. It's actually a huge boon, but all you see is that it requires cloak. You obviously have no concept of how this game works if you don't think you are supposed to utilize your racial bonuses. It's no wonder you didn't get elected cpm. WOW. I admire his honesty. "It's a bold move Cotton! Let's see if it pays off." FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6318	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:17:00 - [19808] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Appia my goal wasn't to improve the visual effects of cloak but to utilize it as the wave of opportunity it needs to balance scouts. Scouts have half of their skill bonus to cloak. CCP wants us to use cloak. No matter what we ask for, scout and cloak will be synonymous. . Completely remove the visual cloak, instead think of it as an active equipment you need to have on in order for your skill bonus to work. Then think about my proposal. Stop thinking the cloak is there just to provide visual camo, It's much more than that. The visual cloak is just a "bonus feature" I would wear cloak if it dropped by profile to 15. Who gives a **** that it makes me blue. To me: The cloak is a active dampener. If I stand still, I'm hard to see. I don't trust it to cover me when running. I just go the long way around. Back to pre-1.7, where we succeeded by flanking and not being seen rather than cloaking. I like it this way. However, I still want a few changes to the cloak. I want the cloak to make me flat out INVISIBLE. Then throw on a lengthy cloak and de-cloak time. Make it a tool for insertion and retreat, but not rapidly. Once you are behind enemy lines, you should stay hidden by using scans to AVOID targets, not by using the cloak. That's just me though. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16883	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:18:00 - [19809] - Quote Shots fired. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1562	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:23:00 - [19810] - Quote @ spade, because ewar and the bonuses given are relatively strong. Scouts are tools of hit and run tactics no? Vehicles balance relies on active equipment and cooldowns as well. While currently not well balanced, its not necessarily the mods or xooldowns. But their counters. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast

Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 238	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:24:00 - [19811] - Quote GUYS IT DOESN'T MATTER THE NEW NOVA KNIVES ARE SO KITTENING GOOD Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2030	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:30:00 - [19812] - Quote How are th enew NK's? Also, are the Amarr assaults FoTM as I predicted? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Cass Caul 538	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:44:00 - [19813] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: How are th enew NK's? Also, are the Amarr assaults FoTM as I predicted? +0.5m makes a difference while Increased aim adhesion did not. Attempted to sit on a tank and repeatedly knife them, it did no damage. Other squad-mates were reporting the same thing that match. Yet, one of the guys got a Nova Knife kill on a Tank in a PC match. We were not sure if it was buggy, lag induced, or game-mode dependent. And the Amarr Assault went from Working very well to "shh, let's not tell anyone how ridiculous this is yet." Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 239	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:02:00 - [19814] - Quote I was skeptical of the effect it would have but that .5 meters makes all the difference in the world. Aim adhesion seems to be letting me hit things further to the left and right of where I would normally hit them, but that may just be the increased range/me imagining things. I ******* love the range though. Did I mention that I love the range? Because oh my god. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2030	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:10:00 - [19815] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: How are th enew NK's? Also, are the Amarr assaults FoTM as I predicted? +0.5m makes a difference while Increased aim adhesion did not. Attempted to sit on a tank and repeatedly knife them, it did no damage. Other squad-mates were reporting the same thing that match. Yet, one of the guys got a Nova Knife kill on a Tank in a PC match. We were not sure if it was buggy, lag induced, or game-mode dependent. And the Amarr Assault went from Working very well to "shh, let's not tell anyone how ridiculous this is yet." This is exactly how i imagined Charlie would pan out Also its awesome that the amarr assault is FoTM because i love my suit being the weakest in the game to the FoTM... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2030	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:24:00 - [19816] - Quote Guys is this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169846&find=unread coming true? I haven't played yet, but I may be on later to check it out "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1701	Posted - 2014.08.13 17:02:00 - [19817] - Quote Welp im gonna continue to spec up my gal assault, squids dont worry im after religious gold plated dutch smelting accidents \o/ I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6333	Posted - 2014.08.13 17:27:00 - [19818] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Welp im gonna continue to spec up my gal assault, squids dont worry im after religious gold plated dutch smelting accidents \o/ In the meantime, I'm gonna do what I normally do, and fly in the face of FOTM. I still think I can make the Min Assault work. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4006	Posted - 2014.08.13 17:34:00 - [19819] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: noob cavman wrote: Welp im gonna continue to spec up my gal assault, squids dont worry im after religious gold plated dutch smelting accidents \o/ In the meantime, I'm gonna do what I normally do, and fly in the face of FOTM. Thinking I might skill MinScout. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1705	Posted - 2014.08.13 17:49:00 - [19820] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: noob cavman wrote: Welp im gonna continue to spec up my gal assault, squids dont worry im after religious gold plated dutch smelting accidents \o/ In the meantime, I'm gonna do what I normally do, and fly in the face of FOTM. I still think I can make the Min Assault work. Have that at 5 already but I kinda want another bruiser armour tank suit. Already have gal at 2 but was toying with the idea of re skillin my amarr assault.... but looking at gd makes me want to just hunt down all these newbie scr user's I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 808	Posted - 2014.08.13 18:03:00 - [19821] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Pleaze newbz.... Go On Monk, Like. whut? Liked it anyway. Coz it's you You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4010	Posted - 2014.08.13 18:19:00 - [19822] - Quote Warning! Do not stab the damaged car. It will blow up and kill you. (wonder if this is intentional?) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6341	Posted - 2014.08.13 18:20:00 - [19823] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Warning! Do not stab the damaged car. It will blow up and kill you. Worth it. Time for Speed Tanked Min Scouts with ADV Knives. They can chew through tanks just as fast. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 809	Posted - 2014.08.13 18:32:00 - [19824] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Appia my goal wasn't to improve the visual effects of cloak but to utilize it as the wave of opportunity it needs to balance scouts. Scouts have half of their skill bonus to cloak. CCP wants us to use cloak. No matter what we ask for, scout and cloak will be synonymous. . Completely remove the visual cloak, instead think of it as an active equipment you need to have on in order for your skill bonus to work. Then think about my proposal. Stop thinking the cloak is there just to provide visual camo, It's much more than that. The visual cloak is just a "bonus feature" I would wear cloak if it dropped by profile to 15. Who gives a ** that it makes me blue. To me: The cloak is a active dampener. If I stand still, I'm hard to see. I don't trust it to cover me when running. I just go the long way around. Back to pre-1.7, where we succeeded by flanking and not being seen rather than cloaking. I like it this way. However, I still want a few changes to the cloak. I want the cloak to make me flat out INVISIBLE. Then throw on a lengthy cloak and de-cloak time. Make it a tool for insertion and retreat, but not rapidly. Once you are behind enemy lines, you should stay hidden by using scans to AVOID targets, not by using the cloak. That's just me though. >> Back to pre-1.7, where we succeeded by flanking and not being seen rather than cloaking. I like it this way. This. Sorry Iggy, I hate the idea of waves of opportunity to be a scout. I'm also sorry that at this point I can't give you the courtesy of an explanation as to why. I would rather ditch EWAR bonuses and cloaks and get back to where we were (1.6 / 7) when we'd been crying for some sort of buff for a year, and go from there again. Farking scout buff...it was too too much, in classic CCP style; now we're losing our identities and it can't even be properly fixed coz 2nd May. Bollocks once more. ** I gotta go out in my minnie suit and stab some suckas. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 809	Posted - 2014.08.13 18:33:00 - [19825] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Shots fired. Barfight! \o/ Ghost Kaisar wrote: noob cavman wrote: Welp im gonna continue to spec up my gal assault, squids dont worry im after religious gold plated dutch smelting accidents \o/ In the meantime, I'm gonna do what I normally do, and fly in the face of FOTM. Thinking I might skill MinScout. Knives are fun on the Gal, but a little more gank would help. Yeah about your GalScout w/ knives. Been meaning to tell you for a while that you're doin it wrong ;-) Probably you're just a better aim than I - haha I know it. Adipem Nothi wrote: Warning! Do not stab the damaged car. It will blow up and kill you. (wonder if this is intentional?) It's brilliant when it happens. I think it's not necessarily intentional, just how it used to work when knives used to damage LAVs. Stab all the things You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4017	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:34:00 - [19826] - Quote Minmatar Scout, Level 2! PW: Pro Knives SW: Toxin SMG HS: Cmp Shields (x2) LS: Cmp KinCat, Enh PG GR: [Empty] EQ: A-19 Scanner, [Empty] Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2345	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:35:00 - [19827] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: Pleaze newbz.... Go On Monk, Like. whut? Liked it anyway. Coz it's you Haha... me just making a joke about my take on what "GOML" meant a few pages back.... Looking forward to trying Charlie. Especially if there are less scrub scouts running around. Double posting like a Kaiser. Embracing the death, at Llast.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4020	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:49:00 - [19828] - Quote Knifing Vehicles: Blowback working as intended: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2309926#post2309926 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2913	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:03:00 - [19829] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Knifing Vehicles: Blowback working as intended: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2309926#post2309926 Worth it. Spotted someone attacking a friendly tank with Knives today. I was about to gun him down until I realised what he was doing. It was beautiful, looked like he was coordinating with a forger or two. The knife got the kill. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16898	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:04:00 - [19830] - Quote Started knifing. Couldn't stop. Began to dehydrate at PS3. Eventually dragged away by concerned butterflies. I think they were butterflies. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM



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