I think overall many things need to be reworked in terms of PG/CPU cost, and I would also like to see some variants of the cloak (or just active equipment in general).

Even so, since the cloak is a major draw for many players, as it is somewhat the Scout's signature feature, I think restricting it's use to new scouts isn't very good practice.

I'll run through the PvE here and there (mostly to upgrade my stuff easier)
Like I think a good bit of people will do, since u can progress stuff (weapons, suits, abilities) in PvE or PvP and can in turn use those things in ether game mode.

That PvP though, awwwww yeah.Fun as hell, looks like there is going to be 5 or 6 game modes from what I saw in the alpha I'd have to look at the footage to tell exactly. Only 1 game mode was in the alpha (domination) It was fast paced, accuracy mattered, vehicles being limited and easily destroyed, 1 of the maps in the alpha had a good mixture of long range/short range fighting (moon), 2nd map (earth) was just pretty much just cqc shotguns everywhere, weird bit was everyone being able to carry 3 weapons. Primary weapon, special weapon (shotgun, sniper rifle) heavy weapon (hmg, rockets) just the ones I saw in the alpha. They have weapon ammo drops to control how much the special weapons/heavy weapons are used, could see them tweaking that timer a bit more.

Yeah I'm just going to shut up and say I loved it. Like Halo bent Unreal Tournament over and had its way. Just sayin. XD
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1 last thing, for those who are getting the game
Codes that supposedly unlock content in the finished game.
Have to go on bungie.net and go to the code redemption page. Prolly just some kinda weapon skin or emblems for the player cards.

Warlock: YKA-RJG-MH9
Hunter: 3DA-P4X-F6A
Titan: MVD-4N3-NKH
Rixis: TCN-HCD-TGY
Old-Russia: HDX-ALM-V4K
Hive: 473-MXR-3X9
Moon: JMR-LFN-4A3
Gjallorhorn: HC3-H44-DKC
Duke MK.44: 69P-KRM-JJA
The Tower: 69P-VCH-337
The Hive: 69R-CKD-X7L
Valley of the Kings, Mars: 69R-DDD-FCP
The Fallen: 69R-F99-AXG
Red Death: 69R-VL7-J6A
The Cabal: 69X-DJN-74V
The Devastated Coast, Venus: 6A7-7NP-3X7
Vex Minotaur: 6A9-DTG-YGN

I think overall many things need to be reworked in terms of PG/CPU cost, and I would also like to see some variants of the cloak (or just active equipment in general).

Even so, since the cloak is a major draw for many players, as it is somewhat the Scout's signature feature, I think restricting it's use to new scouts isn't very good practice.

DPLAK!

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Well that's because you're saltier than the rim of a Margarita class, Appia.

I'm not saying you should be gimped for not using it, but for those who want to skill into scouts for the ability to cloak, I don't think they should be forced to wait. Not to mention the Standard Cloak may be useless to professional scouts such as yourself, but for a newer player wanting to try it out, its a big deal to them.

Not to mention if the STD Cloak is indeed "useless", there really is no harm in allowing its use early on.

The usefulness of the cloak aside, Id like like more feedback on the concept of the role bonus and if you forsee any issues this may cause.

The usefulness of the cloak aside, Id like like more feedback on the concept of the role bonus and if you forsee any issues this may cause.

Issue: It would cause the Light Frame to be A: The only skill that unlocks something to gain a bonus to something it doesn't unlock and B: The only Frame skill to require skilling into.

Well to clarify, what I'm working on would make all of the Frame Skills worth skilling into by making them give a bonus instead of being unlock only.

Well to clarify, what I'm working on would make all of the Frame Skills worth skilling into by making them give a bonus instead of being unlock only.

Right, gotcha. Makes sense.
Though, would it be possible for those bonuses to apply to all suits within that frame? So the Light one would affect Light's, Scouts, and the Pilot (if it existed) Rather than just affecting the scout.
And Heavy frame skill for the frames, Commandos and sentinels?

What I have planned is similar along those lines. Long term I'd like to reach a point where each frame is capable of unique fits that the Specialty suits are incapable of replicating, but without the specific role bonuses that Specialization offers. In order to do this, Frame suits need to have unique but powerful bonuses as well as slot and equipment setups that are different from their Specialty counterparts.

This assures that the Frame Suits may be preferable over specialty suits in some situations, and also gives you a reason to level them beyond level III, as the skill would still benefit the specialty suit in some way.

@ Pokey
If this is in fact necessary, then I'd recommend dropping PG/CPU requirements across the board prescribing a new Scout Bonus. I see little harm in letting everyone run cloak; it doesn't do much good unless you're appropriately dampened.

The general structure for the bonuses on specialty suits would be something like this (I plan to blatantly rip off the proposal you guys put together for scout bonus rework, I was very impressed overall and will of course give credit for your work).

Gallente Scout
Frame Bonus: +% Reduction to PG/CPU Cost of Cloaks / Lvl of Light Frames
Role Bonus: TBD (This would be shared across all Scouts) / Lvl of Scout Suits
Racial Bonus 1: +% Bonus to Dampeners (Unique to Race) / Lvl of Gallente Scouts
Racial Bonus 2: +% Bonus to Range Amps (Unique to Race) / Lvl of Gallente Scouts

all Specialty roles (Assault, Sentinel, ect.) would follow the same format.

What I have planned is similar along those lines. Long term I'd like to reach a point where each frame is capable of unique fits that the Specialty suits are incapable of replicating, but without the specific role bonuses that Specialization offers. In order to do this, Frame suits need to have unique but powerful bonuses as well as slot and equipment setups that are different from their Specialty counterparts.

This assures that the Frame Suits may be preferable over specialty suits in some situations, and also gives you a reason to level them beyond level III, as the skill would still benefit the specialty suit in some way.

The general structure for the bonuses on specialty suits would be something like this (I plan to blatantly rip off the proposal you guys put together for scout bonus rework, I was very impressed overall and will of course give credit for your work).

Gallente Scout
Frame Bonus: +% Reduction to PG/CPU Cost of Cloaks / Lvl of Light Frames
Role Bonus: TBD (This would be shared across all Scouts) / Lvl of Scout Suits
Racial Bonus 1: +% Bonus to Dampeners (Unique to Race) / Lvl of Gallente Scouts
Racial Bonus 2: +% Bonus to Range Amps (Unique to Race) / Lvl of Gallente Scouts

all Specialty roles (Assault, Sentinel, ect.) would follow the same format.

I like the idea, I'm cautious of the actual bonus suggested.

Gallente Scout
Frame Bonus: +% Reduction to PG/CPU Cost of Cloaks / Lvl of Light Frames
Role Bonus: TBD (This would be shared across all Scouts) / Lvl of Scout Suits
Racial Bonus 1: +% Bonus to Dampeners (Unique to Race) / Lvl of Gallente Scouts
Racial Bonus 2: +% Bonus to Range Amps (Unique to Race) / Lvl of Gallente Scouts

all Specialty roles (Assault, Sentinel, ect.) would follow the same format.

Gotcha. Very much in favor of greater specialization / investment / SP requirements for Scouts. Requiring us to put two more points into Light Frames would be fine; most -- if not all -- of us switched trees at Level(3). Many of us are running out of things to spend SP on.

So... Frame just become greater SP tax. Still no reason to run it, now making people get it to lvl 5 to max out suit performance

Gotcha. Very much in favor of greater specialization / investment / SP requirements for Scouts. Requiring us to put two more points into Light Frames would be fine; most -- if not all -- of us switched trees at Level(3). Many of us are running out of things to spend SP on.

The point is, you're putting in an unessaary SP tax in because you want Frames to be useful and a reason to skill into them. Make them useful to the point people want to bring them past 3 before you add arbitrary SP taxes, specifically to a suit that is very difficult to use as a low-SP character