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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:59:00 -
[50041] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Joel II X wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Don't know if I mentioned but I skilled Cal Scout to 3 like a month ago. Can confirm the Minja is better.
I had Gal Scout at 4 many, many months ago. Minja was still better then.
Haven't run Amarr Scout.
Bear in mind that I've run my Minja in all situations, pubs, FW and PC. The Minja is just a fantastic suit, and excels at everything relevant. This is what I meant lol. The Gallente can achieve levels of competition above the Minmatar all because of the greater lows, regen, health, and damp bonus. The Gallente can catch up in hacking with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can catch in speed with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can gather both more health and regen. Margin is slightly larger. The Gallente can damp better, with less modules. Large margin. Better fitting space. Gallente is capable of better precision, without the cost of your main tank. Worse at knife damage, with a large margin. The pros far outweigh the ones that the Minmatar have. Your anecdotes don't actually confirm anything here. As for the Caldari, I'm not too sure. The Minmatar has a better slot layout, but the Caldari have better everything else. What would musturd say? "doesn't matter what suit I use. I'll still knife you. You know what, I'll use militia everything and I'll still knife you." Something along those lines. That was a rhetorical question...
I think.
Under contract by the Amarr Empire // Needs to send APEX to George
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 03:35:00 -
[50042] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Joel II X wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Joel II X wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Don't know if I mentioned but I skilled Cal Scout to 3 like a month ago. Can confirm the Minja is better.
I had Gal Scout at 4 many, many months ago. Minja was still better then.
Haven't run Amarr Scout.
Bear in mind that I've run my Minja in all situations, pubs, FW and PC. The Minja is just a fantastic suit, and excels at everything relevant. This is what I meant lol. The Gallente can achieve levels of competition above the Minmatar all because of the greater lows, regen, health, and damp bonus. The Gallente can catch up in hacking with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can catch in speed with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can gather both more health and regen. Margin is slightly larger. The Gallente can damp better, with less modules. Large margin. Better fitting space. Gallente is capable of better precision, without the cost of your main tank. Worse at knife damage, with a large margin. The pros far outweigh the ones that the Minmatar have. Your anecdotes don't actually confirm anything here. As for the Caldari, I'm not too sure. The Minmatar has a better slot layout, but the Caldari have better everything else. What would musturd say? "doesn't matter what suit I use. I'll still knife you. You know what, I'll use militia everything and I'll still knife you." Something along those lines. That was a rhetorical question... I think. Yes, but you wrote that because he uses a Minja with knives, so you wanted to add more anecdotes.
I countered that by adding that he'd knife anyone, no matter which suit, or tier, he's using.
Then again, he's no god, either.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2015.11.13 03:55:00 -
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No one person is a God, Joel, you are right. But musturd is another class of his own in this game. He doesn't even try, all he does is have fun, and when the fun stops, he stops.
You guys ever see the video Smile HD on youtube? That is how I picture musturd. Smiling through the battlefield, even possible some tears in his eyes. I see musturd as the embodiment of fun. Capable of oblitering through legions with just his knives.
There is only one musturd, no other merc is like him. There are those that look up to him as a model, and try to emulate him, but there is only one musturd. |
CaP XZ
70
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Posted - 2015.11.13 06:15:00 -
[50044] - Quote
KingThunderBolt is a pretty good knifer.....
Musturd would say: bring your x fit, I'll still wreck you with my y & z fit any day scrub.
Y & z normally being scr pistol & knives
alt of zor (biomassed)
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2015.11.13 07:30:00 -
[50045] - Quote
CaP XZ wrote:KingThunderBolt is a pretty good knifer.....
Musturd would say: bring your x fit, I'll still wreck you with my y & z fit any day scrub.
Y & z normally being scr pistol & knives
Musturd does love that scp.
And KTB is not a good anything, he is worse than me, and heimy. |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.11.13 09:04:00 -
[50046] - Quote
I have six scout fits for PC. Five are Gallente, one is Minmatar. Haven't used the Minmatar fit in PC for a while though. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 10:42:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:CaP XZ wrote:KingThunderBolt is a pretty good knifer.....
Musturd would say: bring your x fit, I'll still wreck you with my y & z fit any day scrub.
Y & z normally being scr pistol & knives Musturd does love that scp. And KTB is not a good anything, he is worse than me, and heimy. It was a joke. The KTB thing.
I just mentioned that he is no god because the are a few who worship him like one. It's a shame I've only had 2 matches with him. Can't remember actually SEEING him, though. Sneaky little bastard lol
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Matticus Monk
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:52:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote: One thing I remember from the 1.0 - 1.7 Uprising (?) days, was that, even considering how few scouts there were ( 5-10%?), 80% of those were Gal scouts. And of those, many chose the role because of knifing. Removal of the bonus not only minimizes the utility of the Minmatar Scout, but it erases it's identity.
And I think this is what CCP's vision of the game is all about. Each racial suit has it's specialty. In terms of scouts the Min is the knifer, the Gallente is the ghost, the Amarr is (supposed to be?) the scout hunter and the Cal is the ranged scout.
If profile is normalized at 30db across the board and the racial bonus profile to Gal/Cal is removed then the Gallente looses it's identity in one sense and yet the Min retain's it's focus. Giving the Amarr a pistol bonus makes it a well rounded pistoleer and the Caldari could still be considered the scan range king with it's racial bonus but then what to do about the Gallente, it becomes the scout hunter with the precision bonus? I guess this is one way to do it.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.11.13 19:00:00 -
[50049] - Quote
The original vision for the Gal scout was passive scanning. It's original unique bonus was scan range.
The original vision for the Min scout was close combat. It's bonus was melee and knife damage.
The vision for all scouts was to be Ghosts. Before Am and Cal scouts, both Min and Gal scouts had equal profile bonuses. |
Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2015.11.13 19:15:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:CaP XZ wrote:KingThunderBolt is a pretty good knifer.....
Musturd would say: bring your x fit, I'll still wreck you with my y & z fit any day scrub.
Y & z normally being scr pistol & knives Musturd does love that scp. And KTB is not a good anything, he is worse than me, and heimy. It was a joke. The KTB thing. I just mentioned that he is no god because the are a few who worship him like one. It's a shame I've only had 2 matches with him. Can't remember actually SEEING him, though. Sneaky little bastard lol Nooooooo, it was a joke? I had no idea!
I have had a good few, most of it was back in beta though where he was on the opposing side, only recently have I squadded with him. |
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 19:16:00 -
[50051] - Quote
If Range Amp buff goes through, I still think the Amarr should keep its precision bonus.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 19:18:00 -
[50052] - Quote
Kid Chilled wrote:Joel II X wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:CaP XZ wrote:KingThunderBolt is a pretty good knifer.....
Musturd would say: bring your x fit, I'll still wreck you with my y & z fit any day scrub.
Y & z normally being scr pistol & knives Musturd does love that scp. And KTB is not a good anything, he is worse than me, and heimy. It was a joke. The KTB thing. I just mentioned that he is no god because the are a few who worship him like one. It's a shame I've only had 2 matches with him. Can't remember actually SEEING him, though. Sneaky little bastard lol Nooooooo, it was a joke? I had no idea! I have had a good few, most of it was back in beta though where he was on the opposing side, only recently have I squadded with him. Your replied gave me the impression that it went over your head. Not sure if your reply was even meant to be a joke to continue it. Didn't seem like it. I don't think I can even apply Poe's Law here.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2015.11.13 19:26:00 -
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You should know by now not to take me serious, unless i am indeed being serious. When I am talking about scouts; serious. When I am scolding the riff raff for fighting in the BS; serious. When I am talking about tacos; extra cheese serious. The rest are laid back with hints of confusing serious undertone.
GD changes a man...it is hard to stop...but this bad bad time has given me a chance to calm down. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.13 21:20:00 -
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This is the problem with trying to balance around broken systems, and why I loathe the idea of even having to discuss it.
The original fixes were broad, cumbersome, and had as many roles suffering from collateral damage as they "fixed." Amarr has a crap bonus because range extenders had to be nerfed because of the EWAR circles. We can't flat suggest a buff to range extenders without taking the Amarr from UP to OP, and further eroding the balance.
Many of the changes that we need should have little to do with actual scouts, and it is one reason I am reluctant to let go of the knives.
I just feel like CCP has started painting itself into a corner.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.13 21:35:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:One Eyed King wrote: One thing I remember from the 1.0 - 1.7 Uprising (?) days, was that, even considering how few scouts there were ( 5-10%?), 80% of those were Gal scouts. And of those, many chose the role because of knifing. Removal of the bonus not only minimizes the utility of the Minmatar Scout, but it erases it's identity.
And I think this is what CCP's vision of the game is all about. Each racial suit has it's specialty. In terms of scouts the Min is the knifer, the Gallente is the ghost, the Amarr is (supposed to be?) the scout hunter and the Cal is the ranged scout. If profile is normalized at 30db across the board and the racial bonus profile to Gal/Cal is removed then the Gallente looses it's identity in one sense and yet the Min retain's it's focus. Giving the Amarr a pistol bonus makes it a well rounded pistoleer and the Caldari could still be considered the scan range king with it's racial bonus but then what to do about the Gallente, it becomes the scout hunter with the precision bonus? I guess this is one way to do it. I, personally, have never had a problem with the Gal scouts identity. And while I would have no qualms with making the bonus class wide, I also have no problem with finding other ways of balance.
For example, we don't have class wide HP, or speed stats. Are there other base stats we can change? Could we make dampening a scout wide bonus while also reducing the base profile of the Gal scouts by 4 or 5 dB so they still retain that advantage and identity? Would that make them OP? Would that be considered an extra bonus?
I can't say I have all the answers, but I would hate to use a nuclear option before it was absolutely necessary, with any scout race, or any class in general.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:23:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:This is the problem with trying to balance around broken systems, and why I loathe the idea of even having to discuss it.
The original fixes were broad, cumbersome, and had as many roles suffering from collateral damage as they "fixed." Amarr has a crap bonus because range extenders had to be nerfed because of the EWAR circles. We can't flat suggest a buff to range extenders without taking the Amarr from UP to OP, and further eroding the balance.
Many of the changes that we need should have little to do with actual scouts, and it is one reason I am reluctant to let go of the knives.
I just feel like CCP has started painting itself into a corner. I don't think Amarr Scouts would ever be OP, unless a Range Amp have 50% range each. They sacrifice dampening, health, and biotic use with each Amp they use.
The highs should always have a Precision Enhancer, so those don't count.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:25:00 -
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I had a dream, and I think I want to be a scout sniper.
Under contract by the Amarr Empire // Needs to send APEX to George
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:26:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:I had a dream, and I think I want to be a scout sniper. You're gonna have a bad time.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:27:00 -
[50059] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:I had a dream, and I think I want to be a scout sniper. You're gonna have a bad time. Pain is weakness leaving the body
Under contract by the Amarr Empire // Needs to send APEX to George
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:30:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:I had a dream, and I think I want to be a scout sniper. Get out. |
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:31:00 -
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Dust is a disease and we are all infected.
Symptoms include
- irritability
- Delusions not based on reality and of feelings of granduer.
- Disorganized speech. Ranting.
- Mood swings
- Withdrawal from friends and family
- A drop in performance at school
- Trouble sleeping
- Irritability or depressed mood
- Lack of motivation
But relax. I have the cure. I have it with me. Safe.
Butter my button and call it a biscuit.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:32:00 -
[50062] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Joel II X wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:I had a dream, and I think I want to be a scout sniper. You're gonna have a bad time. Pain is weakness leaving the body Unfortunately for you, that will not apply.
It'll be a quick and painless death.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:33:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Dust is a disease and we are all infected. Symptoms include
- irritability
- Delusions not based on reality and of feelings of granduer.
- Disorganized speech. Ranting.
- Mood swings
- Withdrawal from friends and family
- A drop in performance at school
- Trouble sleeping
- Irritability or depressed mood
- Lack of motivation
But relax. I have the cure. I have it with me. Safe. How can we trust you when show all of these symptoms amongst many others?
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:34:00 -
[50064] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Dust is a disease and we are all infected. Symptoms include
- irritability
- Delusions not based on reality and of feelings of granduer.
- Disorganized speech. Ranting.
- Mood swings
- Withdrawal from friends and family
- A drop in performance at school
- Trouble sleeping
- Irritability or depressed mood
- Lack of motivation
But relax. I have the cure. I have it with me. Safe. How can we trust you when show all of these symptoms amongst many others? You just have to let go and trust. Have faith. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:34:00 -
[50065] - Quote
Joel II X wrote: I don't think Amarr Scouts would ever be OP, unless a Range Amp have 50% range each. They sacrifice dampening, health, and biotic use with each Amp they use.
The highs should always have a Precision Enhancer, so those don't count.
Really?
Maybe not as lone wolfs, but you look at PC where passive scans are shared, and I would be willing to bet they have one or two Amarr with maxed range and precision sharing anything but dampened scouts within an 80 m radius with several team members watching its back and killing anything that shows up.
Add to that 10 - 15 m of range where even the most dampened scouts can't beat, and now you have eliminated the Alpha weapons of SGs and NKs from being serious threats.
I could be wrong, but there would certainly be the capacity for over performance with simple Range buffs without making additional changes like a flat inner ring ceiling or something else.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:35:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Dust is a disease and we are all infected. Symptoms include
- irritability
- Delusions not based on reality and of feelings of granduer.
- Disorganized speech. Ranting.
- Mood swings
- Withdrawal from friends and family
- A drop in performance at school
- Trouble sleeping
- Irritability or depressed mood
- Lack of motivation
But relax. I have the cure. I have it with me. Safe. I take it irritability is a side effect?
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Immortal John Ripper
29
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:35:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Dust is a disease and we are all infected. Symptoms include
- irritability
- Delusions not based on reality and of feelings of granduer.
- Disorganized speech. Ranting.
- Mood swings
- Withdrawal from friends and family
- A drop in performance at school
- Trouble sleeping
- Irritability or depressed mood
- Lack of motivation
But relax. I have the cure. I have it with me. Safe. How can we trust you when show all of these symptoms amongst many others? you can choose to trust me now or trust me afterwards when your suffering becomes way too much to bear and you've got nothing left to lose. Your choice.
Butter my button and call it a biscuit.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:37:00 -
[50068] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:Joel II X wrote: I don't think Amarr Scouts would ever be OP, unless a Range Amp have 50% range each. They sacrifice dampening, health, and biotic use with each Amp they use.
The highs should always have a Precision Enhancer, so those don't count.
Really? Maybe not as lone wolfs, but you look at PC where passive scans are shared, and I would be willing to bet they have one or two Amarr with maxed range and precision sharing anything but dampened scouts within an 80 m radius with several team members watching its back and killing anything that shows up. Add to that 10 - 15 m of range where even the most dampened scouts can't beat, and now you have eliminated the Alpha weapons of SGs and NKs from being serious threats. I could be wrong, but there would certainly be the capacity for over performance with simple Range buffs without making additional changes like a flat inner ring ceiling or something else. Didn't think of that. I have a line wolf mentality.
Still, though. I don't think a 35% at PRO as proposed would turn them into beacons spanning a whole large socket.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:38:00 -
[50069] - Quote
Immortal John Ripper wrote:Joel II X wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Dust is a disease and we are all infected. Symptoms include
- irritability
- Delusions not based on reality and of feelings of granduer.
- Disorganized speech. Ranting.
- Mood swings
- Withdrawal from friends and family
- A drop in performance at school
- Trouble sleeping
- Irritability or depressed mood
- Lack of motivation
But relax. I have the cure. I have it with me. Safe. How can we trust you when show all of these symptoms amongst many others? you can choose to trust me now or trust me afterwards when your suffering becomes way too much to bear and you've got nothing left to lose. Your choice. Bacon is my only medicine.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Immortal John Ripper
29
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:39:00 -
[50070] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Joel II X wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Dust is a disease and we are all infected. Symptoms include
- irritability
- Delusions not based on reality and of feelings of granduer.
- Disorganized speech. Ranting.
- Mood swings
- Withdrawal from friends and family
- A drop in performance at school
- Trouble sleeping
- Irritability or depressed mood
- Lack of motivation
But relax. I have the cure. I have it with me. Safe. How can we trust you when show all of these symptoms amongst many others? you can choose to trust me now or trust me afterwards when your suffering becomes way too much to bear and you've got nothing left to lose. Your choice. Bacon is my only medicine.
have a bite
Butter my button and call it a biscuit.
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