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Matticus Monk
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.12 20:45:00 -
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BTW - I edited my post. There is actual design content for King and Dunc (and anyone interested) on the previous page now.....
Shotty style retro-active stealth EDIT! |
xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.11.12 20:46:00 -
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How many of you were clicking refresh on one screen with a post ready on the other....?
*raises hand slowly*
xavier zor's alt
how to drop 35 orbital strikes in 1 minute
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Matticus Monk
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.11.12 20:48:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote: Yeah secretly monk is mine...I rammed up to 49990 using blaze as well
I have such confidence in myself and my brothers that I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that no one here (that matters) will believe this. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
5
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Posted - 2015.11.12 20:48:00 -
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reserved for reasons
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.12 21:06:00 -
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I did it
Under contract by the Amarr Empire // Needs to send APEX to George
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
5
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Posted - 2015.11.12 21:10:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:I did it
You're not all there are you. I mean - why bother to replace spam with spam? It makes no sense. Please stop - you're hurting my brain.
I wish noob were here to give you a special put down
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.12 21:11:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:I did it You're not all there are you. I mean - why bother to replace spam with spam? It makes no sense. Please stop - you're hurting my brain. I wish noob were here to give you a special put down Pi is technically not spam.
Under contract by the Amarr Empire // Needs to send APEX to George
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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CaP XZ
65
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:01:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:@Monk It ruins my chill and my zen, not even pot fixes it. I need to find that innermost zen, bust out the heavy artillery.
@Zor STAR WARS IS STEALING ME AWAAAAY! And Mockingjay Part 2, and The Scorch Trials. Mostly Star Wars, I am like super hyped, my jitters have the jitters.
I love it how they teased us with a new vader and light saber. Luke = darth vader 2.0
alt of zor (biomassed)
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:03:00 -
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Thanks Monk for quoting me onto the special page (for special people).
As for bonuses, we could remove the hack bonus and keep knives how they are. That would kind of suck though.
Or you could keep knives and hacks and give all scouts a sidearm bonus (maybe).
Gallente - ion pistol overheat recovery / dispersion.
Caldari - bolt pistol charge time / rate of fire.
Amarr - scrambler pistol reload and headshots.
No longer really a simple solution however. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:10:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Yay I'm on the 2500th page!
Hello future Dreis!
Why didn't you organise the strike better?!?!?!? It's a boycott. Not a strike. He actually used it correctly after I told him the first time, then he went and reverted back to strike.
So he knows, and we know he knows, he just chooses to use the wrong term, for whatever reason.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:12:00 -
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CaP XZ wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:@Monk It ruins my chill and my zen, not even pot fixes it. I need to find that innermost zen, bust out the heavy artillery.
@Zor STAR WARS IS STEALING ME AWAAAAY! And Mockingjay Part 2, and The Scorch Trials. Mostly Star Wars, I am like super hyped, my jitters have the jitters. I love it how they teased us with a new vader and light saber. Luke = darth vader 2.0 Don't you dare start posting spoilers!!
I have tried very hard to avoid any and all Star Wars info, because frankly I don't need to get sold on it to know I am going to see the movie.
I want to walk in, with no preconceived notions, and just enjoy the movie, for whatever it is, and be surprised when I am supposed to be surprised, not get angry for knowing I was supposed to be surprised but people can't help but spoil things.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:13:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:I did it You're not all there are you. I mean - why bother to replace spam with spam? It makes no sense. Please stop - you're hurting my brain. I wish noob were here to give you a special put down And by special, he means very colorful, and full of spelling and grammatical errors only noob can create.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Immortal John Ripper
29
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:17:00 -
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I miss IWS. He was like the shaft of dust.
Butter my button and call it a biscuit.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:21:00 -
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I edited my last post, but forgot I was editing and thought I just hadn't posted it yet. Now people have liked it but I can't remember what it said when they hit like. Hopefully I didn't change it much. Sorry if I did. |
Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:30:00 -
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Must stay zen...must stay zen...must stay zen....must stay zen...don't disrespect this pathetic inconsiderate plebe that makes you want to strangle the life out of his degraded corpse....BLAZE I AM GOING TO DESTROY YOU...you ****** up my ipad with that disgusting shite.
@Zor I am going to be a little mad if they do that but whatevs lmao. It is becoming more and more obvious that they are going to do that though, i just want to see the new jedi shine. |
Immortal John Ripper
29
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:32:00 -
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Time is moving so slowly for me.
Butter my button and call it a biscuit.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:35:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:You don't think the Min scout's superior speed, stamina, and shield regen would be enough to balance it against a Gal scout's superior hp and passive scans?
No.
When you are at 200 ish HP, shield don't mean sh*t.
It is like the recent shield buff. Adding a few points to the threshold was purely academic, since you have to be quite a distance further than the effective range of a weapon for it to matter.
Likewise, I rarely survive being fired upon, because HP is so low.
Again, look at the Amarr. Has better Stamina and HP than the Gal, but no one runs it, because you may as well go either Gal Scout, or Assault. The bonus may be unique, but it is so ineffective that it doesn't make up for it's shortcomings.
The only way Minmatar would have any role in your scenario would be if Precision were to matter again, in which case it could use it's superior number of High Slots as leverage, yet a Precision bonus was added to Gal, which negates the advantage, so again, Minmatar would be inferior.
Firstly, again, because with the number of Lows on a Gal, they can hack and run reasonably well relative to Minjas, with more HP. Secondly, because when hacking, Precision and awareness are important to prevent yourself from being snuck up on, in which case the edge goes to Gal.
The only way to do it would even begin to give us a role, would be to ensure that hacking speed margins between us and others were significant enough to make people want it. But let's face it, hacking is a more niche role than knifing, and if someone had to choose a suit that hacked the average speed, but could do other things, and a suit that could hack really really fast, and do not much else, people are going to choose the former.
One thing I remember from the 1.0 - 1.7 Uprising (?) days, was that, even considering how few scouts there were ( 5-10%?), 80% of those were Gal scouts. And of those, many chose the role because of knifing. Removal of the bonus not only minimizes the utility of the Minmatar Scout, but it erases it's identity.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:38:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:Must stay zen...must stay zen...must stay zen....must stay zen...don't disrespect this pathetic inconsiderate plebe that makes you want to strangle the life out of his degraded corpse....BLAZE I AM GOING TO DESTROY YOU...you ****** up my ipad with that disgusting shite.
@Zor I am going to be a little mad if they do that but whatevs lmao. It is becoming more and more obvious that they are going to do that though, i just want to see the new jedi shine. <3
Under contract by the Amarr Empire // Needs to send APEX to George
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Immortal John Ripper
29
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:41:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:Must stay zen...must stay zen...must stay zen....must stay zen...don't disrespect this pathetic inconsiderate plebe that makes you want to strangle the life out of his degraded corpse....BLAZE I AM GOING TO DESTROY YOU...you ****** up my ipad with that disgusting shite.
@Zor I am going to be a little mad if they do that but whatevs lmao. It is becoming more and more obvious that they are going to do that though, i just want to see the new jedi shine.
Stay zen bro. Do you know anything about Zen Buddhism?
It might help you with your anger issues. Either that or you could start smoking that dank chronic.
Butter my button and call it a biscuit.
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:42:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:Must stay zen...must stay zen...must stay zen....must stay zen...don't disrespect this pathetic inconsiderate plebe that makes you want to strangle the life out of his degraded corpse....BLAZE I AM GOING TO DESTROY YOU...you ****** up my ipad with that disgusting shite.
@Zor I am going to be a little mad if they do that but whatevs lmao. It is becoming more and more obvious that they are going to do that though, i just want to see the new jedi shine. <3 <3
Butter my button and call it a biscuit.
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:43:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:Must stay zen...must stay zen...must stay zen....must stay zen...don't disrespect this pathetic inconsiderate plebe that makes you want to strangle the life out of his degraded corpse....BLAZE I AM GOING TO DESTROY YOU...you ****** up my ipad with that disgusting shite.
@Zor I am going to be a little mad if they do that but whatevs lmao. It is becoming more and more obvious that they are going to do that though, i just want to see the new jedi shine. <3 No! NO! Screw you! I take my heart back! |
CaP XZ
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Posted - 2015.11.12 22:45:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:I miss IWS. He was like the shaft of dust.
I miss spike....and gav
alt of zor (biomassed)
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:14:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:You don't think the Min scout's superior speed, stamina, and shield regen would be enough to balance it against a Gal scout's superior hp and passive scans?
No. When you are at 200 ish HP, shield don't mean sh*t. It is like the recent shield buff. Adding a few points to the threshold was purely academic, since you have to be quite a distance further than the effective range of a weapon for it to matter. Likewise, I rarely survive being fired upon, because HP is so low. Again, look at the Amarr. Has better Stamina and HP than the Gal, but no one runs it, because you may as well go either Gal Scout, or Assault. The bonus may be unique, but it is so ineffective that it doesn't make up for it's shortcomings. The only way Minmatar would have any role in your scenario would be if Precision were to matter again, in which case it could use it's superior number of High Slots as leverage, yet a Precision bonus was added to Gal, which negates the advantage, so again, Minmatar would be inferior. Firstly, again, because with the number of Lows on a Gal, they can hack and run reasonably well relative to Minjas, with more HP. Secondly, because when hacking, Precision and awareness are important to prevent yourself from being snuck up on, in which case the edge goes to Gal. The only way to do it would even begin to give us a role, would be to ensure that hacking speed margins between us and others were significant enough to make people want it. But let's face it, hacking is a more niche role than knifing, and if someone had to choose a suit that hacked the average speed, but could do other things, and a suit that could hack really really fast, and do not much else, people are going to choose the former. One thing I remember from the 1.0 - 1.7 Uprising (?) days, was that, even considering how few scouts there were ( 5-10%?), 80% of those were Gal scouts. And of those, many chose the role because of knifing. Removal of the bonus not only minimizes the utility of the Minmatar Scout, but it erases it's identity. I'm with you on identity, but I'm not sure I follow your other reasoning. Or perhaps I just disagree.
Are you saying the Gal scout would be better at hacking because of it's passive scans? I'm not sure about that. Most speed hacking takes place when cloaked. I appreciate that some awareness can be helpful, but in crunch situations, such as PC, no passive scanning is going to save you when hacking. It's generally better to be cloaked to give you that extra half second it may take for an enemy to target you, meaning your passive scans are not being utilised. A third codebreaker on a Gal scout would not push it's hack speed beyond a two codebreaker min scout.
As for the passive scan bonus aiding in combat, yes I can see how it would give the Gal scout a slight edge over the Min. However, with the state of scanning in the game at the moment I find it unlikely that this will be a large factor. How many people currently sing praises about the Amarr scout's passive scans?
If hp and regen is not important to scouts (an idea I would challenge), surely the Min scout's greater mobility would be of some value?
OK, the Min scout still has the problem of low PG whilst relying on PG intensive modules. My suggestion was intended to improve the situation. It depends what your goal for the suit is.
If you want to use the Min scout to be the best knifer, the current situation is best. If you want the Min scout to be a scout, my suggested changes would be best. But you would no longer be best at knifing (although better than now). |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:39:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Yeah not saying I wouldn't run knives on a Minmatar, just that I wouldn't have a reason to run Minmatar over one of the others coz I don't care for the hacking bonus over others. Others that run it for the hacking bonus will still run it. I also count the min speed as a bonus in my book, but the difference between other suits is not enough to use hacking over a different one, so YMMV.
All in all I think having the same baseline for the most important stats (profile) for scouts makes a lot of sense, and it's how it used to be anyway.
This is precisely the point. If knives are equally effective, there is no point to the Minja. You can say what you want about speed hacks, but with all the Low Slots, Gal Scouts can fit enough CBs to hack fast enough. The marginal difference between Gal hacks and Min hacks would not be worth it, in just the same way speed differences are largely irrelevant. You would turn the Min Scout into what the Amarr scout is currently. A scout with unique bonuses no one wants because they can do well enough on the other scouts, plus have advantages Minmatar don't. And considering Minmatar have much less HP, you may as well delete the suit and save the reasources. It is not unprecedented for suits to have weapons bonuses. There are bonuses to AR, swarms, Lasers, Scramlers, things that go boom etc. Tl; Dr Removing the knife bonus and giving it to everyone effectively kills the Minja. Scouts DO have the same baseline dB. Just, Cal and Gal have a bonus towards it.
Minmatar suits have an innate faster gaming bonus on the suit itself. Meaning, a 'Neo' Scout M-I with 0 skills would still hack faster than any other scout with 0 skills. The bonus +3 mods is slightly better than a Gal/Am w/4 mods because of that innate bonus and the fact that the bonus doesn't receive a stacking penalty.
I wouldn't like having a ScP bonus on the Amarr Scout. I really like the precision bonus. If the Range Amp buff goes through, the should be an even bigger reason why it shouldn't change. Let the Amarr be a shiny beacon of light to detect heathens.
Other than that, in mostly all for the purposed changes.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
8
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:42:00 -
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Min Scout best Scout, always. <3
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:51:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Min Scout best Scout, always. <3 I'd disagree, but you'd start spouting nonsense.
Minmatar Scout is the most fun, however. Or is it the Caldari with all DAT RANGE?
I've recently skilling up relevant skills to the Minja. Ready to get the suit up to V again.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
8
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:54:00 -
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Don't know if I mentioned but I skilled Cal Scout to 3 like a month ago. Can confirm the Minja is better.
I had Gal Scout at 4 many, many months ago. Minja was still better then.
Haven't run Amarr Scout.
Bear in mind that I've run my Minja in all situations, pubs, FW and PC. The Minja is just a fantastic suit, and excels at everything relevant.
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:52:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Don't know if I mentioned but I skilled Cal Scout to 3 like a month ago. Can confirm the Minja is better.
I had Gal Scout at 4 many, many months ago. Minja was still better then.
Haven't run Amarr Scout.
Bear in mind that I've run my Minja in all situations, pubs, FW and PC. The Minja is just a fantastic suit, and excels at everything relevant. This is what I meant lol. The Gallente can achieve levels of competition above the Minmatar all because of the greater lows, regen, health, and damp bonus.
The Gallente can catch up in hacking with a very narrow margin.
The Gallente can catch in speed with a very narrow margin.
The Gallente can gather both more health and regen. Margin is slightly larger.
The Gallente can damp better, with less modules. Large margin.
Better fitting space.
Gallente is capable of better precision, without the cost of your main tank.
Worse at knife damage, with a large margin.
The pros far outweigh the ones that the Minmatar have.
Your anecdotes don't actually confirm anything here.
As for the Caldari, I'm not too sure. The Minmatar has a better slot layout, but the Caldari have better everything else.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:53:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Don't know if I mentioned but I skilled Cal Scout to 3 like a month ago. Can confirm the Minja is better.
I had Gal Scout at 4 many, many months ago. Minja was still better then.
Haven't run Amarr Scout.
Bear in mind that I've run my Minja in all situations, pubs, FW and PC. The Minja is just a fantastic suit, and excels at everything relevant. This is what I meant lol. The Gallente can achieve levels of competition above the Minmatar all because of the greater lows, regen, health, and damp bonus. The Gallente can catch up in hacking with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can catch in speed with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can gather both more health and regen. Margin is slightly larger. The Gallente can damp better, with less modules. Large margin. Better fitting space. Gallente is capable of better precision, without the cost of your main tank. Worse at knife damage, with a large margin. The pros far outweigh the ones that the Minmatar have. Your anecdotes don't actually confirm anything here. As for the Caldari, I'm not too sure. The Minmatar has a better slot layout, but the Caldari have better everything else. What would musturd say?
Under contract by the Amarr Empire // Needs to send APEX to George
Amarr Commando Forever
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:58:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Joel II X wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Don't know if I mentioned but I skilled Cal Scout to 3 like a month ago. Can confirm the Minja is better.
I had Gal Scout at 4 many, many months ago. Minja was still better then.
Haven't run Amarr Scout.
Bear in mind that I've run my Minja in all situations, pubs, FW and PC. The Minja is just a fantastic suit, and excels at everything relevant. This is what I meant lol. The Gallente can achieve levels of competition above the Minmatar all because of the greater lows, regen, health, and damp bonus. The Gallente can catch up in hacking with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can catch in speed with a very narrow margin. The Gallente can gather both more health and regen. Margin is slightly larger. The Gallente can damp better, with less modules. Large margin. Better fitting space. Gallente is capable of better precision, without the cost of your main tank. Worse at knife damage, with a large margin. The pros far outweigh the ones that the Minmatar have. Your anecdotes don't actually confirm anything here. As for the Caldari, I'm not too sure. The Minmatar has a better slot layout, but the Caldari have better everything else. What would musturd say? "doesn't matter what suit I use. I'll still knife you. You know what, I'll use militia everything and I'll still knife you."
Something along those lines.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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