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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.07 20:15:00 -
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@Shotty
Willful laziness! I am tired! iPad fucks up on Protofits bruh. Can you quote the stats again? 
CCP is slipping. *******, ****** and ****, all censored, but fucks? Nope.
Until Lambs Become Lions
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.07 20:20:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
I think I'm following, and I see no reason not to also introduce a Type C Cloak if we're entertaining the prospect of a Type B Cloak:
Type A - large duration, small profile bonus
Type B - small duration, large profile bonus
Type C - large duration, large profile bonus, no cloak field effect
^ Is that what you have in mind, Llast?
Would the Type C cloak not be simply superior to both types A and B in all situations if these statements held true?
Depends on who you ask, I'd imagine. Some will tell you that shimmer is so obvious that cloaking does more harm than good. Others will tell you that cloak bestows upon its user complete invisibility. A Type C Cloak wouldn't cloak the user at all; it would instead serve as an "Active Dampener", reducing the user's scan profile for a finite duration (and doing nothing else).
I personally think there's benefit to the cloak field effect, though it is highly situational and (in most settings) easily spotted if you're looking for it. I can definitely see uses for Type C (dark maps, for instance) but I can also see myself using still using A and possibly B (depending upon its stats).
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.07 20:25:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:Can you quote the stats again?
Google Doc: Active Scan Stats
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.07 20:28:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
I think I'm following, and I see no reason not to also introduce a Type C Cloak if we're entertaining the prospect of a Type B Cloak:
Type A - large duration, small profile bonus
Type B - small duration, large profile bonus
Type C - large duration, large profile bonus, no cloak field effect
^ Is that what you have in mind, Llast?
Would the Type C cloak not be simply superior to both types A and B in all situations if these statements held true? I believe so. And to truly be superior, It should have 50% dampening bonus instead of the proposed 40%. Truly make the Girl Scout transcendent. It shall exist outside of the meta. Free from the clutches of it's tyranny. This is a joke, it would be OP af, i propose possibly a 35% damp bonus, because people could see 40% being OP and cry like babies for nerfs.
I don't think you guys are understanding what Llast is asking for. He wants a piece of equipment that temporarily reduces scan profile. Zero cloak effect. I think.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Spademan
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Posted - 2015.11.07 21:43:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I remain convinced that I am the only person who knows the value of the Cloak Field. I remain convinced that you are a bad.
You shouldn't need convincing.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.11.07 22:27:00 -
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I just like to jump around with agimus massdrivers XD
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.11.07 22:31:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:I just like to jump around with agimus massdrivers XD
^ D!ck.
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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Radiant Pancake3
KILL-EM-QUICK
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 22:42:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:I just like to jump around with agimus missdrillers XD
FTFY
Learned the ways of N4g from Alcina's mom
Deemed the most Kinkiest Corp Mate.
Min Loyalist.
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.11.07 22:44:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:noob cavman wrote:I just like to jump around with agimus massdrivers XD ^ D!ck.
<3
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.11.07 23:32:00 -
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Noob, I did not write no sissy ass vampire book. I despise your sig.
Until Lambs Become Lions
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.11.07 23:41:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:Noob, I did not write no sissy ass vampire book. I despise your sig.
andy remic
Educate yourself fool
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2015.11.07 23:47:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:Noob, I did not write no sissy ass vampire book. I despise your sig. andy remicEducate yourself fool
No robots? Disgusting.
Forum King - You can not deny
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.11.08 00:13:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:noob cavman wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:Noob, I did not write no sissy ass vampire book. I despise your sig. andy remicEducate yourself fool No robots? Disgusting.
He has book's about machine god's im sorry if you're mother did not allow you access to anything approaching literature
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2015.11.08 00:42:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:noob cavman wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:Noob, I did not write no sissy ass vampire book. I despise your sig. andy remicEducate yourself fool No robots? Disgusting. He has book's about machine god's im sorry if you're mother did not allow you access to anything approaching literature
He does? Cool.
And in fact, I have a library filled with Issac Asimov, Edgar Allen Poe, Arthur Conan Doyle, William Shakespeare, Homer, Virgil, William Faulkner.
Sad to say I have a Divergent book in my collection, i feel putrid, those are horrible "books" |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.11.08 04:43:00 -
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I'm beginning to think ADS is better in 1st person. It's certainly more fun and you can make much tighter, closer maneuvers. 
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2015.11.08 05:59:00 -
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*absolves all of my alts, meditating until the time comes for Him* |
XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.08 05:59:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:*absolves all of my alts, meditating until the time comes for Him*
GJR, where are you!!!
Under contract by the Amarr Empire
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2015.11.08 06:41:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:*absolves all of my alts, meditating until the time comes for Him* GJR, where are you!!!
GJR shall be the one who posts, not me, not until it is time. |
Matticus Monk
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.11.08 08:36:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Proposed Fancy Pants Dropsuit Module Progression
Hold PRO Modules constant
Set STD Modules 50% weaker than PRO
Set ADV Modules 20% stronger than STD
Set MLT Modules equal to STD Modules w/higher PG/CPU req'ts
I like the thinking here. One thing I'd suggest is that perhaps a way to make this more inline with proto gear (supposedly) being much more expensive for an incremental increase is to make ADV = STD + 30%. I haven't looked closely at PRO module pricing but pricing may need to be revisited to ensure that when you jump from ADV -> PRO you pay more proportionally than would be warranted for a 20% increase in module benefit. Or, for simplicity one could make ADV = STD + 25% and again the jump in price from STD -> ADV would be much less than the jump in price from ADV -> PRO. (I.E.: the line of module benefit per tier should be close to linear, but the line of module price per tier should be geometric, or exponential if we are real HTFU types.)
Adipem Nothi wrote:One last thing!
Assume that there was a cloak variant with a very large scan profile bonus that came with the tradeoff of very short cloak reserves. If this variant's damp bonus were sufficient to permit single damp'd MN Scouts to duck even GalLogi Focused Scans, how short would the cloak duration have to be in order for the variant to be balanced? To put the question into perspective, current STD Cloak duration is 15 seconds.
In your opinion, could a high damp bonus / short duration cloak variant be balanced?
I think a lot of this depends on how many scans you are being hit with and your ability to get out of dodge fast. Maybe there is a way to math this, but offhand I'd guess somewhere between 6-8 seconds is justified. |
Matticus Monk
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.11.08 08:54:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I remain convinced that I am the only person who knows the value of the Cloak Field.
I've hated the cloak since introduction but I've adapted and now use the cloak on all my scout fits. Sure there are many times where it doesn't get activated much but I find it very useful in a variety of situations none the less. I'd say at this point I value the cloak.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
17
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Posted - 2015.11.08 16:55:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:IE the line of module benefit per tier should be close to linear, but the line of module price per tier should be geometric, or exponential
Completely agree. Incremental improvements at exponentially increasing costs.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.08 17:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Whilst I'm still working on numbers for an actual proposal, here are some efficacy vs fitting resource statistics which you may find interesting. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10vGwCgcJttu1KhzueqtxXbajZrIeoGLXfoOUP2JIhwM/edit?usp=sharingNote the general strong downwards trend in efficiency as tier increases. One of my concerns is that if you were to increase the efficacy of the lower tier modules still further, the efficiency savings in switching to these would be such that previously 'glass cannon' proto fits would actually be significantly more tanky than previously. If such a shift happened on a large scale, would we not observe a decrease in average hitpoint disparity between low-end and high-end suits? Sure, it might free up resources for other things (such as more proto guns) but we've already demonstrated that proto guns offer far less advantage between tiers than present proto modules.
What about EXP and Officer weapons? These are becoming larger problems, even if they cut off the flow of Officer weapons, because enough people stockpiled them. Where do those fit on the curve?
@ Cloak
I would rather see Type C Medium Length/Profile. What I am most concerned about with regards to C is the possibility for use on other suits. The cost would have to be large enough. Plus I would have some concern that it could lead to adding to the HP issues, as if were too dampening, Scouts would just use HP modules instead of Damps. It just seems like it would be an extra factor to have to balance around. Unless we have just given up on the whole EWAR thing and are just settling, which I can at least understand.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.08 17:28:00 -
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Kid Chilled wrote:noob cavman wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:noob cavman wrote:Kid Chilled wrote:Noob, I did not write no sissy ass vampire book. I despise your sig. andy remicEducate yourself fool No robots? Disgusting. He has book's about machine god's im sorry if you're mother did not allow you access to anything approaching literature He does? Cool. And in fact, I have a library filled with Issac Asimov, Edgar Allen Poe, Arthur Conan Doyle, William Shakespeare, Homer, Virgil, William Faulkner. Sad to say I have a Divergent book in my collection, i feel putrid, those are horrible "books"
I hope you don't have them on the same shelf. I think Divergent would make good, if not overly large, shim.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.08 17:52:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:noob cavman wrote:I just like to jump around with agimus massdrivers XD ^ D!ck. \_/ Here, I got you a bucket.
All I see is an antique TV antenna.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
9
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:07:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:IE the line of module benefit per tier should be close to linear, but the line of module price per tier should be geometric, or exponential Completely agree. Incremental improvements at exponentially increasing costs.
I'm thinking of a less hierarchal structure to tiers along the lines of the Reactive Plate flow.
I need to hammer it out coherentlyGǪ Barrier number oneGǪ I don't even spreadsheet
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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Matticus Monk
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:40:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:IE the line of module benefit per tier should be close to linear, but the line of module price per tier should be geometric, or exponential Completely agree. Incremental improvements at exponentially increasing costs. I'm thinking of a less hierarchal structure to tiers along the lines of the Reactive Plate flow. I need to hammer it out coherentlyGǪ Barrier number oneGǪ I don't even spreadsheet
It's OK. Farm it out!
Wave your hands around, make some mathematically vague statements, thrown in some key phrases like "something on the order of...." or "along the lines of...." paint a general picture and sit back and wait for results to criticize!!!
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
9
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:02:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:IE the line of module benefit per tier should be close to linear, but the line of module price per tier should be geometric, or exponential Completely agree. Incremental improvements at exponentially increasing costs. I'm thinking of a less hierarchal structure to tiers along the lines of the Reactive Plate flow. I need to hammer it out coherentlyGǪ Barrier number oneGǪ I don't even spreadsheet It's OK. Farm it out! Wave your hands around, make some mathematically vague statements, thrown in some key phrases like "something on the order of...." or "along the lines of...." paint a general picture and sit back and wait for results to criticize!!!
This is the formula that gets Ark to make spreadsheets for you 
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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Kid Chilled
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:29:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I hope you don't have them on the same shelf. I think Divergent would make good, if not overly large, shim.
I keep trying not to post, and y'all make it hard for me 
No, I only have one Divergent book, it is Four, and it is not even on a shelf, it is on the ground. The logo is cool, but the context of those "books" are putrid. I need the Hunger Game books, I have read them online, but I like having a hard copy of things, like I have a crap ton of CDs still, even though I still download my music on my phone. I am still trying to get my hands on a certain book...whose name has escaped me...which is going to drive me insane all day.
Got me a chair in my room, where I sit and read, though I haven't done so in a while. I really need to pick that back up, usually just the Bible nowadays though. This has given me time to reevaluate myself, calm down, become less destructive, react smoother, and be less aggressive.
More benevolence, less malevolence. Maybe actually give constructiveness regarding the topic.....maybe, i still need to be a troll... |
XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:55:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:noob cavman wrote:I just like to jump around with agimus massdrivers XD ^ D!ck. \_/ Here, I got you a bucket. All I see is an antique TV antenna.
All I see is an upside down stool
Under contract by the Amarr Empire
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.08 21:16:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:noob cavman wrote:I just like to jump around with agimus massdrivers XD ^ D!ck. \_/ Here, I got you a bucket. All I see is an antique TV antenna. All I see is an upside down stool
All I see is someone with really long arms praising the sun!
Director of T-W-L
Lord of Scrubs
Praise the Sun!
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