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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.10.13 03:13:00 -
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Not Vahzz wrote: It is because of brand recognition. I keep telling raven that, but then he spouts some crazy Ark stuff.
Are you still rambling on about how a majestic bird such as myself is somehow akin to the likeness of one of those Arkena Wyrnspires?
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 03:16:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Not Vahzz wrote: It is because of brand recognition. I keep telling raven that, but then he spouts some crazy Ark stuff.
Are you still rambling on about how a majestic bird such as myself is somehow akin to the likeness of one of those Arkena Wyrnspires? I tried to fly once, it didn't end well.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.10.13 03:18:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:LeGoose wrote:Alright everyone. I played a couple of matches today to test out the new build. What are people's thoughts in the current Meta? I got absolutely destroyed by a few Gal assaults before I could even react. Also was in a match were I saw Keeriam (Llast?) go 30-0 in what I presume to be a Gal Assault with a Creadron Breach AR. Anyone try out some serious shield tanking to see how that is now? I used to run a Cal scout build completely focused on shield recovery which was fun but not super viable.
o/ Goose! Keeriam's a beast. OG Scout Sniper. He's far too careful and meticulous to be an alt of Llast :-) Did you try the Burst ScP? Lots of sidearm tweaks this last round; haven't got around to testing that one yet. Unfortunately, CalScouts didn't benefit much from the shield improvements. Their recovery stats were held constant. From what I've personally seen so far, they're probably doing less well now than prior to FoxFour (presumably due to more ARs). I have seem some MedFrames pulling off impressive shield tank/recovery.
Keeriam is greatGǪ and indeed far to good at not dying careful and meticulous to be me
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.10.13 10:18:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:I reached level 3! i am truly humbled by your achievement
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.10.13 12:05:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Rattati's Commentary: ~03:12-05:20: on FoxFour ~06:02-06:20: on specific shield changes ~07:20-10:25: on racial bonus changes (mostly ARs) ~11:35-15:50: on rifle ranges and changes ~17:05-17:50: on engagement ranges ~19:10-23:00: on the feedback process ~23:50-25:00: on #PortDust514 ~27:10-33:00: on AV design and Soraya Xel ~33:40-37:25: Twitter Q/A: new BPOs (no), EVE Link (no), Weapon Attachments (no) ~37:30-41:40: on short-term goals ~42:20-43:00: on Warlords 1.3 ( "will be cool. interesting. could p!ss some people off.")
I posted this in the Biomassed thread (with credit) - I hope you don't mind.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.13 12:28:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Hmmm so it's inaccurate
Rattati's choice of words is interesting: CCP Rattati wrote:It's equal interval sampled over the last 3 months If this data spanned the entirety of the past three months, why not just say "the last 3 months"? Could it be that he sampled data from equal intervals at different points over the past three months? :: Scratches Head :: Didn't see that before coz Ninja Editing like a Fatty The keyword for me there is "sampling". Means it's not all data. So whilst it misses some usage, what it misses is likely to be an incredibly rare occurrence to not get picked up in any sample at all. My thoughts exactly. He also mentioned (in the other thread) that there's a cut-off value in the hundreds. I'm assuming it's around 500, as the lowest available value was ~590.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.13 12:30:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Rattati's Commentary: ~03:12-05:20: on FoxFour ~06:02-06:20: on specific shield changes ~07:20-10:25: on racial bonus changes (mostly ARs) ~11:35-15:50: on rifle ranges and changes ~17:05-17:50: on engagement ranges ~19:10-23:00: on the feedback process ~23:50-25:00: on #PortDust514 ~27:10-33:00: on AV design and Soraya Xel ~33:40-37:25: Twitter Q/A: new BPOs (no), EVE Link (no), Weapon Attachments (no) ~37:30-41:40: on short-term goals ~42:20-43:00: on Warlords 1.3 ( "will be cool. interesting. could p!ss some people off.") I posted this in the Biomassed thread (with credit) - I hope you don't mind. Don't mind at all. Good idea.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.10.13 13:50:00 -
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In an computer science ethics lecture:
"Are you on project euler instead of doing the group work?" "Yes." "Why?" "Because your course is waffley bullshit, sir."
I know I am amongst kindred souls in this compsci course when this is the reaction to an ethics lecture. What a shining beacon of hope amongst the many International Relations students.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.10.13 13:54:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:In an computer science ethics lecture:
"Are you on project euler instead of doing the group work?" "Yes." "Why?" "Because your course is waffley bullshit, sir."
I know I am amongst kindred souls in this compsci course when this is the reaction to an ethics lecture. What a shining beacon of hope amongst the many International Relations students. Ethics course? Wuts dat?
Where I go to, they just teach you how to code and throw you out with a small piece of paper.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.13 15:07:00 -
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So this PC data got me thinking about scouts in PC. I reevaluated my PC Min and Gal fits, focussing on the fact that killing enemies is best done with an assault (not that I was trying to use it as a slayer before).
I'm pleased that I did come up with a number of useful roles and fits for Gal and Min scouts. Mainly uplink placement and destruction, speed hacking, and an interesting outside point defence Min scout making use of the knife bonus. A full stealth Gal scout might also be useful in some cases. All using the cloak, other than on speed deploy fits.
This got me thinking about the Amarr and Caldari scouts. I don't have experience using them, but I was thinking about what advantages they have over other scouts.
Caldari I think should be a good suit, just not quite as good in PC as a Gal scout. I think it would be good in pubs or FW though. It's advantage is passive scans. The dampening bonus puts it very close in role to the Gal scout. I believe this is why it sees little use in PC despite it being a good suit. If the roles overlap, the Gal scout only needs to be a tiny bit better at it than the Cal in order to replace it in PC.
Amarr I think could be good. The stamina bonus needs a buff, especially considering the recent cardiac regulator buff. This could be extended to all biotics as has been suggested a lot, or just a buff to the stamina bonus. The precision could be good I feel, if used as a defence against dampened enemies, but the position of passive scans compared to active scans holds it back.
So what do I think needs to be done to address the Caldari and Amarr scout issue highlighted by the data? Here are my suggested improvements. I know all the ideas have been plagiarised from others. Just stating my feelings on things.
1) Buff range extenders from 15% to 25% at proto tier. This would allow Amarr and Caldari scouts to utilise their unique strengths more effectively. It would also bring an unused module back from the dead. The danger is making logi scans OP. Considering the module used to be +45%, I think a compromise at 25% would probably be ok. The optimal passive scanning logi, with 1 (or 2) precision mod and 3 range extenders would only have unbeatable scans up to 14m.
2) Buff the Amarr scout stamina bonus. Either just increase the current bonus, or make it affect biotics in general.
Possible: If active scans are nerfed slightly, in some way, as is regularly discussed by the general community, the relative usefulness of passive scanning will increase, increasing the value of Amarr and Caldari scouts who specialise in passive scans.
What do people think? I think most here have agreed with these ideas in the past. Do people still like these ideas? Maybe people have better ideas now. Or maybe things should be left as they are? I accept that not everything can be useful in PC. But I still think these are changes that should be thought about. |
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.13 16:45:00 -
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Why were Logi passives buffed to 25m in the first place? Because Trifecta? Lol.
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 16:54:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Why were Logi passives buffed to 25m in the first place? Because Trifecta? Lol.
Edit: it'd be easier to start from scratch with EWAR stats than try to cleanup Zatara's mess. I say swap the AM Scout bonus for something fun and hold out for the EWAR overhaul. What about a 5% bonus to cloak time plus a 5% reduction to cloak weapo b switch delay per level?
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.10.13 16:55:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:So this PC data got me thinking about scouts in PC. I reevaluated my PC Min and Gal fits, focussing on the fact that killing enemies is best done with an assault (not that I was trying to use it as a slayer before).
I'm pleased that I did come up with a number of useful roles and fits for Gal and Min scouts. Mainly uplink placement and destruction, speed hacking, and an interesting outside point defence Min scout making use of the knife bonus. A full stealth Gal scout might also be useful in some cases. All using the cloak, other than on speed deploy fits.
This got me thinking about the Amarr and Caldari scouts. I don't have experience using them, but I was thinking about what advantages they have over other scouts.
Caldari I think should be a good suit, just not quite as good in PC as a Gal scout. I think it would be good in pubs or FW though. It's advantage is passive scans. The dampening bonus puts it very close in role to the Gal scout. I believe this is why it sees little use in PC despite it being a good suit. If the roles overlap, the Gal scout only needs to be a tiny bit better at it than the Cal in order to replace it in PC.
Amarr I think could be good. The stamina bonus needs a buff, especially considering the recent cardiac regulator buff. This could be extended to all biotics as has been suggested a lot, or just a buff to the stamina bonus. The precision could be good I feel, if used as a defence against dampened enemies, but the position of passive scans compared to active scans holds it back.
So what do I think needs to be done to address the Caldari and Amarr scout issue highlighted by the data? Here are my suggested improvements. I know all the ideas have been plagiarised from others. Just stating my feelings on things.
1) Buff range extenders from 15% to 25% at proto tier. This would allow Amarr and Caldari scouts to utilise their unique strengths more effectively. It would also bring an unused module back from the dead. The danger is making logi scans OP. Considering the module used to be +45%, I think a compromise at 25% would probably be ok. The optimal passive scanning logi, with 1 (or 2) precision mod and 3 range extenders would only have unbeatable scans up to 14m.
2) Buff the Amarr scout stamina bonus. Either just increase the current bonus, or make it affect biotics in general.
Possible: If active scans are nerfed slightly, in some way, as is regularly discussed by the general community, the relative usefulness of passive scanning will increase, increasing the value of Amarr and Caldari scouts who specialise in passive scans.
What do people think? I think most here have agreed with these ideas in the past. Do people still like these ideas? Maybe people have better ideas now. Or maybe things should be left as they are? I accept that not everything can be useful in PC. But I still think these are changes that should be thought about. Pretty solid assessment in my opinion. I would like to see Logi scan range dropped down as a normalization to help with balancing EWAR. A 14m unbeatable scan is out of line with every other suit, couple that with the fact that it is shared in squad makes it pretty nasty. Logi being very effective in teamwork and encouraged to squad for effectiveness makes approaching the Heavy/Logi duo ridiculousGǪ now make the squad a 16 merc affairGǪ Logi in a team squad effectively shuts down a lot of play for a lot people. Wallhacks were considered bad when Cal scout could do it in a small squadGǪ why is it okay when we have 8 and 16 man squads available now?
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Harbingerof War
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:17:00 -
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SO what things did I miss from being here after a week.
Been logi'ing since release. Need to give those needles and self proclaimed king of logi hugs ^-^
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:28:00 -
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Harbingerof War wrote:SO what things did I miss from being here after a week. CPM people came in and harassed us (jk) about scouts and cloaks and stuff.
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Pharoahe
RabbitGang 13 COILS
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:38:00 -
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Harbingerof War wrote:SO what things did I miss from being here after a week. A lot of cloak talk. Trying to discuss and figure out the best way to balance the cloak.
I still say we should give it a dampening bonus, because it is supposed to be for stealth. Like 5 or 7db when the cloak is active. A 2complex damp Gal Scout gets 15db of damps iirc, and when cloak is active it gets around 10 or so. That is not that bad. It would help, especially for them non gal scouts.
A wolf does not concern itself over the opinion of sheep
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:38:00 -
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Harbingerof War wrote:SO what things did I miss from being here after a week. There was a massisve orgy. We all got 1 trillion ISK, officer BPOs, and a secret beta code for Dust on PS4.
I'm a cheater
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:40:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Harbingerof War wrote:SO what things did I miss from being here after a week. There was a massisve orgy. We all got 1 trillion ISK, officer BPOs, and a secret beta code for Dust on PS4. Lmao
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Harbingerof War
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:48:00 -
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For the cloaks I would say cutting the DB of user when active by 7 db but they also get a speed penalty.
Been logi'ing since release. Need to give those needles and self proclaimed king of logi hugs ^-^
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:53:00 -
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Harbingerof War wrote:For the cloaks I would say cutting the DB of user when active by 7 db but they also get a speed penalty. No
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Harbingerof War
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Posted - 2015.10.13 17:54:00 -
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well there has to be positives and negatives to it.
Been logi'ing since release. Need to give those needles and self proclaimed king of logi hugs ^-^
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:01:00 -
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Vahzz.
Can you please keep posts like this out of the war room please?
We have enough cancer in there, we don't need more.
Pharoahe wrote:Why do i use all my alts? Well, VAHZZ is banned, so generally when i want to ******* post, i use an alt omg, that is so ******* unheard of isn't it?! Like, seriously! Use an alt to post because of banning!? Like omg! And, i know, someone will report me, boo hoo :( i am going to cryyyyy, because it is not lik i have a million more accounts and alts. Someone has to be so butthurt to ban my alts, but, i will keep coming back, because i am a disease, i am a ******* plague. I could care less about any opinions except for a few select. Now, insult me, you plebiscite heathen, try to get under my skin, and i will be here to crush your pathetic waste under a mountain of stupid nonsense.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:04:00 -
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Harbingerof War wrote:well there has to be positives and negatives to it.
No.
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Regnier Feros
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:12:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Why were Logi passives buffed to 25m in the first place? Because Trifecta? Lol.
Edit: it'd be easier to start from scratch with EWAR stats than try to cleanup Zatara's mess. I say swap the AM Scout bonus for something fun and hold out for the EWAR overhaul. What about a 5% bonus to cloak time plus a 5% reduction to cloak weapon switch delay per level? I like my precision bonus
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:20:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Why were Logi passives buffed to 25m in the first place? Because Trifecta? Lol.
Edit: it'd be easier to start from scratch with EWAR stats than try to cleanup Zatara's mess. I say swap the AM Scout bonus for something fun and hold out for the EWAR overhaul. What about a 5% bonus to cloak time plus a 5% reduction to cloak weapon switch delay per level? I like my precision bonus Yes
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VAHZZ
RabbitGang 13 COILS
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:28:00 -
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The Last True Spartan
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:29:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Vahzz. Can you please keep posts like this out of the war room please? We have enough cancer in there, we don't need more. Pharoahe wrote:Why do i use all my alts? Well, VAHZZ is banned, so generally when i want to ******* post, i use an alt omg, that is so ******* unheard of isn't it?! Like, seriously! Use an alt to post because of banning!? Like omg! And, i know, someone will report me, boo hoo :( i am going to cryyyyy, because it is not lik i have a million more accounts and alts. Someone has to be so butthurt to ban my alts, but, i will keep coming back, because i am a disease, i am a ******* plague. I could care less about any opinions except for a few select. Now, insult me, you plebiscite heathen, try to get under my skin, and i will be here to crush your pathetic waste under a mountain of stupid nonsense. If he's going to put those posts anywhere I'd rather it be the War Room. WR's practically his true home.
I'm a cheater
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VAHZZ
RabbitGang 13 COILS
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:30:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Vahzz. Can you please keep posts like this out of the war room please? We have enough cancer in there, we don't need more. Pharoahe wrote:Why do i use all my alts? Well, VAHZZ is banned, so generally when i want to ******* post, i use an alt omg, that is so ******* unheard of isn't it?! Like, seriously! Use an alt to post because of banning!? Like omg! And, i know, someone will report me, boo hoo :( i am going to cryyyyy, because it is not lik i have a million more accounts and alts. Someone has to be so butthurt to ban my alts, but, i will keep coming back, because i am a disease, i am a ******* plague. I could care less about any opinions except for a few select. Now, insult me, you plebiscite heathen, try to get under my skin, and i will be here to crush your pathetic waste under a mountain of stupid nonsense. If he's going to put those posts anywhere I'd rather it be the War Room. WR's practically his true home.
I put that in the War Room....
The Last True Spartan
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:32:00 -
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cloak is for stealth in terms of *line of sight*. suits and mods already drop profile for *EWAR*. mix the two into cloak sure, but come up with a reason and strategy for that *outside of* "cloak is for stealth so it should affect profile"
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.13 18:40:00 -
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The cloak already affects profile. It used to affect profile a lot more. |
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