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Adipem Nothi wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Question for those that have tried the newest hotfix:

Do you notice that it is easier to use a rifle with a scout when getting the drop?

Initial Impressions:

Positioning matters more than before, but not sufficiently so to overcome a substantial hitpoint gap.

For instance, while running a base-hp BPO loadout, I got the drop on a low-hp proto Scout a couple times in a prior match. I opened up from behind with a Dren AR and was able to establish and maintain an upper hand. As these engagements involved low-HP unit vs low-HP unit, superior position and "who shot first" mattered more than his slight hitpoint advantage.

Opening up from behind on a high-hp unit, as expected, still plays out like poking a bear. Positioning might matter more than before, but HP still matters more. Thinking that alpha weapons will remain the low-hp scout's best friend when it comes to bridging the hitpoint gap. Also thinking that hp-oriented loadouts will persist as the prevailing competitive meta.

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Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 5	Posted - 2015.07.02 06:39:00 - [39241] - Quote My weekly W/L is 0.16. Matchmaking is much legit yes? xD Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 5	Posted - 2015.07.02 06:43:00 - [39242] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Knew it'd end up like this. Going to need some people to steal my kills tomorrow. 60 kill assists to go rest of the missions are done. My friend, I have just what you need Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 283	Posted - 2015.07.02 06:46:00 - [39243] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Knew it'd end up like this. Going to need some people to steal my kills tomorrow. 60 kill assists to go rest of the missions are done. DERP DERP DERP LET ME SQUAD SO I CAN GET KILLS EVERYONE IS HACKING OR SOMTHING DERPITY DERPY DERGLE DERP :P BUILD MORE FARMS!
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 5	Posted - 2015.07.02 07:27:00 - [39244] - Quote Current weekly W/L: 0.07. Seriously? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 24	Posted - 2015.07.02 08:08:00 - [39245] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Current weekly W/L: 0.07. Seriously? Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.02 08:21:00 - [39246] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Current weekly W/L: 0.07. Seriously? Mode? Solo? Theoretically, if you lose enough times your Mu will decline; you should eventually be served a match (or matches) against non-stompers. If you leave match, Mu adjustment does not occur. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
J0LLY R0G3R Negative-Feedback. 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 11:40:00 - [39247] - Quote Feel a lil bad for the min assaults that were getting wrecked yesterday so decided it was smart to just throw armor plates on their suits. XD TheYoutube XD
xavier zor II 134	Posted - 2015.07.02 12:04:00 - [39248] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Current weekly W/L: 0.07. Seriously? lmao karma kicks in for all your sqaudding xavier zor's alt
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 283	Posted - 2015.07.02 13:03:00 - [39249] - Quote Anyone wanting to watch anime heres a great one to start off with 'Boku no Pico' cant be bothered to link it jsut copy paste into google and watch it. BUILD MORE FARMS!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.02 13:57:00 - [39250] - Quote Catching up on the last few pages of this thread. Perhaps I'm reading between the lines, but many of the points raised (and positions taken) make me uneasy. Would love to hear your thoughts, gentlemen. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)

IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 2	Posted - 2015.07.02 14:09:00 - [39251] - Quote I'd say you can team deploy in FW but it costs command points... That way you aren't just stomping all the time. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.02 14:44:00 - [39252] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Catching up on the last few pages of this thread. Perhaps I'm reading between the lines, but many of the points raised (and positions taken) make me uneasy. Would love to hear your thoughts, gentlemen. I'm a strong believer in allowing team deploy in FW. First it allows instant corp battles to return which would be great. Second it's currently possible to sync FW so you might as well allow everyone to do it easily. Third I think FW should be organized and team deploy allows that. A bit bummed out to see the CPM comments about OBs and knowing I was right and CCP messed up platoons by just making it one big squad with a single leader. Here comes OBs and 16 man shared passive scans. Sigh... Overlord of Broman
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.07.02 14:51:00 - [39253] - Quote I can tell you this from my experience playing with kain. The man doesn't want stomps. He and our alliance in general get bored of stomps. In fact alot of the time in fw its 32 of us trying to murder each other, the earlier opening of fw is in part of us creating syncs on each side for good fights. In a way we have turned fw into corp battles of yesterday and are enjoying our nostalgia. That and pubs mm is still borked with 9v16 and such I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Kringlaugd wierd, ein spadi for qvoki ne skeifr drpr munni ne svinhqfdi.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.07.02 14:54:00 - [39254] - Quote Fristname Family name wrote: Anyone wanting to watch anime heres a great one to start off with 'Boku no Pico' cant be bothered to link it jsut copy paste into google and watch it. I advise not to start with boku. Maybe hellsing or log horizon but boku is a lil extreme for noobies of the animes I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Kringlaugd wierd, ein spadi for qvoki ne skeifr drpr munni ne svinhqfdi.
Regnier Feros Pielords 426	Posted - 2015.07.02 15:25:00 - [39255] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Fristname Family name wrote: Anyone wanting to watch anime heres a great one to start off with 'Boku no Pico' cant be bothered to link it jsut copy paste into google and watch it. I advise not to start with boku. Maybe hellsing or log horizon but boku is a lil extreme for noobies of the animes High school of the dead + Freezing ZariaOwnsWhips
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.02 15:48:00 - [39256] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: ... and 16 man shared passive scans. Sigh... That's something else I've been thinking about. It'd be easier to tune Falloff than it would be to work in a fix for this presumed oversight or work in a fix for shared squad sight. My expectation (at the moment) is that scout performance will continue to decline, and with it, the need for intense inner scan rings. What do you guys think would happen if we simply set inner scan ring precision equal to middle scan ring precision? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:09:00 - [39257] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: noob cavman wrote: Fristname Family name wrote: Anyone wanting to watch anime heres a great one to start off with 'Boku no Pico' cant be bothered to link it jsut copy paste into google and watch it. I advise not to start with boku. Maybe hellsing or log horizon but boku is a lil extreme for noobies of the animes High school of the dead + Freezing Freezing, oh god i remember that. The weirdness is beyond me.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:25:00 - [39258] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: noob cavman wrote: Fristname Family name wrote: Anyone wanting to watch anime heres a great one to start off with 'Boku no Pico' cant be bothered to link it jsut copy paste into google and watch it. I advise not to start with boku. Maybe hellsing or log horizon but boku is a lil extreme for noobies of the animes High school of the dead + Freezing Cowboy Bebop and Gurren Lagann are the best starter anime, bar none Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:29:00 - [39259] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Question for those that have tried the newest hotfix: Do you notice that it is easier to use a rifle with a scout when getting the drop? Initial Impressions: Positioning matters more than before, but not sufficiently so to overcome a substantial hitpoint gap. For instance, while running a base-hp BPO loadout, I got the drop on a low-hp proto Scout a couple times in a prior match. I opened up from behind with a Dren AR and was able to establish and maintain an upper hand. As these engagements involved low-HP unit vs low-HP unit, superior position and "who shot first" mattered more than his slight hitpoint advantage. Opening up from behind on a high-hp unit, as expected, still plays out like poking a bear. Positioning might matter more than before, but HP still matters more. Thinking that alpha weapons will remain the low-hp scout's best friend when it comes to bridging the hitpoint gap. Also thinking that hp-oriented loadouts will persist as the prevailing competitive meta. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
J0LLY R0G3R Negative-Feedback. 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:41:00 - [39260] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I can tell you this from my experience playing with kain. The man doesn't want stomps. He and our alliance in general get bored of stomps. In fact alot of the time in fw its 32 of us trying to murder each other, the earlier opening of fw is in part of us creating syncs on each side for good fights. In a way we have turned fw into corp battles of yesterday and are enjoying our nostalgia. That and pubs mm is still borked with 9v16 and such Squad I seem to end up I'm usually pass in the qsync Will say, ill probably jump in a sync when I am going for the next suit. Team deploy in fw will atleast make red lines convienant. XD TheYoutube XD

VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:42:00 - [39261] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: noob cavman wrote: Fristname Family name wrote: Anyone wanting to watch anime heres a great one to start off with 'Boku no Pico' cant be bothered to link it jsut copy paste into google and watch it. I advise not to start with boku. Maybe hellsing or log horizon but boku is a lil extreme for noobies of the animes High school of the dead + Freezing Cowboy Bebop and Gurren Lagann are the best starter anime, bar none Bruh, or bram.. Cowboy Bebop and Gurren Lagann are the best anime, period. Bar none.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:47:00 - [39262] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ares 514 wrote: ... and 16 man shared passive scans. Sigh... That's something else I've been thinking about. It'd be easier to tune Falloff than it would be to work in a fix for this presumed oversight or work in a fix for shared squad sight. My expectation (at the moment) is that scout performance will continue to decline, and with it, the need for intense inner scan rings. What do you guys think would happen if we simply set inner scan ring precision equal to middle scan ring precision? Very bad things. Overlord of Broman
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:49:00 - [39263] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Question for those that have tried the newest hotfix: Do you notice that it is easier to use a rifle with a scout when getting the drop? Initial Impressions: Positioning matters more than before, but not sufficiently so to overcome a substantial hitpoint gap. For instance, while running a base-hp BPO loadout, I got the drop on a low-hp proto Scout a couple times in a prior match. I opened up from behind with a Dren AR and was able to establish and maintain an upper hand. As these engagements involved low-HP unit vs low-HP unit, superior position and "who shot first" mattered more than his slight hitpoint advantage. Opening up from behind on a high-hp unit, as expected, still plays out like poking a bear. Positioning might matter more than before, but HP still matters more. Thinking that alpha weapons will remain the low-hp scout's best friend when it comes to bridging the hitpoint gap. Also thinking that hp-oriented loadouts will persist as the prevailing competitive meta. Agree. I also found i did better with good positioning then i would have before. Overlord of Broman
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:57:00 - [39264] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Question for those that have tried the newest hotfix: Do you notice that it is easier to use a rifle with a scout when getting the drop? Initial Impressions: Positioning matters more than before, but not sufficiently so to overcome a substantial hitpoint gap. For instance, while running a base-hp BPO loadout, I got the drop on a low-hp proto Scout a couple times in a prior match. I opened up from behind with a Dren AR and was able to establish and maintain an upper hand. As these engagements involved low-HP unit vs low-HP unit, superior position and "who shot first" mattered more than his slight hitpoint advantage. Opening up from behind on a high-hp unit, as expected, still plays out like poking a bear. Positioning might matter more than before, but HP still matters more. Thinking that alpha weapons will remain the low-hp scout's best friend when it comes to bridging the hitpoint gap. Also thinking that hp-oriented loadouts will persist as the prevailing competitive meta. I have to agree here. Also, may I point out that the cloak has also become more efficient in helping with positioning. I tested it out all of yesterday, and it still shows the blue highlights, it did help a ton.
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:37:00 - [39265] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Catching up on the last few pages of this thread. Perhaps I'm reading between the lines, but many of the points raised (and positions taken) make me uneasy. Would love to hear your thoughts, gentlemen. Oh man I've been keeping up with that thread, read pretty much every post. CCP really need to just step in and say what they're doing and why. It's not a good conversation. Several people have gone way down in my estimation reading all that, and as a solo player who has been seriously considering getting involved with FW, be it solo or somehow joining up with FW squads, the attitudes on display in there makes me sick. Also whilst I don't know the ins and outs of what happened in PC and how Kane was involved, I do not trust him one jot and the amazing energy involved from him and a couple others in pushing for team deploy is incredible and highly suspicious. We're getting an increase in squad size: that is progress. Suggesting the whole community has wanted that for ages is a ridiculous statement and completely out-of-whack with the overall sentiment expressed in that thread. It feels like some loud voices are pushing their agenda with propaganda, and the last few voices standing up to it are preventing a juggernaut achieving critical mass. It also reflects poorly on the CPM that they are belittling each other and pointing fingers, whilst apparently not one of them really has any clue why TD is not coming to FW at this time. It feels like a squabble amongst spoilt children where the parent (CCP) has not realised there's a sneaky agenda at play (and I freely admit I may be wrong on this; but I am suspicious either way). TL;DR The round-in-circles arguments, stereotyping and personal attacks being used are effectively removing all credibility from what might have been an interesting debate / consideration. It is literally people wanting to get their own way and trying to bulldoze through every roadblock along the way. I actually really rate those standing up to it, even though I may not agree with their points, the points are no longer relevant; like someone in there said, that thread just needs to die, ideally with CCP stating their vision and locking the ******* thing as the last post.
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.07.02 17:38:00 - [39266] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Knew it'd end up like this. Going to need some people to steal my kills tomorrow. 60 kill assists to go rest of the missions are done. The mass driver is your friend. [edit] And domination
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 18:34:00 - [39267] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Knew it'd end up like this. Going to need some people to steal my kills tomorrow. 60 kill assists to go rest of the missions are done. The mass driver is your friend. [edit] And domination [edit2] acq not a bad 2nd choice maybe amb too (rarely play it) but not skirm Acq is MassAss spam. So much MassAsses...
J0LLY R0G3R Negative-Feedback. 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 18:54:00 - [39268] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Knew it'd end up like this. Going to need some people to steal my kills tomorrow. 60 kill assists to go rest of the missions are done. The mass driver is your friend. [edit] And domination [edit2] acq not a bad 2nd choice maybe amb too (rarely play it) but not skirm I do have a mass driver fit. I shoulddd probably replace the snowball launcher on it though lol XD TheYoutube XD
korrah silain True Illuminate 105	Posted - 2015.07.02 20:21:00 - [39269] - Quote Fristname Family name wrote: Anyone wanting to watch anime heres a great one to start off with 'Boku no Pico' cant be bothered to link it jsut copy paste into google and watch it. I am familiar with that anime. You are evil. Good try though. Anime I liked: gantz, berserk...ghost in the shell... you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.02 22:21:00 - [39270] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Read the thread dealing with team deploy, ehhh I don't see it being a good thing. FW is serious business u guys, not for casuals. Even though it is a public game mode anyone can join. /s XD (wrote out more but XD better I just delete it lol) I see ups and downs on either side of the argument, but it doesn't make sense this whole "do it naow" agenda. Why jump off a cliff when we could just as easily play it safe and iterate toward that end? Work out the all the kinks, square away queuing mechanics, then roll out FW team deploy. Better yet, why not let FW remain FW and leave end-game competition to PC? All we'd have to do is wire up raid windows for on-demand competitive play. It'd keep PC lean and moving, and it'd keep FW accessible to the average Joes. There are, after all, players who aren't necessarily ready for end-game play who might like the idea of earning SKIN or APEX. Still on the fence. Uncomfortable with the idea of rushing things. Not moved by the "now or never" pitch or the "we'll do it anyway" argument. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)



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