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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.06.17 18:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:You're not the worst, don't worry, you're just fairly awful.
Still an improvement. 
Raven for CPM2
Shield buff, focus on balancing of weapons, and vehicles.
New Content if possible + PS4 port.
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.17 18:29:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:VAHZZ wrote:
That is how it has been from day 1 tbh. We always get the finger pointed at us.
Smh. If my understanding's correct, Mollerz thinks that we should capitalize upon the image and put the free publicity to use. Embrace the notion that the barbershop is full of lies and bad guys rather than resist it. Reinforce the reputation, then flaunt it and troll with it. Frankly, I don't think we'd make for very good bad guys. I also think we'd quickly fall out of favor with Rattati if we began acting like arses. We'd probably get shut down again. It's still a fun thought though.
We would make awful bad guys. But still, i remember a time CCP wouldn't grace us with rain made of ****, before the FoTM hit us hard. I still think they made us FoTM to strike us in the head. Because after that we were scattered. SU was left in shambles with moat of the loyal ones leaving it because of the FoTM chasers. We were never really liked.
Embracing the "bad guy image" would again do the same thing the FoTM did, it would bruise us, and i think it is a horrible idea. I may be a forum troll, but i know for sure i am not a bad guy.
GÖ˘ Live by the Bastard Code. GÖ˘
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.17 18:30:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:You're not the worst, don't worry, you're just fairly awful. Still an improvement.
I would describe the difference as akin to starting a special olympics race and falling over after two steps instead of dying at the starting line.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.06.17 18:31:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:VAHZZ wrote:
That is how it has been from day 1 tbh. We always get the finger pointed at us.
Smh. If my understanding's correct, Mollerz thinks that we should capitalize upon the image and put the free publicity to use. Embrace the notion that the barbershop is full of lies and bad guys rather than resist it. Reinforce the reputation, then flaunt it and troll with it. Frankly, I don't think we'd make for very good bad guys. I also think we'd quickly fall out of favor with Rattati if we began acting like arses. We'd probably get shut down again. It's still a fun thought though. We would make awful bad guys. But still, i remember a time CCP wouldn't grace us with rain made of ****, before the FoTM hit us hard. I still think they made us FoTM to strike us in the head. Because after that we were scattered. SU was left in shambles with moat of the loyal ones leaving it because of the FoTM chasers. We were never really liked. Embracing the "bad guy image" would again do the same thing the FoTM did, it would bruise us, and i think it is a horrible idea. I may be a forum troll, but i know for sure i am not a bad guy.
Am I a bad guy?
I genuinely don't know. 
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
My Minja Blog
Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.06.17 18:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:You're not the worst, don't worry, you're just fairly awful. Still an improvement. I would describe the difference as akin to starting a special olympics race and falling over after two steps instead of dying at the starting line.
I guessed I would have died on the way to the starting line.
Raven for CPM2
Shield buff, focus on balancing of weapons, and vehicles.
New Content if possible + PS4 port.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:11:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Like 6 people on cpm?
I kinda don't want to vote to many of the same class on. I know people seem to say oh you can't vote for or against someone based on what ckass they play as. . But I can and will be lol, class they mostly play, how well they play it, almongst other things.
Zaria is about the only one I think I can say for sure will be on the next cpm. Good point. Apart from Zaria and Cross, which other candidates main Logi?
I think it's a bit narrow to focus a vote based purely on 'primary' role.
It is everyone's personal choice who they vote for and why of course - some people feel it's appropriate to vote based on the name recognition of the candidate alone which to me seems deeply poor form so clearly there are differences of opinion - but voting for "main role" alone is in my view a glaring oversimplification.
Someone like Zaria, who has over 5000 hours into the game has logged more time on various roles that are not her 'primary' than some players have on their main role. Other candidates like myself make an active point to run alts (in both fits and characters) for the specific point of testing roles and play styles outside of our usual fare. I main support yes, but I've also played scout since closed beta, have various assaults, dabble in commandos, and spend a lot of time in sentinels (there have been months in the past year where by time logged my 'main role' was heavy not support).
Even setting aside the above point about oversimplification the notion of a 'up/down' vote based on role alone is still overly narrow in my view as it makes candidacy focused on the notion that the individual CPM in question will be primarily giving their personal input rather than providing their impression of community feedback, and frankly I think CPMs doing that is poor form. If one trait is to define a candidate, it seems it had best be their ability to gather/discuss/transmit points of view outside of their own (be that role or otherwise) else they'll likely make a rather poor representative of the community.
Moving beyond that point, if one is still focused purely on the skill set of the candidate in question it bearing mentioning that there are more skills involved in Dust than simply those of the fame you most frequently deploy in. There are leadership skills from managing corps/alliances, there are logistical skills (not the role) from organizing and running battles for PC and/or FW. There are training skills for sharing info with new players (directly relevant to the NPE which is a strong factor in overall game health). There's exposure to other games outside of Dust 514 which can provide context and contrast for a wide array of things.
The simple point is that while primary play style - and let us be honest, play style is a lot more nuanced than simply the frame one primarily deploys in - certainly has merits and is worthy of consideration a vote based on one factor is artificially limited in scope and value, just as a ballot which only contains one name is limited in scope and value. Both choices put all eggs in one basket as it were and that is rarely the optimal choice.
0.02 ISK
~Cross
EDIT: Having expressed my dubiousness about the fundamentals of the question I feel I should also reply rather than assume my view is so paramount as to override all others. The candidates who 'main' (sorry, still very subjective terminology to me) in the logistics fame that aren't listed above are SMB and Silly Rabbit.
Note: I do not know the primary play style of all candidates.
EDIT2: There are 7 seats on the CPM. CPM 1 has operated short one for quite some time due to the issues candidate Judge was unable to overcome during his time as a member of the CPM.
CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:17:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:VAHZZ wrote:One Eyed King wrote:They just needed someone to blame for the frustration of OP scouts after 1.8 and it was just easier to point a finger at us and ignore all evidence to the contrary than make the effort to really understand us and honestly engage us. That is how it has been from day 1 tbh. We always get the finger pointed at us. Smh. If my understanding's correct, Mollerz thinks that we should capitalize upon the image and put the free publicity to use. Embrace the notion that the barbershop is full of lies and bad guys rather than resist it. Reinforce the reputation. Flaunt it. Troll with it. Have fun with it. Frankly, I don't think we'd make for very good bad guys. I also think we'd quickly fall out of favor with Rattati if we began acting like arses. We'd probably get shut down again. It's still a fun thought though.
i just like that we behave as individuals...so as a more obvious example, mollerz is far more inclined to say what he thinks in the way tha t he is thinking it, whereas others will dress it so as not to come across as caustic and inflammatory. imho, its all the different personalities involved that make it what it is.
embrace the fact that we're all different and the net result is us. some of us will like our reputation, whether accurate and earnt or not, and others will seek to address it, perceptions or not.
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J0LLY R0G3R
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:21:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:VAHZZ wrote:We need an exceptionally biased Scout CPM, one that'll bring good to the bastard name. Ugh, no! This is the exact opposite of helpful. Imagine if someone like Gav were CPM and advocating for Minjas to get a 50% bonus to kincats or whatever it was he wanted. I would rather no scouts with people at least being reasonable like Cross than a Scout CPM who further inflames all the anti scout sentiment that 1.8 brought around.
Yeah, XD he forgot the /s.
I want a variety of players on the cpm. Not a cpm that is heavily weighted in one area. No matter what that one area is.
I see them as a filter, and I don't want that filter to let one certain thing through more than another.
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TheYoutube XD
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:29:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:CPM Candidate: Zaria Min Deir http://biomassed.net/2015/06/16/cpm-candidate-interview-zaria-min-deir/Cross wrote up a glowing review of Zaria a week or so back. I trust his judgment in all things but EWAR; if Cross says she'll make a great addition to CPM, I'm inclined to support her candidacy. That said, I've had zero personal or in-game interaction with Zaria, and our Forum interactions have been limited. From what I can recall off-hand, her posts have been largely productive, and I don't recall any specific instances of crazy-talk or sh!tposting. To those here who know her, are you inclined to support her candidacy or do you have reservations? Please elaborate.
This is a great example of why I try to keep apprised of your posts.
Not the quote of my statements (though I'm down with that too  ) but the clarity.
Post a concept, ask for input, discuss.
That last is especially key because despite our debates on various subjects (as noted eWar is a common theme  ) we've not descended into pedantic mockery or inability to converse which (as well you know) is vital to the entire community feedback process, and indeed any constructive discourse at all.
Speaking of respectfully disagreeing, I have to say you are mistaken on one of your above points. You have indeed had some in-game interactions with Zaria as she was one of the players in our 3 squad sync along with Dux, Ru and myself during the night when of the infamous "I'm not fraggo I'm kaeru" moment
Now that being said I'd hazard that you don't recall having said interaction and that the literal interacting part of being in the same group of 3 squads is relatively minor when running proper comms (as we were) and not having both parties being squad leads.
Anyway, I'm rambling (as you all know this can happen when I start lacing the red and green with a bit of my reserve of yellow) so I'll sign off for now.
Oh, but one more thing before I do, I'd encourage everyone to read my linked post as well as my ongoing series of articles on the biomassed blog because they provide proper contextualization of my point of view and I do not expect anyone to take a point of view, be it mine or anyone else's, at face value without applying their own considerations.
Demanding that someone make a choice based only on the say so of one individual is in my experience often a deeply arrogant and biased act and I strive to mitigate any such in myself as fully as humanly possible.
Cheers,
Cross
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J0LLY R0G3R
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:29:00 -
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amongst other things.
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TheYoutube XD
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:31:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
i just like that we behave as individuals...so as a more obvious example, mollerz is far more inclined to say what he thinks in the way tha t he is thinking it, whereas others will dress it so as not to come across as caustic and inflammatory. imho, its all the different personalities involved that make it what it is.
embrace the fact that we're all different and the net result is us. some of us will like our reputation, whether accurate and earnt or not, and others will seek to address it, perceptions or not.
now where is my beer?
Very much agree with this !!
Also Cross has been a scout since before most of us have been playing the game. He's so damn good at the role people don't even realize it... and he uses min scout with militia knives D: !
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:35:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:[...] the night when of the infamous "I'm not fraggo I'm kaeru" moment
I really just was kaeru ;_;
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:36:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:
0.02 ISK
~Cross
I agree with you, Cross, in that we should weigh all available factors. But I think Jolly has a fair point. I would expect that a 50% Scout CPM would likely have a different take on things than a 50% Assault CPM, 50% Pilot CPM, or a 50% Logi CPM.
Pretty much everyone here runs multiple suits and multiple roles, but at heart we identify most closely with Scouts. If you elected 3 of the most reasonable voices here to CPM, I would expect their advice to Rattati to be disproportionately scout-centric and unified (even if they tried their hardest to be fair and suppress bias). I don't think it unfair to express concern that the same might be the case with other classes.
Example: GalLogi scans (of course). Lots and lots of players have a problem with them, but lots of reasonable Logis will tell you that they're fine. This is perhaps a gray area as player opinion varies and metrics aren't readily available. Let's say Rattati entertained the prospect that their operational risk might be out of balance with the tactical benefit they provide their team. If CPM were > 50% Logi, I wonder if the ultimate outcome would vary from a CPM which wasn't > 50% Logi.
My two cents, of course.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:37:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:VAHZZ wrote:
That is how it has been from day 1 tbh. We always get the finger pointed at us.
Smh. If my understanding's correct, Mollerz thinks that we should capitalize upon the image and put the free publicity to use. Embrace the notion that the barbershop is full of lies and bad guys rather than resist it. Reinforce the reputation, then flaunt it and troll with it. Frankly, I don't think we'd make for very good bad guys. I also think we'd quickly fall out of favor with Rattati if we began acting like arses. We'd probably get shut down again. It's still a fun thought though. We would make awful bad guys. But still, i remember a time CCP wouldn't grace us with rain made of ****, before the FoTM hit us hard. I still think they made us FoTM to strike us in the head. Because after that we were scattered. SU was left in shambles with moat of the loyal ones leaving it because of the FoTM chasers. We were never really liked. Embracing the "bad guy image" would again do the same thing the FoTM did, it would bruise us, and i think it is a horrible idea. I may be a forum troll, but i know for sure i am not a bad guy. Am I a bad guy? I genuinely don't know.
The worst.
Overlord of Broman
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:46:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
0.02 ISK
~Cross
I agree with you, Cross, in that we should weigh all available factors. But I think Jolly has a fair point. I would expect that a 50% Scout CPM would likely have a different take on things than a 50% Assault CPM, 50% Pilot CPM, or a 50% Logi CPM. Pretty much everyone here runs multiple suits and multiple roles, but at heart we identify most closely with Scouts. If you elected 3 of the most reasonable voices here to CPM, I would expect their advice to Rattati to be disproportionately scout-centric and unified (even if they tried their hardest to be fair and suppress bias). I don't think it unfair to express concern that the same might be the case with other classes. Example: GalLogi scans (of course). Lots and lots of players have a problem with them, but lots of reasonable Logis will tell you that they're fine. This is perhaps a gray area as player opinion varies and metrics aren't readily available. Let's say Rattati entertained the prospect that their operational risk might be out of balance with the tactical benefit they provide their team. If CPM were X% Logi , is there any chance that their advice to Rattat would be different than that of a CPM which was < X% Logi? My two cents, of course.
I want to jump into this just for the sake of friendly argument !
Speaking strictly for myself, I only have Min Scout unlocked as a suit. I don't have a single other point in any other dropsuit command.
With that said, if I were CPM, I would be most heavily focused on:
User Interface Polishing
-a way for new players to sell themselves out as mercs to corps looking for members
-a way for corps to buy contracts (from CONCORD?) to automatically pick up a portion of new mercenaries, with the promise of training them (and receive isk compensation)
-official contract system for ringers
Gameplay Fixes
hit detection
Gameplay additions
Choosing your battle location on star map (especially for FW)
Eve players manufacturing our stuff
The above are my top wants in dust. I want the above more than I want any balance change whatsoever.
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On the topic of Gal Logi Focused Scans:
My honest opinion is that they are absolutely fine as is -IF- they could be limited to 1 scanner per fitting. That pretty much sums up the A to Z of it for me.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:46:00 -
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I'm not quite sure how posting a ribcage turned into a story of oppression and neckbeards, but there we go.
I'll be in a less bad mood tomorrow guys, I promise. 
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.17 19:55:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
0.02 ISK
~Cross
I agree with you, Cross, in that we should weigh all available factors. But I think Jolly has a fair point. I would expect that a 50% Scout CPM would likely have a different take on things than a 50% Assault CPM, 50% Pilot CPM, or a 50% Logi CPM. Pretty much everyone here runs multiple suits and multiple roles, but at heart we identify most closely with Scouts. If you elected 3 of the most reasonable voices here to CPM, I would expect their advice to Rattati to be disproportionately scout-centric and unified (even if they tried their hardest to be fair and suppress bias). I don't think it unfair to express concern that the same might be the case with other classes. Example: GalLogi scans (of course). Lots and lots of players have a problem with them, but lots of reasonable Logis will tell you that they're fine. This is perhaps a gray area as player opinion varies and metrics aren't readily available. Let's say Rattati entertained the prospect that their operational risk might be out of balance with the tactical benefit they provide their team. If CPM were X% Logi , is there any chance that their advice to Rattat would be different than that of a CPM which was < X% Logi? My two cents, of course. I want to jump into this just for the sake of friendly argument ! Speaking strictly for myself, I only have Min Scout unlocked as a suit. I don't have a single other point in any other dropsuit command. With that said, if I were CPM, I would be most heavily focused on: User Interface Polishing -a way for new players to sell themselves out as mercs to corps looking for members -a way for corps to buy contracts (from CONCORD?) to automatically pick up a portion of new mercenaries, with the promise of training them (and receive isk compensation) -official contract system for ringers Gameplay Fixes hit detection Gameplay additions Choosing your battle location on star map (especially for FW) Eve players manufacturing our stuff The above are my top wants in dust. I want the above more than I want any balance change whatsoever. ____________________________________________ On the topic of Gal Logi Focused Scans: My honest opinion is that they are absolutely fine as is -IF- they could be limited to 1 scanner per fitting. That pretty much sums up the A to Z of it for me.
For the sake of argument, assume you and I and OEK were on CPM and the topic of spin-scanning came up. Rattati asks, "is this really a big issue or should we prioritize it under other client-side improvements?"
You, I and OEK know for a fact that a Nos Nothi raider party's worst nighmare is scannerina wielding Focused Scans. To us, it is a game breaker and a serious problem. We would likely respond accordingly, and we would challenge opinions to the contrary.
Now, assume that the three of us were all Pilots. Or Assaults. Or Logis. Or Heavies. Why prioritize this issue over another? Because the Scouts complained about it? So what; Scouts complain about alot of things. If they don't like getting scanned, they should run more damps.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:00:00 -
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I strictly run Scout, it has been a long time since i ran a different suit. When i took a break from scouts, i tried everything but it just didn't fit VAHZZ. I am a scout, and i don't think i can break away from being one.
I do have an Assault alt though.
GÖ˘ Live by the Bastard Code. GÖ˘
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:04:00 -
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Hmm, I understand that having contextual knowledge allowing a person to form a more educated opinion on a topic such as scannerina does indeed create a scenario that appears as bias. I feel like this is an exceptional thing however, because we are discussing the severity of an exploit.
Let's say we discussed Range Amplifiers, instead? How would that situation play out??
(The following is not a proper reply; but for the record, in the above hypothetical situation, if scanners were limited to 1 per suit I would be OK with letting scannerina exploit take a backseat to things like hit detection and team deploy and more)
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:05:00 -
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Range amplifiers?
There's nothing to discuss. Using one is nearly worthy of capital punishment. They were glorious once. ;_;
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Range amplifiers?
There's nothing to discuss. Using one is nearly worthy of capital punishment. They were glorious once. ;_;
Exactly why I brought them up ! This is something that is currently not glitched or exploited, but needs tuning and must be weighted in importance against other things that need tuning.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:08:00 -
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I'm not entirely clear on why they were nerfed in the first place, but then I didn't follow the EWAR debate for a month or so and then suddenly EWAR was flibber tier.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:10:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
i just like that we behave as individuals...so as a more obvious example, mollerz is far more inclined to say what he thinks in the way tha t he is thinking it, whereas others will dress it so as not to come across as caustic and inflammatory. imho, its all the different personalities involved that make it what it is.
embrace the fact that we're all different and the net result is us. some of us will like our reputation, whether accurate and earnt or not, and others will seek to address it, perceptions or not.
now where is my beer?
Very much agree with this !! Also Cross has been a scout since before most of us have been playing the game. He's so damn good at the role people don't even realize it... and he uses min scout with militia knives D: !
Shhhh leave my secrets alone
No one shoots the brightly colored scouts, they assume they're just tour guides (not true actually, I get shot all the kittening time but those hacks and NK kills are so worth it ).
This reminds me, I should break out my MinAssault (Quafe of course) with Mlt NKs and go have some more fun with it
Or, maybe be more effective and run the duel side arm Cal fit that Ru lured me into
I'm not into doing lines of KDR, my drug of choice differs, but even I have to admit that going positive in an undamped standard purple assault suit running only militia nova knives is really fun (not that I can do it with consistency, but when it happens it's a riot )
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Kaeru Nayiri
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:12:00 -
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The "meat on the bone" of the issue was that, given how the 3 concentric circle ewar falloff system works, and how range amplifiers work, the inner ring of suits could get way too big.
Inner ring had to be potent enough to give a heavy a last second chance against someone sneaking up on them, if they fit precision enhancers (it does this well).
Inner ring also had to be short enough to not result in melee/nova knife usage to become an absolute impossible task by alerting the victim too soon, before reaching thread range.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:13:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:Hmm, I understand that having contextual knowledge allowing a person to form a more educated opinion on a topic such as scannerina does indeed create a scenario that appears as bias. I feel like this is an exceptional thing however, because we are discussing the severity of an exploit.
Let's say we discussed Range Amplifiers, instead? How would that situation play out??
The opinions of a 50% Scout CPM would absolutely emphasize why it is important for intense-precision inner rings to be fixed at X meters before buffing the output of Range Amps. Failure to do so could cripple backstab gameplay.
The opinions of a 50% Logi, 50% Heavy or 50% Assault CPM may differ.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:14:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:Cross Atu wrote:[...] the night when of the infamous "I'm not fraggo I'm kaeru" moment I really just was kaeru ;_;
Haven't you ever heard the clothes make the man?
Consider what you were wearing at the time
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:18:00 -
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Everyone here should search my posts for 'Assault Rifle'.
"The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:19:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Kaeru Nayiri wrote:Cross Atu wrote:[...] the night when of the infamous "I'm not fraggo I'm kaeru" moment I really just was kaeru ;_; Haven't you ever heard the clothes make the man? Consider what you were wearing at the time
This is a very compromising suggestion. The only thing I was wearing at the time was a doughnut.
I AM NOT A STRIPPER. D:
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:25:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Posted - 2015.06.17 20:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
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I agree with you, Cross, in that we should weigh all available factors. But I think Jolly has a fair point. I would expect that a 50% Scout CPM would likely have a different take on things than a 50% Assault CPM, 50% Pilot CPM, or a 50% Logi CPM. Pretty much everyone here runs multiple suits and multiple roles, but at heart we identify most closely with Scouts. If you elected 3 of the most reasonable voices here to CPM, I would expect their advice to Rattati to be disproportionately scout-centric and unified (even if they tried their hardest to be fair and suppress bias). I don't think it unfair to express concern that the same might be the case with other classes. Example: GalLogi scans (of course). Lots and lots of players have a problem with them, but lots of reasonable Logis will tell you that they're fine. This is perhaps a gray area as player opinion varies and "tactical benefit" metrics aren't readily available. Let's say Rattati entertained the prospect that their operational risk might be out of balance with the tactical benefit they provide their team. If CPM were > 50% Logi, is there any chance that their advice to Rattati would be different from that of a CPM which was not > 50% Logi? My two cents, of course.
There's always a chance, never meant to say otherwise and hope that it didn't come across that way. Bias is a real thing, which is why identifying it (hopefully a thing that the candidates themselves are willing and able to do) and accounting for it (a thing that an effective CPM needs to be able to do) are in my view vastly more important that being free of it (not likely to ever happen) or stacking the council in such a way as to negate it (honestly pretty unlikely unless we switch to a role based rep system, which could work as I've done things in that context as community rep in another game).
To highlight what I mean using your example, my reply to your last post about GalLogi scans was to state that I did not agree with you that they were OP but rather would say that they were broken in ways that are both UP and OP depending on the case and context and to further elaborate on where I saw the specific areas of that playing out. I also stated that within the are of OP risks I'd be totally comfortable with the base values of the scanners themselves being nerf'ed such that the combined racial synergy+scanner was not over performing, but that I didn't want them touched until a full sweep on them could be properly done.
Now that last aspect, that's an aspect of my bias as I do support granulated change but the earning situation is already bad for support play (not the same thing as consistently running a logistics frame, just so we're clear, because you can certainly run logi and not play support) so I'm resistant to the idea of making it worse without other aspects being address.
Now, there are a few key things in that. First being that I have conversations on the subject somewhat consistently, with you, with Ru, etc. and actually try new fits and methods of play to see what various things are like from another angle.
Second is that when asked for any comment on it from CCP any concerns I voice derived from my own play style bias are explicitly tagged as such. And third is that CCP in put requests are responded to, first and foremost, with what community feedback I am privy to, not just my own impressions of a particular subject.
The point being that while knowing the knowledge base and potential bias of a candidate is absolutely relevant it is a bad primary focus point because being knowledgeable and well spoken for example, are both assets to being a CPM but they become detriments to the value of that CPM station if they are possessed by someone who is unable/unwilling to address their own bias, attempt to step outside of it, and most importantly represent the community before their own personal agendas. I would rather have a CPM composed 100% of one role, but composed of people who do their utmost to supply CCP with community feedback. Than to have a CPM composed of seven different roles all of which are doing their best to put forth role centric (or even worse purely personally driven) agendas.
The other pitfall of voting based on role, even just labeling experience in that context rather than more broadly assessing the skill set of the individual in question, is the elephant in the room that Dust has wrestled with since its inception.
That being a lack of clear role definition. Look at my CPM threads on Commandos and Logis, there is much debate about the nature of those roles. Look at the pages of the shop here, we all know there is the same. And those conversations are primarily composed of people who identify as being someone who 'mains' that role. Expand the discussion outward to include what those who do not main the role think the role is/should be and you get even more disparity in definition of terms.
So look at how someone plays by all means I fully support that, but I remain deeply wary of the notion that applying role based labels is a good voting criteria especially if it applied as anything other than an explicitly secondary method of evaluation.
Look at it this way, who provides better input on what the shop thinks, any single bastard here voicing their personal view, or someone (even a 'non-scout') who reports to CCP the collective stance/discussion that happens here in the shop?
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