Guys, I need your help in regards to this comment in my blog:


How may of you genuinely believe that I can eventually become as good as musturd, or maybe even surpass him?

Has anyone actually ever been in a duel with musturd???


I am not lying, no word of a dirty mouth I have had a 1 on 1 duel with him...3 times


Won 1 duel at a CRU (I didn't realize it was him until he sent me 'GG Duel' mail)

The other 2 duels he pulled out a flaylock pistol and shot me down :(

I would

If he stopped ego-stroking on the forums trying to look like jesus with knives

Since when is having confidence in your goal ego-stoking?

Bragging about pubs? Bragging about scores?
What people think of him?
thinking he can be better than mr musturd is in itself just outright cocky.


I would be impressed with a 'Hey watch this video where i get a 30 kill game vs Ancient Exiles using knives!'

That was basically musturd in his prime (without easy mode cloak)

All day. Everyday.


Dreis i challenge you. If you are so good as a knifer, run NO cloak for 7 days....see how you perform without it

Using no cloak would make him 100 % better knifer


It is up to him if he wants to be known among the minjas...the good ones

Has anyone actually ever been in a duel with musturd???


I am not lying, no word of a dirty mouth I have had a 1 on 1 duel with him...3 times


Won 1 duel at a CRU (I didn't realize it was him until he sent me 'GG Duel' mail)

The other 2 duels he pulled out a flaylock pistol and shot me down :(

The other 2 duels he pulled out a flaylock pistol and shot me down :(

It seems you have that no cloak elitist attitude that a lot of scout including me had when cloaks dropped.

Moody
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Musturd
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Currently (if your name isn't on here it is because i have never played with you, even if you are worthy of my list)
Dreis
The D1CK
xavier
X-LA
Ryumi
KingThunderDick
Frosy Kitty
501st
Tibs

RE: Dreis being arrogant


Just a tad, but it's not really worth calling him out over it.

It's not like this kind of behaviour isn't endemic around here anyway. Calling yourself a legend is never going to be anything other than an ego ****, and the same goes for a lot of similar things.

KTB doesnt count. At all. Ever. Kitty mains shotty. The rest are decent. Ive ran with you alot, your not usually this bitter or shallow.

Do you preach to all your friends, or do you only preach here?
No offense intended. I'm honestly curious.

It's not like this kind of behaviour isn't endemic around here anyway. Calling yourself a legend is never going to be anything other than an ego ****, and the same goes for a lot of similar things.

I 'preach' to whoever I damned well please.

I don't particularly care if it upsets you.

Im joking about KingThunderDick...and i am not Joel II X lol


FYI i have never played with you parkour

Zatara's a tough one to peg.

His commitment cannot be questioned; he traveled to FanFest on his own dime (as did Aeon Amadi and Keval Longstride). He's intelligent and articulate. An excellent tactician and a decent Field Commander. He's sufficiently charismatic to lead a number of top-tier Scouts, including Ghost, Arkena, TTW, Tranq, Fusion, and Borimir (among others).

He is prone to talking constantly and throwing fits in combat; this lack of com discipline detracts from his strong tactical sense. Additionally, his ego can be unchecked at times; he's given to boasting when things go well and browbeating when things do not. Zatara is young; we all have our weaknesses; these are things he may outgrow and/or learn to manage.

I get the same feeling about him being disingenuous; can't tell you why exactly. Ghost and Arkena have known him longer than I have; what do you guys think?

As a person?

I just think he's a normal human being - merits and flaws. He's quite... enthusiastic in his FCing style but as you noted Shotty he's young. It's not exactly unusual to get excitable in matches where things are at stake.

I like him. I've not been in contact with him as much as some others in FA/TLoD and I've only recently started to take an interest in him as an actual CPM candidate (I was commenting on anti-DNS fervour when his candidacy piqued my interest) but I'm probably going to end up putting him on my ballot. I'm sure some of you might immediately assume I'm biased but I wouldn't put him on there if I didn't believe he was suitable for the role.

I don't think he's being disingenuous at all.
Misguided on some topics, perhaps. But not disingenuous.



I don't see him as someone trying to screw over scouts. Now, that may go against the popular opinion here, but while Zatara was discussing things on the forums in various threads he was also asking me how I thought the changes should be done in order to -not- completely screw over scouts.

As I recall the Minmatar scout was a particular point of contention during the cloak dampening debate because without the dampening bonus from the cloak it would be much more possible to scan it. As well all know, that means death.

[16:46:54] Zatara Rought: what makes you think people feel the min is crap?
[16:47:25] Arkena Wyrnspire: Weak tank compared to the other scouts, lower utility, relatively weak bonuses (that can get outperformed by a gal with codebreakers) and relative easiness to scan.
[16:47:34] Arkena Wyrnspire: The main complaints I've read have been about dampening though
[16:47:38] Arkena Wyrnspire: Which is kind of the point of what you're saying
[16:47:43] Zatara Rought: yeah
[16:47:53] Zatara Rought: ok ok but i was wrong
[16:48:05] Arkena Wyrnspire: Even with dampening though I'd peg min as a fair bit weaker than Cal/Gal
[16:48:12] Zatara Rought: oh no doubt

[20:04:02] Zatara Rought: what if the advanced cloak had a 5% damp and the proto had 7.5%
[20:04:19] Zatara Rought: would that get min under 15 db?
[20:04:21] Arkena Wyrnspire: Off the top of my head I doubt there'll be much difference at all
[20:04:24] Arkena Wyrnspire: Min, specifically?
[20:04:25] Arkena Wyrnspire: Hm
[20:04:26] Arkena Wyrnspire: Let me see
[20:04:30] Zatara Rought: they are close already
[20:04:39] Zatara Rought: here's moody's post for reference
[20:05:04] Zatara Rought: Lowest Dampening possible or worth noting:
Caldari - 18.49 db w/ 2 complex damps (17.56 db while proto cloak active)
Minmatar - 15.85 db w/ 3 complex damps (15.05 db while proto cloak active)
Amarr - 14.73 db w/ 4 complex damps
Gallente -13.87 db w/ 2 complex damps
[20:05:46] Zatara Rought: if it's that close i think it could be worth it to get min right under with 3 complex damps
[20:05:53] Zatara Rought: if we argue for that slight buff

He specifically came to me, as a scout, to ask for my thoughts and to help him run numbers for suggestions.
The discussions I had with him were a bit disjointed - I didn't follow the thread fully and didn't understand where he was coming from sometimes - but having not really engaged in that type of discussion with him before I found it quite refreshing.

I thought he was being quite fair. He later commented on things such as the Galscout relative to the others, which although as an ardent Gallente supporter I was somewhat opposed to I do actually believe that he was being reasonable - it's quite obvious when one suit accounts for over 50% of the class usage that something is off.

Having looked through a handful of the posts in various relevant threads I can see that actually he was taking in ideas and feedback from the discussion and updating suggestions so they'd work better. I see that as a good thing.

I doubt I was the only person he was speaking to over Skype - I saw him in the 'Dust Scussion' major DUST Skype channel a few times (although as I was working, again, I didn't follow everything completely).

So that's my take on his recent actions.

EDIT: I'm sure some of the things I've said here are contentious. When dealing with nerfs, especially on a potentially class-wide scale, these things always are. Quibbling over balance points isn't what I'm talking about with this post though, it's more that actually Zatara isn't a slayer-logi-master-race demon demanding CCP delete scouts from DUST. Quite the opposite.

Paranoid and Reactionary, without question.
But you guys for keeping me grounded ... mostly :-)

If we hadn't had this conversation, I'd be accusing Zatara of former knowledge / intentional sabotage:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=163716&find=unread

I LIKE Zatara. He's a really cool guy once you get to know him, and can be very charismatic at times.

Yeah, He's young. His antics on comms make for funny stories and one-liners (PUSH CHARLIE!) and the guy is a great tactician. If something needs done, he will find a way to do it.

How that is done is in question here.

For example: A bit of PC history for FA.

When we were younger, we didn't have multiple roles. This made fighting AE hard, as they could do this. They would take an ADS with 3 people in it. All Slayer-Logi's. Harass infantry in the city. We couldn't take our HMG's off the point as the moment they switched to forge, the Slayers just jumped out and pushed the point.

You know what Zatara did?

"Keep the Heavies on the point. Someone grab fluxes."

We air-bursted fluxes on them and let the HMG's tear the now vulnerable shield ADS to shreds.

Elegant? No. Practical? Yes. It worked.

How does this tie into balance? It's a bit of insight into how he operates. He wants to fix the problem, and he will do what he thinks is necessary to do it, even if the solution isn't exactly the best way (In the PC, it was kinda the only way, but still). This could be both good and bad.

I do believe that he has the right ideas for game balance, and that his connections with other CEO's and his ability to convince Devs to follow his ideas is downright useful.

In short: He has everything it takes to be a CPM in my opinion. I guess it just comes down to whether or not you believe in his idea of balance. My vote will go toward him, and I'm not saying that as a member of his corp.

@ Ark - The conversation was a nice touch. He came to me in the CPM1 candidate chat and suggested the 7.5 bonus. To which I showed him the math on why it needed a minimum of 10 percent. For the sake of Min/Amarr suits with 3 damps.

He is adamant in his sentiment that dampening is an offensive power and scanning is a defensive one. He diverted the attention away from that by suggesting to take away shared passive scans to appease the people that thought they were being gimped.

But the Scout-chasers didn't know, and refused to believe, that passive scans were shared when they jumped ship from their slayer-logi to Cal-Scout

Taking away shared passive scans doesn't change the fact that gaining information is the offensive ability. Ambushing, Flanking, Front-Line. These are all tactics. Information in the form of scanning combats flanking and ambushing tactics. Dampening defends against scanning.

When it comes to EWAR he's far off the mark. When scanning is stronger than dampening it reduces the tactical level of game-play. Zatara has been a scannerina since before I met him. He has more emotional investment in scanning than I do in stealth.

His experience as an FC clouds his judgement in this matter.

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keep him the hell away from scouts and he has plenty of good ideas. None of them are original so he just advocates the stuff he hears from others, but when it isn't about scouts he's usually on the right track.

@ Appia

Makes sense. I think we should make a distinction between an accidental boning and an intentional one :-)

You're saying Zatara is wrong / misguided / hard-headed ...
You're not saying that he is purposefully trying to screw us ...
Right?

That was what I was saying, but this is just so much better: