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Adipem Nothi wrote:

I think we're pretty close to being on the same page here, Varoth. My take:

Are the AM Scout and its bonus useless? No.
Are the AM Scout and its bonus competitive? No.
Are AM Scout Passives better than Logi Passives? Yes.
Are AM Scout Passives significantly better than Logi Passives? No.
Are AM Scout Passives significantly worse than GalLogi Actives? Yes.

Does the AM Scout's bonus presently provide for it a unique and meaningful strength in competitive play? No.

Would the AM Scout bonus become more meaningful if Range Extenders and/or Falloff were retooled? Very likely. The question, is it a design goal for Passive Scans to compete with Active Scans? If not (which I believe to be the case), then the AM Scout needs a different bonus as its strength is inferior to and directly overlapped by the GalLogi. In my mind, there's a gap between AM Scout passives are useless and AM Scout passives are competitive; I believe we're presently somewhere in between, and I believe that we'll have to do better than that to see racial parity restored within the class.

Edit: All that said, I'd prioritize AM Scout changes below other infantry-related balance items ...

#1 - HP/Mobility Tradeoff
#2 - Polish Pass - Classes (CommandoGåæ LogiGåæ)
#3 - Polish Pass - Weapons (ScRGåô CRGåô LaserGåæ Breach ShotgunGåæ IoPGåæ MagsecGåæ)
#4 - Active Scanner Rework (team scanners v squad scanners, WP, if possible - scannerina fix, etc)
#5 - Racial Parity / Bonuses (+ö GA/CA Assault, AM Scout, CA Logi, etc)

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Spademan 6410	Posted - 2015.04.27 20:48:00 - [34531] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spademan wrote: Yeah but you're a FA scrub. stares I left, I can say that now What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 767	Posted - 2015.04.27 20:55:00 - [34532] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Flaylock Steve wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I used to do that. Then I started using the ASCR and now my KDR is going up again. Do you ever use scouts? Yes. Nice :D, What fits do you run with them? I'm sure I know what scout you use lol, gal scout most likely since you're a GAL lover lol. I never understood why people get so into their character race. I honestly don't know much about it but the gal home looks the best.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2370	Posted - 2015.04.27 21:00:00 - [34533] - Quote Flaylock Steve wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Flaylock Steve wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I used to do that. Then I started using the ASCR and now my KDR is going up again. Do you ever use scouts? Yes. Nice :D, What fits do you run with them? I'm sure I know what scout you use lol, gal scout most likely since you're a GAL lover lol. I never understood why people get so into their character race. I honestly don't know much about it but the gal home looks the best. He's a minja Mostly I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Vyuru Algintal Core Gallente Federation 160	Posted - 2015.04.27 21:13:00 - [34534] - Quote How do you change your station? I know there is a way, I just can't find out how. Currently in a Gallente station, thinking of changing it to an Amarrian one. Also, WOOOO!!! Skins!!! I can't wait to make all my scout suits look pretty!!! Now not only will I be punching people in the spleen and beating them to death with their own skull, I'll be doing it..... IN STYLE!!!!
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2863	Posted - 2015.04.27 21:13:00 - [34535] - Quote Vyuru wrote: How do you change your station? I know there is a way, I just can't find out how. Currently in a Gallente station, thinking of changing it to an Amarrian one. Also, WOOOO!!! Skins!!! I can't wait to make all my scout suits look pretty!!! Now not only will I be punching people in the spleen and beating them to death with their own skull, I'll be doing it..... IN STYLE!!!! You can try sending in a ticket. People find this this review helpful!
Spademan 6412	Posted - 2015.04.27 21:14:00 - [34536] - Quote You used to be able to file a ticket to do it, but I think I remember a GM saying at some point the service was no longer available. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9807	Posted - 2015.04.27 21:22:00 - [34537] - Quote Humorous Rattati post of the day. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23542	Posted - 2015.04.27 21:28:00 - [34538] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Flaylock Steve wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Flaylock Steve wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I used to do that. Then I started using the ASCR and now my KDR is going up again. Do you ever use scouts? Yes. Nice :D, What fits do you run with them? I'm sure I know what scout you use lol, gal scout most likely since you're a GAL lover lol. I never understood why people get so into their character race. I honestly don't know much about it but the gal home looks the best. He's a minja Mostly Not quite. Across my characters, the only scout I don't have is the Amarr scout. When scouting, I mostly spend my time in the Galscout. I sometimes use the Calscout because damn, that wiggle + ubershields and decent scans is nice. I use the Minscout when the urge to knife strikes me. I'm sort of at that point where I have every suit I really want. Of all my suits, though, the main two I use are the Galscout and Galassault. Sometimes I use the Galmando, but recently I've become addicted to officer gear and that's less necessary in an officer gk.0. Speaking of officer gk.0s, that scout is amaaaaazing. I had 11 of them on one of my characters and I'm down to 4 now but I've had a blast with them. I've probably been fitting them in a manner that some folks here would disapprove of, though... Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Spademan 6412	Posted - 2015.04.27 22:00:00 - [34539] - Quote Look Dreis, you're forum famous. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2071	Posted - 2015.04.27 22:16:00 - [34540] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Would I have you guys' support if I wrote a Nova Knife/Minja guide? totally against it, you fake minja, you! "When a whole game you knife only, then ready you will be, mm-mm, yeeees...."

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9808	Posted - 2015.04.27 22:22:00 - [34541] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Would I have you guys' support if I wrote a Nova Knife/Minja guide? totally against it, you fake minja, you! "When a whole game you knife only, then ready you will be, mm-mm, yeeees...." Lol. Your death is famous too. (See Spade's post above) Way to get taken out by a militia AR Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 768	Posted - 2015.04.27 22:56:00 - [34542] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Not quite. Across my characters, the only scout I don't have is the Amarr scout. When scouting, I mostly spend my time in the Galscout. I sometimes use the Calscout because damn, that wiggle + ubershields and decent scans is nice. I use the Minscout when the urge to knife strikes me. I'm sort of at that point where I have every suit I really want. Of all my suits, though, the main two I use are the Galscout and Galassault. Sometimes I use the Galmando, but recently I've become addicted to officer gear and that's less necessary in an officer gk.0. Speaking of officer gk.0s, that scout is amaaaaazing. I had 11 of them on one of my characters and I'm down to 4 now but I've had a blast with them. I've probably been fitting them in a manner that some folks here would disapprove of, though... I see, I only have 2 dropsuits that I skilled into. Minja level 5, Gal level 5. The other suits I have are "Dren" dropsuits. Not sure what I should invest into next, might go into assault but it will take a while for me to kill into proto level + dmg mods and such. and btw love the art lol, despite what happened earlier in this thread you seem like a cool dude xD, hope we can squad up sometime
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 761	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:16:00 - [34543] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: I really like this guy ! Can we keep him?? Been here a long time. Sadly I don't manage to post much, I mainly lurk. The thread can move fast, it takes me a while to read the latest stuff and even longer to think up a comment. Thanks though
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 766	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:18:00 - [34544] - Quote Dat Thukker scout! Never been a huge fan of the Min scout's colours, so I'm pretty excited about this.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3258	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:28:00 - [34545] - Quote Spademan wrote: Look Dreis, you're forum famous. \o/ This is all I ever wanted... I went 32/5 in that match, stabbed Beast right in his hindquarters. I hope he uploads the vid... Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 11/30 exclusively Minja
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9810	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:28:00 - [34546] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Dat Thukker scout! Never been a huge fan of the Min scout's colours, so I'm pretty excited about this. The Marine looked pretty good too. I like the Marine Min Heavy. Reminds me of a cow. Wearing that on my commando would entertain me greatly. I would have to rename my Minmando fits Elsie. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3258	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:28:00 - [34547] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Dat Thukker scout! Never been a huge fan of the Min scout's colours, so I'm pretty excited about this. I personally love the Minja blue. But this will be an interesting change. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 11/30 exclusively Minja
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 767	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:31:00 - [34548] - Quote @Adipem Amarr scouts again. I agree we mostly agree (lol). I still think you can't directly compare logi passive or active scans to scout passives, as they have different roles. But logi actives will clearly, at times, make scout passives redundant as they will have already highlighted enemies to the scout. But yes, I see that the Amarr scout doesn't seem to have a competitive purpose compared to other scouts, what with their passives being nerfed and active scans replacing them at times. Though you can't discount the usefulness of always on, 360 degree passives, even with Gal logis in your team. What would be ideal would be the opinion of a serious Amarr scout user, who has tried them in competitive settings, and their feelings on how the suit compares to other scouts. Anyway, they are almost certainly subpar. Probably a lower priority balance issue, but an issue non-the-less. Maybe the wider community would be receptive to a biotics bonus. Excited by Rattati's comments on cloaks and assaults. Swapping assault speeds with logis is something I have previously spoken out against, as I worry about the importance of speed to the assault class. But thinking about it now, it would probably be great for balancing both assaults and logis.
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2072	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:43:00 - [34549] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Excited by Rattati's comments on cloaks and assaults. Swapping assault speeds with logis is something I have previously spoken out against, as I worry about the importance of speed to the assault class. But thinking about it now, it would probably be great for balancing both assaults and logis. what? Unless they've somehow successfully nerfed logis so that they are no longer viable as "slayers", i think that there should be no speed swapping.. they should both have equally slow speeds. And neither of them should get anywhere close to the speed of the slowest scout.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 767	Posted - 2015.04.27 23:49:00 - [34550] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: I think we're pretty close to being on the same page here, Varoth. My take: Are the AM Scout and its bonus useless? No. Are the AM Scout and its bonus competitive? No. Are AM Scout Passives better than Logi Passives? Yes. Are AM Scout Passives significantly better than Logi Passives? No. Are AM Scout Passives significantly worse than GalLogi Actives? Yes. Does the AM Scout's bonus presently provide for it a unique and meaningful strength in competitive play? No. Would the AM Scout bonus become more meaningful if Range Extenders and/or Falloff were retooled? Very likely. The question, is it a design goal for Passive Scans to compete with Active Scans? If not (which I believe to be the case), then the AM Scout needs a different bonus as its strength is inferior to and directly overlapped by the GalLogi. In my mind, there's a gap between AM Scout passives are useless and AM Scout passives are competitive; I believe we're presently somewhere in between, and I believe that we'll have to do better than that to see racial parity restored within the class. Edit: All that said, I'd prioritize AM Scout changes below other infantry-related balance items ... #1 - HP/Mobility Tradeoff #2 - Polish Pass - Classes (CommandoGåæ LogiGåæ) #3 - Polish Pass - Weapons (ScRGåô CRGåô LaserGåæ Breach ShotgunGåæ IoPGåæ MagsecGåæ) #4 - Active Scanner Rework (team scanners v squad scanners, WP, if possible - scannerina fix, etc) #5 - Racial Parity / Bonuses (+ö GA/CA Assault, AM Scout, CA Logi, etc) I should have quoted your post. I think I've commented on your first section. Range extenders. I've kind of got cold feet about it. Don't want things to get messed up. The inner ring can't be buffed, it's too powerful. If the inner ring was fixed, or extenders only affected the outer ring, perhaps extenders should be buffed to somewhere between current values an the originals. Maybe 30% at proto. It's a shame to lose a module, but better than messing up the delicate EWAR balance. Balance priority. I'd probably go for this: #1 - HP/Mobility Tradeoff (if it's happening it's got to happen first. Expect assault QQ). #2 - Polish Pass - Classes (CommandoGåæ LogiGåæ) Yes, but beware logi power creep #3 - Polish Pass - Weapons (Breach SMGGåô Breach ShotgunGåæ IoPGåæ MagsecGåæ) #4 - Active Scanner Rework (team WP, if possible - scannerina fix, etc) #5 - Racial Parity / Bonuses (+ö GA/CA Assault, AM Scout, CA Logi, etc)

Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3264	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:05:00 - [34551] - Quote Dreis' Blog - The Road to Redemption Day 11 - Casual Stabbin' Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 11/30 exclusively Minja
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 768	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:11:00 - [34552] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Excited by Rattati's comments on cloaks and assaults. Swapping assault speeds with logis is something I have previously spoken out against, as I worry about the importance of speed to the assault class. But thinking about it now, it would probably be great for balancing both assaults and logis. what? Unless they've somehow successfully nerfed logis so that they are no longer viable as "slayers", i think that there should be no speed swapping.. they should both have equally slow speeds. And neither of them should get anywhere close to the speed of the slowest scout. In the recent biomassed podcast, Rattati mentioned he is considering swapping assault and logi speeds to maintain the hp/speed tradeoff across all suits. To be honest, I don't feel this would be enough to produce slayer logis considering the scale of the buffs assaults received, and I reckon slightly slower assaults could still hold their own against commandos. I find it unlikely fast logis would oust scouts. Their profiles, regen and stamina are too poor to compete in the scout sphere of expertise, a set of very specific skills as Jolly might say. Improvements to cloaks would help keep scouts secure in the game. I think logis could be a bit better at support without being OP, except for scans which don't need a buff. The problem would be, if they sped up logis, then proceeded to try and implement hp buffs etc, which is something I have seen advocated on the forums a fair bit. The class buffing that has happened since the release of Uprising started as a result of logis being OP. Yes they were kind of nerfed a little, but if they become too powerful we will have gone full circle. I don't want a never ending cycle of power creep.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2675	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:32:00 - [34553] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: What do you think my chances are of convincing a GM to return my blog to GD if I were to claim it's purpose was to explore how a player becomes dedicated to a particular role, and how this dedication can be naturally rewarded by the game? The Locker Room is covered with slime and sticky white stuff... >>>>preferring GD over the locker room http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/365/147/136.gif Also the mention of sticky white stuff reminds me of the Demon's Souls playthrough I'm doing Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2675	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:35:00 - [34554] - Quote Spademan wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-dust-514-skin-modules/?_ga=1.224489113.240384857.1397159821 No Syndicate colour. ::Sadface Fashion 514 incoming! I hope this adds some longevity to the game, I personally don't care about visual customization (beyond the time it takes to discover the stealthiest skin for a minja) but I know a lot of people like stuff like this. Next step, fashion souls Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2675	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:36:00 - [34555] - Quote Spademan wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-dust-514-skin-modules/?_ga=1.224489113.240384857.1397159821 No Syndicate colour. ::Sadface Fashion 514 incoming! I hope this adds some longevity to the game, I personally don't care about visual customization (beyond the time it takes to discover the stealthiest skin for a minja) but I know a lot of people like stuff like this. Next step, fashion souls Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2072	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:36:00 - [34556] - Quote On a completely difrent topic... after experimenting with dual reds for a knife-only fit.. and finding amarr with 3, to be.. a little disappointing.. I grudgingly decided to try out gallente scout 3xred. hm. only 10.7 instead of 10.4 for amarr. shouldnt make much difference. (tries it out) HOLEEYCRUDTHISISFAST!!! I have to tweak my reaction/lead times now >.< but wow. talk about making latency work for you There was a logic all turtled up in the bridge objective. He had just completed hack,a nd was turned around, squatting, ready to blow away anyone who came in. I just ran in and knifed him. BOOM. wow. my recrd wasnt great.. 7kill 2 assists 8 deaths. but I got 1138 WP and toped the leader board. lol? all knifing, except for 1 plasma cannon shot when they kept hiding behind a turret
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9813	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:38:00 - [34557] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: What do you think my chances are of convincing a GM to return my blog to GD if I were to claim it's purpose was to explore how a player becomes dedicated to a particular role, and how this dedication can be naturally rewarded by the game? The Locker Room is covered with slime and sticky white stuff... >>>>preferring GD over the locker room http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/365/147/136.gif Also the mention of sticky white stuff reminds me of the Demon's Souls playthrough I'm doing You and I play games ENTIRELY different. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2802	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:55:00 - [34558] - Quote So I got startled by a cloaked scout tonight. Went in for the hack, wait a second..wait they.. ahhh jumps. Rest is in the vid lol. Speed swap doesn't bother me ether way, it'll affect 2 suits of my suits. I started using the gal assault to combat other assaults, I might be a lil slower on the feet. So will the ones I go after though. Cloaks, just something I choose to pretend don't exist. About all I can say on those things. The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD TheYoutube
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3265	Posted - 2015.04.28 00:56:00 - [34559] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: What do you think my chances are of convincing a GM to return my blog to GD if I were to claim it's purpose was to explore how a player becomes dedicated to a particular role, and how this dedication can be naturally rewarded by the game? The Locker Room is covered with slime and sticky white stuff... >>>>preferring GD over the locker room http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/365/147/136.gif Also the mention of sticky white stuff reminds me of the Demon's Souls playthrough I'm doing I just thought that GD got more views... My words need to be read!!! Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 11/30 exclusively Minja
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2804	Posted - 2015.04.28 01:03:00 - [34560] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: What do you think my chances are of convincing a GM to return my blog to GD if I were to claim it's purpose was to explore how a player becomes dedicated to a particular role, and how this dedication can be naturally rewarded by the game? The Locker Room is covered with slime and sticky white stuff... >>>>preferring GD over the locker room http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/365/147/136.gif Also the mention of sticky white stuff reminds me of the Demon's Souls playthrough I'm doing I just thought that GD got more views... My words need to be read!!! Just leave the thing in the locker room post a link to it in GD problem solved XD The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD TheYoutube



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