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voidfaction
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:52:00 -
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Starting to wonder why this is not cQc Scouts United. None talking about Sniper Scout. Hey guess what 1.2 didn't do anything to my K/D ratio. It's still going up. I still am hard to be found do to all my profile dampening. only thing changed is I now have to actually try when i aim my rifle since leg/foot/arm shots no longer count as a hit. (no more killing turret hackers from there feet). From the post here the requirements should be a short range weapon with the scout suit because it seems you all think scout is only the ninja running shotgun or some other cQc combat weapon.
Scout: A soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements. But for how most see it in this game its a ninja that runs ahead of the group to kill everything they see head on vs running ahead of the group to actually scout and maybe find a nice place to hide to jump out from behind after a friendly squad comes in to attack. You know you can have the highest K/D ration in every game but if your TEAM loses your still a loser
I play a sniper scout. I do not join squads becase for what I have been told enemy I see goes on EVERYONEs radar where as if i was in a squad what i see is only shown on squads radar. I'm a scout for the team not just a squad so if I see 6 enemeys moving in on an objective i am helping the team with enemy positions as I am also giving them sniper cover and support. I can see the ninja hiding in the corners of what seems to be empty objectives to allow ground to know he is there even if i cant shoot them. If I had a mic I could be alot more helpful but still what good is that when all the squads wont here me and I dont join a squad because I play for the team not the squad that and the fact voice glitches and lag in this game is terrible.
So I keep asking myself what are all these fast running ninjas doing i see just running everywhere. your not hidden in my scope and really easy targets for me as I sit behind a rock and enjoy my cigarette letting you run till you get farther away or in a position harder to figure out my position. All that running and gunning is called scouting? |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
173
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:40:00 -
[302] - Quote
I think the reason that you don't see a lot of posts relating to sniper scouts is because many, many snipers have opted out of the scout suit. Some very good snipers have been very vocal about using Medium suits for sniping due to the lack of advantages they perceive when using the scout suit to snipe:
1.) Low benefit from the reduced scan profile or precision (as scan range on most suits in only 10m anyway, and snipers are typically far away) 2.) Low HP so inability to tank counter sniper fire 3.) Low number of high slots for damage mods 4.) Low benefit from scouts additional speed/mobility
While I don't think sniper scouts personally are as disadvantaged as many make out, I believe I (and you, apparently) are in the minority. There are many scouts here. Welcome, if you decide to stay. Another opinion is always welcome. |
Heavenly Daughter
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
97
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:08:00 -
[303] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Zatara Rought wrote: Do snipers not count?
Absolutely, so long as they brave all odds and snipe in a scout/light suit (i.e. Spec Ops Cipher) Zatara Rought wrote: Did I mention Reflex is still a scout if i'm right, just running sniper now?
I'll adjust his entry. Still waiting to hear back from him in-game to confirm past/present scout. Zatara Rought wrote: gem cutter? trollsroyce? heavenly daughter?
Sent in-game inquiries. Thanks for the new names! Edit: TrollsRoyce - No way this guy's a scout. KDR is near 30. he's possibly the best sniper of all time. He used to have a kdr of 45.11 before he played pc. He might still be a scout. More than exraple ever was Edit: Heavenly Daughter also had a kdr over 30, never seen the killer, just been sniped, but I think she's potentially a scout as well.
No, I Used to run scout for a time before Chrome, now I just run as a Cal/Gall Logi , as for Gem, i think he always ran in Assault but dont quote me there, Trollsroyce was always a heavy. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
230
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:20:00 -
[304] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:Starting to wonder why this is not cQc Scouts United. None talking about Sniper Scout. Hey guess what 1.2 didn't do anything to my K/D ratio. It's still going up. I still am hard to be found do to all my profile dampening. only thing changed is I now have to actually try when i aim my rifle since leg/foot/arm shots no longer count as a hit. (no more killing turret hackers from there feet). From the post here the requirements should be a short range weapon with the scout suit because it seems you all think scout is only the ninja running shotgun or some other cQc combat weapon.
Scout: A soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements. But for how most see it in this game its a ninja that runs ahead of the group to kill everything they see head on vs running ahead of the group to actually scout and maybe find a nice place to hide to jump out from behind after a friendly squad comes in to attack. You know you can have the highest K/D ration in every game but if your TEAM loses your still a loser
I play a sniper scout. I do not join squads becase for what I have been told enemy I see goes on EVERYONEs radar where as if i was in a squad what i see is only shown on squads radar. I'm a scout for the team not just a squad so if I see 6 enemeys moving in on an objective i am helping the team with enemy positions as I am also giving them sniper cover and support. I can see the ninja hiding in the corners of what seems to be empty objectives to allow ground to know he is there even if i cant shoot them. If I had a mic I could be alot more helpful but still what good is that when all the squads wont here me and I dont join a squad because I play for the team not the squad that and the fact voice glitches and lag in this game is terrible.
So I keep asking myself what are all these fast running ninjas doing i see just running everywhere. your not hidden in my scope and really easy targets for me as I sit behind a rock and enjoy my cigarette letting you run till you get farther away or in a position harder to figure out my position. All that running and gunning is called scouting?
I'm confused (don't worry though, it's common). Our only participation requirement is that participants are Scouts. We have quite a few Scout Snipers in the Registry.
- Shotty |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
386
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:36:00 -
[305] - Quote
Just got my complex shield regs and I must say that this makes me a happy minja |
loumanchew
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:42:00 -
[306] - Quote
It's king of ironic how the fact that we are the red headed step child has brought ppl together more than any other class. I'd love to see a thread like this with caldari logi's nurturing and bathing each other in their own OPness. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
958
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:52:00 -
[307] - Quote
Maybe they could buff sniping in a scout suit? You know... longer range... less recoil/recovery on firing... longer rendering when scoped.
If snipers are supposed to be scouts somebody is going about this the wrong way.
However, I have noticed that it's getting harder to counter snipe. These semi-heavy suits sitting on top of the world take a shot or two to the head at times and still don't go down.
How about we consider medium and heavy suits too amped, to heavy, to be subtle enough to allow for fine aiming and control or something. There really should be some benefit to giving up all our eHP other than being able to run around until someone spots us. What's our niche? |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
230
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:38:00 -
[308] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:What's our niche?
At present, we have no niche. Scout Snipers need a boost in efficacy as much as their CQC-oriented brothers. I've hunted down many a sniper on many a hill. It'd be cool if Scout snipers could vanish more effectively when hunted.
Since we're on the topic of sniping, I've petitioned CCP to add dinosaurs to stalk and eat red-line campers. Maybe Scout Snipers could be immune to dinosaur attacks too ?
- Shotty GoBang |
Ghost Kaisar
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
50
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:45:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:Guys, guys, I find that a lonely, humble scout can turn the tide in Skirm easily. Dom. it's a bit harder, for the number of hostiles in one spot. In OMS, it's amazing, but there's no point. It's really hard to notice other scouts doing the same, but I'm positve it happens. In skirm. I tip my hat to those scouts who go across the map with their one-equipment backpacks and hack that point. It's truly a small blessing.
I turn the tide in our favor and win. I can see this clearly. Sometimes when I go CQs, I am glad for the brave folks who hack objectives across the map it helps a ton!
It works in PC's at rare points. Played a game vs. OSG and happened to notice that they left E unguarded except for one guy. Knifed him, and hacked the objective. 5 people spawned in right before the hack finished and I ran back to the bridge. They seemed to forget about my teammates as they chased me down and ran into my teams fire on open ground. We took the objective and held it for awhile until they retook their anchor.
Not a big victory, but defiantly turned the tide. We won by about 3 ticks on the MCC, and that cap probably won the game in the long run. |
voidfaction
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:54:00 -
[310] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote:voidfaction wrote:Starting to wonder why this is not cQc Scouts United. None talking about Sniper Scout. Hey guess what 1.2 didn't do anything to my K/D ratio. It's still going up. I still am hard to be found do to all my profile dampening. only thing changed is I now have to actually try when i aim my rifle since leg/foot/arm shots no longer count as a hit. (no more killing turret hackers from there feet). From the post here the requirements should be a short range weapon with the scout suit because it seems you all think scout is only the ninja running shotgun or some other cQc combat weapon.
Scout: A soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements. But for how most see it in this game its a ninja that runs ahead of the group to kill everything they see head on vs running ahead of the group to actually scout and maybe find a nice place to hide to jump out from behind after a friendly squad comes in to attack. You know you can have the highest K/D ration in every game but if your TEAM loses your still a loser
I play a sniper scout. I do not join squads becase for what I have been told enemy I see goes on EVERYONEs radar where as if i was in a squad what i see is only shown on squads radar. I'm a scout for the team not just a squad so if I see 6 enemeys moving in on an objective i am helping the team with enemy positions as I am also giving them sniper cover and support. I can see the ninja hiding in the corners of what seems to be empty objectives to allow ground to know he is there even if i cant shoot them. If I had a mic I could be alot more helpful but still what good is that when all the squads wont here me and I dont join a squad because I play for the team not the squad that and the fact voice glitches and lag in this game is terrible.
So I keep asking myself what are all these fast running ninjas doing i see just running everywhere. your not hidden in my scope and really easy targets for me as I sit behind a rock and enjoy my cigarette letting you run till you get farther away or in a position harder to figure out my position. All that running and gunning is called scouting? I'm confused (don't worry though, it's common). Our only participation requirement is that participants be Scouts. It is true that many here are CQC-oriented Scouts, but we have quite a few Scout Snipers in the Registry as well. You sound like a Scout Sniper. Would you like to join the Scout Registry? - Shotty
I had posted a few days ago for an add to the registry and already in the Scouts United channel. Seems like a great community. I was just starting to think it seems more cQc oriented. So was wondering is this the right place for me. |
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First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
239
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:19:00 -
[311] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:I had posted a few days ago for an add to the registry and already in the Scouts United channel. Seems like a great community. I was just starting to think it seems more cQc oriented. So was wondering is this the right place for me. Shotty's added other scout snipers to registry, so it's nothing against your class. He just made a mistake and missed you.
I think it might be the new strafe speeds. They make him miss a lot. |
voidfaction
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:26:00 -
[312] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Niuvo wrote:Guys, guys, I find that a lonely, humble scout can turn the tide in Skirm easily. Dom. it's a bit harder, for the number of hostiles in one spot. In OMS, it's amazing, but there's no point. It's really hard to notice other scouts doing the same, but I'm positve it happens. In skirm. I tip my hat to those scouts who go across the map with their one-equipment backpacks and hack that point. It's truly a small blessing.
I turn the tide in our favor and win. I can see this clearly. Sometimes when I go CQs, I am glad for the brave folks who hack objectives across the map it helps a ton! It works in PC's at rare points. Played a game vs. OSG and happened to notice that they left E unguarded except for one guy. Knifed him, and hacked the objective. 5 people spawned in right before the hack finished and I ran back to the bridge. They seemed to forget about my teammates as they chased me down and ran into my teams fire on open ground. We took the objective and held it for awhile until they retook their anchor. Not a big victory, but defiantly turned the tide. We won by about 3 ticks on the MCC, and that cap probably won the game in the long run.
Same with a the lonely sniper sitting 400m away that kills the 1, 2, 3+ enemy coming to kill you as your hacking. or done killed the sniper waiting on someone to come hack the objective. or are the reason the objective is unprotected in the first place. team work turn the tide. I dont hack objectives because my optimal range is 400m but I can make your trip to objective E a little safer ;-) |
voidfaction
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:53:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:I think the reason that you don't see a lot of posts relating to sniper scouts is because many, many snipers have opted out of the scout suit. Some very good snipers have been very vocal about using Medium suits for sniping due to the lack of advantages they perceive when using the scout suit to snipe:
1.) Low benefit from the reduced scan profile or precision (as scan range on most suits in only 10m anyway, and snipers are typically far away) 2.) Low HP so inability to tank counter sniper fire 3.) Low number of high slots for damage mods 4.) Low benefit from scouts additional speed/mobility
While I don't think sniper scouts personally are as disadvantaged as many make out, I believe I (and you, apparently) are in the minority. There are many scouts here. Welcome, if you decide to stay. Another opinion is always welcome.
1.) From my testing scan profile does make a big difference at range and I notice the difference on how easy the enemy shows up on screen. heavies pop up without even getting close to looking at them. some gallente scouts have been 100m away and unless i had them targeted 100% no orange cheveron.
2.) I use a charge sniper rifle with 1 complex dmg mod with sniper rifle prof 4 and most things die in 1 shot aside from the shield and armor stackers but then they show up on my screen without even trying to spot them so not like they are much of a problem because spoting is the thing that comes before shooting. I prefer not to be seen to be shot in the first place.
3.) do I need more dmg mods when 1 shot is all it takes to kill most, 2 for the average stacker, and 3 for the hardcore stackers?
4.) speed, mobility, jumping higher by far helps get into positions of interest without being seen.
No I don't believe we are at a disadvantage at all. And if profile dampening is really broke as many seem to think then when/if it gets fixed we will be overpowered. |
voidfaction
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:09:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Crash Monster wrote:What's our niche? At present, we have no niche. Scout Snipers need a boost in efficacy as much as their CQC-oriented brothers. I've hunted down many a sniper on many a hill. It'd be cool if Scout snipers could vanish more effectively when hunted. Since we're on the topic of sniping, I've petitioned CCP to add dinosaurs to stalk and eat red-line campers. Maybe Scout Snipers could be immune to dinosaur attacks too ? - Shotty GoBang
I have people get mad at me for red-line sniping. I'm a sniper so I sit in a spot that gives me the best tactical view of as many objectives as possible some times that is in the red-line some times thats next to the enemy red-line. And because I know the good red-line sniping spots I hunt the red-line snipers frequently. People think red-line snipers are a bad thing because they can't kill them. Guess what I can't kill a tank either standing on top of it but I can call in for AV guys or switch to my scout AV to take care of it just the same as they can call in for anti-sniper to take me out.
I like dinosaurs. Can we get them on the MCC as well? Jump or get eaten. |
Ghost Kaisar
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
51
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:58:00 -
[315] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:I like dinosaurs. Can we get them on the MCC as well? Jump or get eaten.
LOL. +1 |
Ro Dusakk
All But Ambition
7
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:37:00 -
[316] - Quote
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
964
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:30:00 -
[317] - Quote
I came close to "taking a break" yesterday.
Instead, I'll do two things...
1 - Figure out if I was just tired and suffering from jet lag as the fun factor was sucking hard. 2 - Play at a safer range for scout sniping -- whether people like it or not.
I might also stop worrying about trying to drop uplinks, switching to swarms, and then later getting into nanohives for the long haul. Trying to do too many things makes it feel like work.
Edit: Damn, it's going take 1.2m SP to get that gallente scout to 5! |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
236
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:37:00 -
[318] - Quote
Brothers, I'll have a killboard update for you later this evening. Thank you for your patience in my absence.
From what I've read, it sounds like our Scout Snipers are adjusting readily to 1.2. How are our other Scouts faring? Any hot-fixes from CCP yet?
-Shotty GoBang |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
144
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:51:00 -
[319] - Quote
No Hotfixes as yet.
Its weird - sometimes I feel similar to 1.1 speed, sometimes I feel like I'm running in mud.
Edit: Just got my Proto but havent tried it out yet. Need to get my armour plating and scrambler rifle up to Lv3 first. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
240
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Posted - 2013.07.08 02:46:00 -
[320] - Quote
July 7th, 22:00 - Killboard Updated, see Page 1.
Accolades
- Marauder amasses over 36100 kills, overtaking Radar in the Killboard's first position.
- Aythadis Smith and JebusLuvsEverone progresses to Tier IV, having collected over 10,000 kills.
- Face McDudeson, Django Quik and xLtShinySideSx progresses to Tier III, having collected over 5000 kills.
- Revelations 514 progress to Tier II, having collected over 2500 kills.
- Bardas progresses to Tier I, having collected his 1000th kill.
Brothers Found
- Tier V - Alina Heart
- Tier III - pseudosnipre, thunderdick7
- Tier II - Asmadai
- Tier I - voidfaction, Kodho
- + Phazoid (794 kills and counting)
Brothers Lost
Scoutly newcomer Charles Crox appears to have terminated his account.
Killboard Revisions
- Corrected player name character casing.
- Reordered sections.
- Shortened/eliminated text blocks to free up characters (threshold remains at 1000 kills).
Happy Hunting, Shotty GoBang |
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Brynjar Reko
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
1
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Posted - 2013.07.08 03:24:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:Everyone fears a scout in CQC. Either with a shot gun or nova knives.
They may die a lot but hey are also great killers.
I fail to see why they are considered underpowered.
What are you saying needs to be buffed on them?
I think scouts being feared in CQC is not a direct causation the way you're thinking. Scouts are ONLY useful in CQC where hitting a fast target is difficult without a CQC weapon. The problem is that scouts aren't as good at this role than a logistics or assault suit with stacked shield and kinetic catalyzers attempting to fill this role.
Essentially the problem is that Logi and Assault have enough versatility that a well fitted suit will beat a well fitted scout or heavy at those suits' roles while still being able to be configured in distinctly assault or logi roles that scouts or heavies are ill suited for.
I'm not sure how to balance this out but I've heard of negative damage mods for logi suits, and that would be an interesting, if unpopular idea, though I feel like it would be more important to give scouts a bonus that ensures their superiority in SOME scouting role over a well fit logi or assault suit, in a way that is effective unlike profile dampening. |
Shakti Ishii
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.08 03:48:00 -
[322] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote:
Brothers Found
I'd like to remind you of my application.
Gallente Scout using SCR, SMG, & Sniper.
K/D: 1.24 Kills: 1310 |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
868
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:18:00 -
[323] - Quote
im #1 now :D |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
624
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:50:00 -
[324] - Quote
DJINN Marauder wrote:im #1 now :D
I've only seen you rock matches in a tank.
#1 tanker for sure perhaps.
scout?
doubtful. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
624
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:56:00 -
[325] - Quote
I think that this I'm #1 with 20k kills is bs and degenerates scouts. DJ maurauder, since forever, is a tanker. He isn't a ******* scout.
let's keep scouts to real scouts.
If he wants to support scouts with his tanks, fine. but he doesn't.
As a matter of fact, let's kick all the dudes who weekend warrior scout suits and gain their kills with blaster tanks off the list.
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DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
867
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:53:00 -
[326] - Quote
mollerz wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:im #1 now :D I've only seen you rock matches in a tank. #1 tanker for sure perhaps. scout? doubtful. you obviously dont know what the hell youre talkin about lol |
First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
363
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:57:00 -
[327] - Quote
As we know there's only one way to settle things around here.
Knife fight. |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:06:00 -
[328] - Quote
First Prophet wrote:As we know there's only one way to settle things around here.
Knife fight.
Knife fight |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
867
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:10:00 -
[329] - Quote
First Prophet wrote:As we know there's only one way to settle things around here.
Knife fight. can i knife him with my tank? |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2013.07.08 06:13:00 -
[330] - Quote
DJINN Marauder wrote:can i knife him with my tank?
Only if you strap the knife to your turret and cut him up with it. Might need some Minmatar Duct Tape though. |
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