Don't worry, this isn't going to fly. Only Jolly and I like it so far :-)

TLDR: 2Berries walked in to a conversation already in progress & only slightly knows what's going on.

Don't worry, this isn't going to fly. Only Jolly and I like it so far :-)

Don't worry, this isn't going to fly. Only Jolly and I like it so far :-)

elite pack, dren scout which is a gal scout, bought the merc pack as well and with aurum i got from them both stalked up on some suits xD. .....

NK not so bad because you have to get closer to use and get a charged swipe.

Good stuff, Void. Still good practice to put it up as an option then vet it thoroughly. Now way we can rule it out as a non-option, and everyone will be on the same page as to why.

I understand. Just keeping my opinion out there, lol
I know many might hate my ideas just as I hate theirs. Change is hard and not everyone gets what they want. I respect everyone here and know we all are for the most part looking to better our role. I enjoy coming here and trying to work out different directions for scout more then actually playing.
You do a great job pulling us all together to work on it too.

Still waiting to see Shotty for CMP2 in your sig. lol
You would have all my votes if you did. You deserve it and I think you would be a great CPM

Even if not, would this still be a viable tweak for MinScout, or does it just become a stealth double buff coz I struggle to fit equipment or nades on my ADV MinScout coz 2x KinCats or go home lol.

CMP2

Still waiting to see Shotty for CMP2 in your sig. lol
You would have all my votes if you did. You deserve it and I think you would be a great CPM

GalScout Proposal Feedback:
cloakblind effect smells off

I agree, Duncan. I'm having a hard time coming up with something unique/desirable/competitive for the GalScout. The backbone of this proposal is the dampener efficacy bonus, and with it, I truly believe we'd see more more evenly distributed usage rates and more variety in competitive play.

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Let's put our heads together and try to come up with something else for the GalScout; preferably something not cloak related.

I find the cloak duration and cool down fine as they are. I use the std often and it gives enough time to hide you as you climb a ladder, hack, heal, or move to cover to cover with what seems like instant recharge. I find the duration of the proto overkill.

I do not want to be pushed into a shotgun scout.
I could say a tac-ar bonus as that is what i use 90% of the time and I am sure those that use shotgun, rr, cr, etc would as well disagree with a tac-ar bonus. I do not want to be pushed into a CqC cookie cutter scout like the min scout is with its NK bonus. I want bonuses I can use with any weapon or no weapons as my main job is not killing it is hacking, sneaking, and destroying equipment.

So ... we've made some headway ... where does this leave us?


If we want to see Scout usage in PC evenly distributed, we have two options:

A) Duplicate the Scan Profile bonus across all races
B) Eliminate the Scan Profile bonus

With either A or B, dodging scans will require an equal degree of sacrifice regardless of race; this will shake the foundation of Gal/Cal PC superiority. If we opt for A, we'll have issues with MinScout balance due to high-speed hacks; the hacks will likely have to go. If we opt for B, we displace the GalScout's competitive edge, but in doing so we create opportunity to deescalate EWAR interplay.

I'm leaning toward B. What do you guys think? Are there any other options?

No chance, but I appreciate it. Means alot coming from a guy I just threw a barstool at.

Remember what I posted earlier about progression of dampening? You damp until the scans go away. Focused is made to scare you into running that third damp.

Gal Logi picks you up on objective with focused (He already knew where you were). Second logi pings you just before it expires.

Suddenly, you think they're spamming focused scans. They're not. But now you're running 3x damps and are less combat effective.

WORKS.

And now that logi can carry an AR and not be combat ineffective.

Taking what I've said and taking it to the extreme. I just said I've never seen it happen.

Things that are viable typically end up in PC. What I'm saying, is that there has to be SOME drawback to this, otherwise, I would be hearing about this "Tactic" every time I formed up for PC.

FC's would be asking, "Hey, do we have any KB/M scanners in here?".

I don't hear that. All I ever hear them ask for is Gal Logi Scanners, and then they get told to run "X" for their equipment.

What I'm asking here is this: IF it is possible to run KB/M and Controller at the same time, and have a script to do instant 360 scans, WHY am I not seeing it in PC? It sounds great on paper, but I've NEVER seen it in the field.

It's probably one of the following

A.) Much harder to do/achieve than it seems to be

B.) A lie

C.) Has some drawback that makes it less viable

D.) Is a brand new idea that hasn't taken off the ground yet.

Excellent points as always, Kaeru.

The MinScout is in pretty good shape. He has unique and meaningful bonuses, both of which are relevant even in competitive play. We could argue that there's too narrow a speed gap between MN Assault and MN Scout, but I don't think we could argue for a biotic bonus.

I would say there may be some ideas lurking in his playstyle - Void - any comments on these lists and what you think might be added to make a viable role?

I don't think we'd actually attack FA just yet. Our A-Team is still kinda Scout-heavy, and they have KB/M scannerinas.

Or would we.......................................

@ Duncan

I like the idea generally, though I think Precision/Range need split up. The old Cal Scouts pre Charlie were the worst with their long range, low dB scans.

Not to mention with the new EWAR circles, I would hate for Cal Scouts to pick up Shotgun Scouts on their inner circle before Shotgunners can even get into range.

Would rather see:

CA: 9 + 99
GA: 10 + 99

headshot bonus to weapons [...] we should kill quick and from behind and sneaky why should we not be getting head shots.

bonus to active scanner range [...] but that is a 1 equipment bonus that makes it the same as giving a single weapon bonus. not everyone wants to run a active scanner.

Good stuff, Duncan!

There's general consensus in opposition to Precision Bonuses and Alpha/DPS bonuses. What's your take on cloakblind and teamshare vs squadshare (active scanners)?