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Adipem Nothi wrote:

Jebus McKing wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Assumption
In case the Logis are interested.

The ~~Scout~~ Overhaul
* Replace label "Scout Suit" with " Pirate

Suit"
* Remove racial bonuses to Scan Range, Scan Precision, Scan Profile
* Set class Scan Range to > all but Logi
* Set class Scan Precision to < all but Logi
* Set class max Scan Profile < all active scans, all middle and outer rings
* Set class min Scan Profile = Logi inner scan ring (get close to the blob and it will detect you)
* Remove cloakblind
* Widen speed gap
* Add racial "while cloaked" status buff (i.e. MN +speed, CA +scan range, AM +reps, GA +something)
* Introduce class-restricted, high-alpha weapon variants (i.e. sniper rifle, shotgun, fine rifle, AV)
* etc, etc ...

When was the last time a Scout actually scouted anyway? We're halfway to assassin already. Twisted

As fun as overhauling ~~Scouts~~ would be, do you think moving more toward "blob warfare" would be a 'bit too linear and boring for other classes?

You know, most of the time I like your ideas, but many of them also involve changing A LOT of things all at once which makes them somewhat unlikely to make it into the game ever. Lol

Precisely my point.

If we believed competitive recon functions could be shared among AM Scout, CA Scout and GalLogi, we were mistaken; there is no competitive recon beyond that of the GalLogi. If Logis feel they need even better EWAR to compete, then let them have it. All of it.

But let's not pretend that Role Bleed isn't Role Bleed.
Let's call it what it is, and let's find a way to fix it.

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XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 364	Posted - 2015.02.28 00:44:00 - [30091] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Raven Wing Do you see this? Blaziken showed up less than a week ago, and he has already contributed an excellent and original idea. Gav's poop-to-gold ratio was something like 1:20. You owe us a solid idea, Raven. Or at the very least, less poop for awhile. What about golden poop? Don't make me have nightmares. Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1208	Posted - 2015.02.28 00:44:00 - [30092] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Raven Wing Do you see this? Blaziken showed up less than a week ago, and he has already contributed an excellent and original idea. Gav's poop-to-gold ratio was something like 1:20. You owe us a solid idea, Raven. Or at the very least, less poop for awhile. What about golden poop? All my internet instincts tell me not to click that link It is just a pic of the Amarr god. noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8093	Posted - 2015.02.28 00:49:00 - [30093] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Raven Wing Do you see this? Blaziken showed up less than a week ago, and he has already contributed an excellent and original idea. Gav's poop-to-gold ratio was something like 1:20. You owe us a solid idea, Raven. Or at the very least, less poop for awhile. What about golden poop? All my internet instincts tell me not to click that link It is just a pic of the Amarr god. I will be using both this quote and this link in the future. I love trolling the Amarr. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9972	Posted - 2015.02.28 00:50:00 - [30094] - Quote So, I got the Newsletter. Got my Solar Flaylock and Alex SMG Put them BOTH on a 3x damage modded Min Assault, and said "Screw it, I'm losing this sucker this match". Go 27-0 Get hatemail telling me this is why everyone hates FA and I'm killing the game. FFS people. I just had never used the things before and wanted to try them out. They're OP by the way. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 364	Posted - 2015.02.28 00:57:00 - [30095] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: So, I got the Newsletter. Got my Solar Flaylock and Alex SMG Put them BOTH on a 3x damage modded Min Assault, and said "Screw it, I'm losing this sucker this match". Go 27-0 Get hatemail telling me this is why everyone hates FA and I'm killing the game. FFS people. I just had never used the things before and wanted to try them out. They're OP by the way. Holy ****, I'm an intense flaylock user so I can''t wait until I try those out. Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 364	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:07:00 - [30096] - Quote Here's some nostalgia for you all, enjoy! Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 230	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:10:00 - [30097] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Here's some nostalgia for you all, enjoy! It's beautiful! Logi Forever Scout in Training Amarr by blood but won't use the suits until I have the sp
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 3053	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:19:00 - [30098] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Here's some nostalgia for you all, enjoy! Is it bad that I suddenly am overcome by a desire to play that build? *Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!"* - Edgar Allan Poe CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice. I will steal his hamsters!
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 367	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:25:00 - [30099] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Here's some nostalgia for you all, enjoy! Is it bad that I suddenly am overcome by a desire to play that build? Not at all Raven, go try show the world that the Breach Shotgun is still usable!!! You will probably fail epically, but at least you will have tried! Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
Spademan Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5968	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:27:00 - [30100] - Quote Breach Shotgun: Convert all damage to a single pellet. Make it pinpoint accurate. Jack up the damage to a stupid level. flies away to be less sleep deprived What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9972	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:43:00 - [30101] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: So, I got the Newsletter. Got my Solar Flaylock and Alex SMG Put them BOTH on a 3x damage modded Min Assault, and said "Screw it, I'm losing this sucker this match". Go 27-0 Get hatemail telling me this is why everyone hates FA and I'm killing the game. FFS people. I just had never used the things before and wanted to try them out. They're OP by the way. Holy ****, I'm an intense flaylock user so I can''t wait until I try those out. It had the fire rate of the old flaylock and an 8 round clip. 3x modded Alex's is a pocket HMG. 10/10 would lose again (I did lose them in a later match, along with my last Officer MD) Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9972	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:44:00 - [30102] - Quote By the way, LINK to my thread on preparing for the 5MCC. Get ready guys. It's gonna be a frag fest. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7031	Posted - 2015.02.28 01:48:00 - [30103] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Here's some nostalgia for you all, enjoy! I remember this video! The Chromosome Shotgun, brothers. I was an addicted newbro. The KR-17 was my favorite weapon. Jane and Annie were my heroes. I hadn't met any of you as I'd never been to Dust 514 Forums. Sometime later, Uprising 1.0 introduced a shotgun with a 5m optimal range. Which randomly shot blanks. It was quite the transition :-) I think this is my very first post (if it isn't, it is close to it): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=840009#post840009 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1902	Posted - 2015.02.28 03:31:00 - [30104] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: voidfaction wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Raven Wing Do you see this? Blaziken showed up less than a week ago, and he has already contributed an excellent and original idea. Gav's poop-to-gold ratio was something like 1:20. You owe us a solid idea, Raven. Or at the very least, less poop for awhile. What about golden poop? All my internet instincts tell me not to click that link It is just a pic of the Amarr god. I will be using both this quote and this link in the future. I love trolling the Amarr. Glad to serve such a noble cause Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7033	Posted - 2015.02.28 06:04:00 - [30105] - Quote Assumption In case the Logis are interested. The ~~Scout~~ Suit Overhaul * Replace label "Scout" with "Assassin" or "" * Remove racial bonuses to Scan Range, Scan Precision, Scan Profile * Set class Scan Range to > all but Logi * Set class Scan Precision to < all but Logi * Set class max Scan Profile < all active scans, all middle and outer rings * Set class min Scan Profile = Logi inner scan ring (get close to the blob and it will detect you) * Remove cloakblind * Add racial "while cloaked" status buff (i.e. MN +speed, CA +scan range, AM +reps, GA +something) * Introduce class-restricted, high-alpha weapon variants * etc, etc ... When was the last time a Scout actually scouted anyway? We're halfway to assassin already. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1903	Posted - 2015.02.28 07:46:00 - [30106] - Quote Well I put in my 2 isk Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7816	Posted - 2015.02.28 08:15:00 - [30107] - Quote I said some time ago that we should change the name to 'covert ops' or 'black ops' seeing as we're being stepped on when it comes to actually serving as scouts. Logi took both our active and passive scanning. Assaults can better fit kincats, and as such the average suit is faster. Are now prone to using REs and nova Knives. Heavies push out more DPS over longer ranges. We only have our CQC thing now, and hacking, so maybe we should just be faster and add a bit more tank. Start calling ourselves light assaults... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1216	Posted - 2015.02.28 09:35:00 - [30108] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Assumption In case the Logis are interested. The ~~Scout~~ Overhaul * Replace label "Scout Suit" with " Suit" * Remove racial bonuses to Scan Range, Scan Precision, Scan Profile * Set class Scan Range to > all but Logi * Set class Scan Precision to < all but Logi * Set class max Scan Profile < all active scans, all middle and outer rings * Set class min Scan Profile = Logi inner scan ring (get close to the blob and it will detect you) * Remove cloakblind * Widen speed gap * Add racial "while cloaked" status buff (i.e. MN +speed, CA +scan range, AM +reps, GA +something) * Introduce class-restricted, high-alpha weapon variants (i.e. sniper rifle, shotgun, fine rifle, AV) * etc, etc ... When was the last time a Scout actually scouted anyway? We're halfway to assassin already. As fun as overhauling ~~Scouts~~ would be, do you think moving more toward "blob warfare" would be a 'bit too linear and boring for other classes? GA + no shimmer and a alpha dmg tac-ar for me please noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 3068	Posted - 2015.02.28 09:43:00 - [30109] - Quote I thought I would have the freedom to say whatever I wanted here. Jokes aside, I shall post 'less poop'. *Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!"* - Edgar Allan Poe CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice. I will steal his hamsters!
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 615	Posted - 2015.02.28 09:52:00 - [30110] - Quote I think the term "scout" refers to our mobility. The ability to scout ahead of the main force. Other attributes like stealth, awareness, equipment, hacking, assasination, come from the fact we move ahead of our teammates. They allow us to be useful behind enemy lines / away from our teammates. It annoys me when I see people on the forums taking the name "scout" to be just relaying enemy positions and that's it. I know I don't need to explain this to you guys. It's just annoying when I see it said elsewhere.

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 3068	Posted - 2015.02.28 09:54:00 - [30111] - Quote voidfaction wrote: GA + no shimmer and a alpha dmg tac-ar for me please Giving Gallente Scouts no shimmer would be over-powered, but visibly less shimmer while retaining some of the current shimmer would be acceptable. *Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!"* - Edgar Allan Poe CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice. I will steal his hamsters!
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1216	Posted - 2015.02.28 10:03:00 - [30112] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: voidfaction wrote: GA + no shimmer and a alpha dmg tac-ar for me please Giving Gallente Scouts no shimmer would be over-powered, but visibly less shimmer while retaining some of the current shimmer would be acceptable. So would a alpha dmg tac-ar noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 3068	Posted - 2015.02.28 10:06:00 - [30113] - Quote Post reserved for making the BrSG viable again. *Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!"* - Edgar Allan Poe CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice. I will steal his hamsters!
Jebus McKing Nos Nothi 1559	Posted - 2015.02.28 12:02:00 - [30114] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Assumption In case the Logis are interested. The ~~Scout~~ Overhaul * Replace label "Scout Suit" with " Suit" * Remove racial bonuses to Scan Range, Scan Precision, Scan Profile * Set class Scan Range to > all but Logi * Set class Scan Precision to < all but Logi * Set class max Scan Profile < all active scans, all middle and outer rings * Set class min Scan Profile = Logi inner scan ring (get close to the blob and it will detect you) * Remove cloakblind * Widen speed gap * Add racial "while cloaked" status buff (i.e. MN +speed, CA +scan range, AM +reps, GA +something) * Introduce class-restricted, high-alpha weapon variants (i.e. sniper rifle, shotgun, fine rifle, AV) * etc, etc ... When was the last time a Scout actually scouted anyway? We're halfway to assassin already. As fun as overhauling ~~Scouts~~ would be, do you think moving more toward "blob warfare" would be a 'bit too linear and boring for other classes? You know, most of the time I like your ideas, but many of them also involve changing A LOT of things all at once which makes them somewhat unlikely to make it into the game ever. Jebus hates scans.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7039	Posted - 2015.02.28 15:37:00 - [30115] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Assumption In case the Logis are interested. The ~~Scout~~ Overhaul * Replace label "Scout Suit" with " Suit" * Remove racial bonuses to Scan Range, Scan Precision, Scan Profile * Set class Scan Range to > all but Logi * Set class Scan Precision to < all but Logi * Set class max Scan Profile < all active scans, all middle and outer rings * Set class min Scan Profile = Logi inner scan ring (get close to the blob and it will detect you) * Remove cloakblind * Widen speed gap * Add racial "while cloaked" status buff (i.e. MN +speed, CA +scan range, AM +reps, GA +something) * Introduce class-restricted, high-alpha weapon variants (i.e. sniper rifle, shotgun, fine rifle, AV) * etc, etc ... When was the last time a Scout actually scouted anyway? We're halfway to assassin already. As fun as overhauling ~~Scouts~~ would be, do you think moving more toward "blob warfare" would be a 'bit too linear and boring for other classes? You know, most of the time I like your ideas, but many of them also involve changing A LOT of things all at once which makes them somewhat unlikely to make it into the game ever. Precisely my point. If we believed competitive recon functions could be shared among AM Scout, CA Scout and GalLogi, we were mistaken; there is no competitive recon beyond that of the GalLogi. If Logis feel they need even better EWAR to compete, then let them have it. All of it. But let's not pretend that Role Bleed isn't Role Bleed. Let's call it what it is, and let's find a way to fix it. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 378	Posted - 2015.02.28 15:57:00 - [30116] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Assumption In case the Logis are interested. The ~~Scout~~ Overhaul * Replace label "Scout Suit" with " Suit" * Remove racial bonuses to Scan Range, Scan Precision, Scan Profile * Set class Scan Range to > all but Logi * Set class Scan Precision to < all but Logi * Set class max Scan Profile < all active scans, all middle and outer rings * Set class min Scan Profile = Logi inner scan ring (get close to the blob and it will detect you) * Remove cloakblind * Widen speed gap * Add racial "while cloaked" status buff (i.e. MN +speed, CA +scan range, AM +reps, GA +something) * Introduce class-restricted, high-alpha weapon variants (i.e. sniper rifle, shotgun, fine rifle, AV) * etc, etc ... When was the last time a Scout actually scouted anyway? We're halfway to assassin already. As fun as overhauling ~~Scouts~~ would be, do you think moving more toward "blob warfare" would be a 'bit too linear and boring for other classes? You know, most of the time I like your ideas, but many of them also involve changing A LOT of things all at once which makes them somewhat unlikely to make it into the game ever. Precisely my point. If we believed competitive recon functions could be shared among AM Scout, CA Scout and GalLogi, we were mistaken; there is no competitive recon beyond that of the GalLogi. If Logis feel they need even better EWAR to compete, then let them have it. All of it. But let's not pretend that Role Bleed isn't Role Bleed. Let's call it what it is, and let's find a way to fix it. I think they shouldn't do an overhaul but maybe do a few changes one path, and then some more changes another patch and so on. This lets players get used to the new feel of stuff. Other then that this looks good. I really don't care about EWAR much because I am a MinScout. Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment, Free BPOs!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7041	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:02:00 - [30117] - Quote Short-Range / Low dB Passives - "OP Wallhacks" Long-Range / High dB Passives- "OP Wallhacks" What if the unit is super squishy and has to be decloaked to scan? Doesn't matter. Still "OP Wallhacks". That's why Scouts are OP. OK, so if we nerf passive scans, what will we do with the passive recon specialists? [ ... ] 200m / 90 degree / 21 dB Scans shared teamwide - "Totally Fine" In fact, what would really help Logis is a serious buff to passive scans. I thought we didn't want any more "OP Wallhacks"? It was only OP with Scouts. We fixed that. It's different with Logis. But we still haven't squared away AM and CA Scout. What about role bleed? It isn't role bleed with Scouts. Think "Trifecta". Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1191	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:04:00 - [30118] - Quote Next hot fix to have 90% backpedal speed! Overlord of Broman
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1191	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:05:00 - [30119] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Next hot fix to have 90% backpedal speed! And higher myro jumps and less LAV hp... Overlord of Broman
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1191	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:07:00 - [30120] - Quote Plus increased carried on equipment... https://trello.com/b/bfGqdj7S/ccp-rattati-s-big-board-of-things Overlord of Broman



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