DUST Search - Mass Driver is unplayable ..SERIOUSLY BS

Smoky The Bear wrote:

I am fully speccd with proficiency and was using an Exo Mass..

I CANT KILL ANYONE PERIOD at ANY range ...

Takes like 6 direct hits to kill anyone .. AND IM TOP OF THE LINE MD..

NO splash damage at all..

This needs to be corrected ASAP.. I dont know what you did to the range.. IM not even going there yet.. BUT the damage and RADIUS is RIDICULOUS>. ABSOLUTELY UNPLAYABLE..

IF you have a different opinion you are WRONG.. bye

EDIT: I know thats not being very specific.. so here you go..

Ok look let me try to break this down a bit more in depth..

Problems in order from Worst to least

TRAJECTORY: If im standing in a perfectly flat open field with no walls/rocks etc.. and my target is directly in front of me, my only choice is to hit his feet... and i gotta be very accurate .. since the weapon now shoots straight forward this makes it very difficult to land accurately... *remember we are already at a huge disadvantage on terrain with hills whether we are looking up (impossible) or down ..even if we manage to snag a rock outcropping and make it close to him.. the texture bug usually eats it up..WE NEED OLD TRAJECTORY BACK

RADIUS: (width AND height) This is where most of my frustration sets in.. Ok so we know you don't aim AT the MAN.. because for some reason even if you directly hit him it goes THRU him .. So all MD users have to aim at a wall or the floor.. I think when I started to really excel at this weapon was when i became proficient at hitting these walls at just the right time etc.. BIG PROBLEM.. the blasts are not radiating out correctly (or have been nerfed so hard as to not work) ..
EXAMPLE: theres a guy 10 feet away with his back to a wall .. I hit the wall and hes not injured.. Or BARELY injured ..where in the past that was a KILL/ huge dmg depending on suit/ shield etc.. Ive heard people saying its just a flat .. not 3D blast radius now.. that makes sense and is DRIVING ME NUTS...

RANGE: This gun at the top level needs to have waaay more range. A MD cannot effectively deny an area if they cant shoot more than 50 feet.. Ive had my shots "fading" into the distance at very close ranges.. the range was fine before..

DAMAGE: Ok Ive been thinking about this alot and.. I (holding with the last builds balance) This gun needs to

1. Be effective at lower levels

2. At the level 5 Proficiency with dmg mods this gun needs to have ability for 1 shot 1 kill on the "weaker" builds, this enables people at lower levels to be able to perform area denial with some success.. (this is why i loved this gun, because even when I was 1milllion SP's I could do some WORK) this got me hooked and kept me in the game.. then the payoff came when I was able to get Proficiency up with Dmg mods..

CONCLUSION
This weapon was pretty much perfect as it was conceived originally.. (kudos to the guy who invented the mechanics of this gun because it WAS original and DAMN fun) .. And im sure he felt a slight twinge when 50% arbitrary reduction nerfs completely ruined his VERY precise and balanced stats... I dont know how hard it would be to just copy and paste the exact stats from previous build and hit APPLY would be.. but thats the solution to this WEAPON ending patch..

Thank you and goodnight..

* I really could go on and on about all the bugs and stuff that I didnt even cover, but this is just what comes to mind ATM

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Azri Sarum DUST University Ivy League 5	Posted - 2013.05.13 18:11:00 - [181] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Ok I just heard they are rolling back all the MD' nerfs AND on top of that.. just as a show of gratitude for fighting so hard to keep DUST balanced for them.. ..... .... THey are BUFFING the MD even beyond last patch.. AND are adding a whole new line OF MD"s that are all capable of 1 shot 1 kill .. after skilling into them ofc.. With HUGE splash damage.. omg .. THANK YOU SOO MUCH CCP!!1 Link PLZ! cough sounds a little too good to be true. Plus we have devs on record saying they want to fix the desync and other bugs affecting MD before balancing it.
Draco Dustflier Planetary Response Organisation 52	Posted - 2013.05.13 21:52:00 - [182] - Quote its because people increas their shields so much that they will survive an entire clip most of the time. i got a HEADSHOT on a LOGISTICS with a freaking GRENADE LAUNCHER and he still had 352 armor. remove health increases or give sheild extenders a penalty. maybe reduced armor on complex extenders.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 857	Posted - 2013.05.13 22:45:00 - [183] - Quote Draco Dustflier wrote: its because people increas their shields so much that they will survive an entire clip most of the time. i got a HEADSHOT on a LOGISTICS with a freaking GRENADE LAUNCHER and he still had 352 armor. remove health increases or give sheild extenders a penalty. maybe reduced armor on complex extenders. The MD takes a 20% damage penalty against shields, so that's working as intended. But the shield buff in uprising compounded with the damage nerf to the MD and nanohive nerf has starved the weapon's already diminished battlefield longevity. Everything that wasn't an AR was nerfed to the levels of novelty compared to the AR and the shield buff only makes it worse. With the 10% damage increase on all weapons, including the AR (which didn't need it) everything else fares better, but the MD still suffers more because of clip size and base damage, limiting it to only being useful when paired with the flux grenade at times.
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2013.05.13 23:03:00 - [184] - Quote i use it best when i'm running with a squad... that damage boost helps, but i'd've rather had the splash back honestly. my thought is increase the splash of all the MD by about 0.5m.... translates into everyone that uses splash to have less than five meters with the regular model, but still over 4 when you use a proto... that's about my only suggestion for it, since i seem to keep killing people when they jump
Thog A Kuma Planetary Response Organisation 110	Posted - 2013.05.13 23:52:00 - [185] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Ok I just heard they are rolling back all the MD' nerfs AND on top of that.. just as a show of gratitude for fighting so hard to keep DUST balanced for them.. ..... .... THey are BUFFING the MD even beyond last patch.. AND are adding a whole new line OF MD"s that are all capable of 1 shot 1 kill .. after skilling into them ofc.. With HUGE splash damage.. omg .. THANK YOU SOO MUCH CCP!!1 So how about now? Link PLEASE!
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2013.05.13 23:56:00 - [186] - Quote Thog A Kuma wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Ok I just heard they are rolling back all the MD' nerfs AND on top of that.. just as a show of gratitude for fighting so hard to keep DUST balanced for them.. ..... .... THey are BUFFING the MD even beyond last patch.. AND are adding a whole new line OF MD"s that are all capable of 1 shot 1 kill .. after skilling into them ofc.. With HUGE splash damage.. omg .. THANK YOU SOO MUCH CCP!!1 So how about now? Link PLEASE! sounds like a Troll Post.... uh... i hope MDs dont get that stupid.. i just want the splash back
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 205	Posted - 2013.05.14 05:29:00 - [187] - Quote I haven't tried out the MD yet. It would be interesting to experience to shoot a MD and have it not arc like it used to. I'm glad they're taking a look at it if what everyone is saying is true.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 889	Posted - 2013.05.14 05:33:00 - [188] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: I haven't tried out the MD yet. It would be interesting to experience to shoot a MD and have it not arc like it used to. I'm glad they're taking a look at it if what everyone is saying is true. The trajectory is okay, could use a severe dropoff after ~20m or so. If they need to change something to get back the splash radius and damage, I'm all for lowering the projectile speed by 15%.
Shady IceCream Truck Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.05.14 11:39:00 - [189] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Ok I just heard they are rolling back all the MD' nerfs AND on top of that.. just as a show of gratitude for fighting so hard to keep DUST balanced for them.. ..... .... THey are BUFFING the MD even beyond last patch.. AND are adding a whole new line OF MD"s that are all capable of 1 shot 1 kill .. after skilling into them ofc.. With HUGE splash damage.. omg .. THANK YOU SOO MUCH CCP!!1 WHOOOO HOOOOOO.. and to all those who "didnt mind " conceding this or that, to a perfectly balanced weapon.. Well you sold out.. Just Dessert
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 57	Posted - 2013.05.14 11:48:00 - [190] - Quote All this good will towards MD's ..and they are STILL conspicuously absent from the PUB matches..

Still blazn Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 13	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:13:00 - [191] - Quote O man.. I thought you said they changed it with the update??? its Still CRAPpeeee...
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 58	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:10:00 - [192] - Quote Still blazn wrote: O man.. I thought you said they changed it with the update??? its Still CRAPpeeee... I guess it was just a nasty rumor .. sorry Would be really nice to see one of those pretty "red Dev" things attached to this post.. Inquiring minds want to know.. WTF is going on over there???
Shady IceCream Truck Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:59:00 - [193] - Quote Well I guess you could get a truck?
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 60	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:24:00 - [194] - Quote My gun still sux..
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 61	Posted - 2013.05.16 09:45:00 - [195] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: I am fully speccd with proficiency and was using an Exo Mass.. I CANT KILL ANYONE PERIOD at ANY range ... Takes like 6 direct hits to kill anyone .. AND IM TOP OF THE LINE MD.. NO splash damage at all.. This needs to be corrected ASAP.. I dont know what you did to the range.. IM not even going there yet.. BUT the damage and RADIUS is RIDICULOUS>. ABSOLUTELY UNPLAYABLE.. IF you have a different opinion you are WRONG.. bye EDIT: I know thats not being very specific.. so here you go.. Ok look let me try to break this down a bit more in depth.. Problems in order from Worst to least TRAJECTORY: If im standing in a perfectly flat open field with no walls/rocks etc.. and my target is directly in front of me, my only choice is to hit his feet... and i gotta be very accurate .. since the weapon now shoots straight forward this makes it very difficult to land accurately... remember we are already at a huge disadvantage on terrain with hills whether we are looking up (impossible) or down ..even if we manage to snag a rock outcropping and make it close to him.. the texture bug usually eats it up..WE NEED OLD TRAJECTORY BACK RADIUS: (width AND height) This is where most of my frustration sets in.. Ok so we know you don't aim AT the MAN.. because for some reason even if you directly hit him it goes THRU him .. So all MD users have to aim at a wall or the floor.. I think when I started to really excel at this weapon was when i became proficient at hitting these walls at just the right time etc.. BIG PROBLEM.. the blasts are not radiating out correctly (or have been nerfed so hard as to not work) .. EXAMPLE: theres a guy 10 feet away with his back to a wall .. I hit the wall and hes not injured.. Or BARELY injured ..where in the past that was a KILL/ huge dmg depending on suit/ shield etc.. Ive heard people saying its just a flat .. not 3D blast radius now.. that makes sense and is DRIVING ME NUTS... RANGE: This gun at the top level needs to have waaay more range. A MD cannot effectively deny an area if they cant shoot more than 50 feet.. Ive had my shots "fading" into the distance at very close ranges.. the range was fine before.. DAMAGE: Ok Ive been thinking about this alot and.. I (holding with the last builds balance) This gun needs to 1. Be effective at lower levels 2. At the level 5 Proficiency with dmg mods this gun needs to have ability for 1 shot 1 kill on the "weaker" builds, this enables people at lower levels to be able to perform area denial with some success.. (this is why i loved this gun, because even when I was 1milllion SP's I could do some WORK) this got me hooked and kept me in the game.. then the payoff came when I was able to get Proficiency up with Dmg mods.. CONCLUSION This weapon was pretty much perfect as it was conceived originally.. (kudos to the guy who invented the mechanics of this gun because it WAS original and DAMN fun) .. And im sure he felt a slight twinge when 50% arbitrary reduction nerfs completely ruined his VERY precise and balanced stats... I dont know how hard it would be to just copy and paste the exact stats from previous build and hit APPLY would be.. but thats the solution to this WEAPON ending patch.. Thank you and goodnight.. I really could go on and on about all the bugs and stuff that I didnt even cover, but this is just what comes to mind ATM Still waiting..
BangBang Chuck Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 3	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:36:00 - [196] - Quote Is there still MD player out there... ? Here is my two cents as to why the MD is broken... Ok... first thing first, I'm a long time MD player, was in the closed beta, still am today, will stay like that or I'll find another game to play or run after cats in dark alleys... I'll be MD or do something else with my life... I liked the challenged it was providing me ... now it's rather frustration... I like my games to be fun... not frustrating... I got plenty of the last one already at my job ... i don't need it in my free / leisure time... My Dropsuit : Assault Dropsuit (proto), Shield Extenders and Armor Plates, Primary MD (exo or freedom) and Secondary SMG (toxin), Flux and Nanohives. Ok... I manage to do ok... but this as NOTHING to do with the fact that I'm using a mass driver... nothing, nada, niet, rien, quedale, zero ... and, don't get me wrong, you'll see a LOT of Mass Driver players out there doing just "ok", but good luck finding one dominating... they are just doing ok... Do you know why they're doing ok? Because they are using FLUX grenades! Not because they have a MD... That really important... I'm getting almost as many kill with my SMG (not upgraded with one SP) than with my lvl 5 MD + lvl 2 proficiency... Basically, if you choose to go MD... well your dropsuit built is already decided for you... You will do NO good on the battlefield if you don't have equiped Flux Grenades & Upgraded Nanohives That... yeah THAT... is a clear sign to me that something is wrong here with the MD. I have to compensate the weakness of the MD with the Flux... I'm not killing players with my MD... noooooo I'm killing them with Flux... i'm just poking / kissing/ finishing/ caressing them to death with my MD or as often with my SMD lvl1 ... The other sign to me that something is not right with the MD is that I'm using the exo5 being lvl 5 in mass driver and proficiency lvl 2... The last 3-4 mass drivers are so much crap it's ridiculous... Why did I invest so many SP point to get guns weaker than the low level exo 5 ??? Seriously??? I got a 5% radius increase per level... but 5% of nothing... is not much you know... PLEASE oh please... 1) Increase the blast radius of MD, else I might as well hit them with my fists... 2) Bring back a curved trajectory... it will make it harder to hit, but that's the point of the MD... trajectory estimation !!! that's what's fun and gratifying about it. 3) Make the last MD worth using please... Why would I spend so much SP, ISK, CPU and PG on mass driver higher in level but lower on the the battlefield? Please DO something...
IR Scifi Silver Talon Corporation 26	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:52:00 - [197] - Quote I'm still using a MD but only because I've gone and done like BangBang Chuck did and dumped a kitten load of points into it. Using the exo as well, it's nowhere near as effective of a stopping tool like it was pre-patch. The splash radius nerf is the real killer for me. I used to be able to hold off two or three people with splash damage (not necessarily kill but prevent them from breaking cover). Now if three people are hiding behind a box I'll maybe hit one of them if I'm lucky while the other two just wait for me to reload and then rush. Losing the arcing trajectory hurt too, before if there was a hill or ramp between you and the target you could fairly reliably arc a shot over and hit them, now not so much.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 444	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:58:00 - [198] - Quote BangBang Chuck wrote: Is there still MD player out there... ? Here is my two cents as to why the MD is broken... Ok... first thing first, I'm a long time MD player, was in the closed beta, still am today, will stay like that or I'll find another game to play or run after cats in dark alleys... I'll be MD or do something else with my life... I liked the challenged it was providing me ... now it's rather frustration... I like my games to be fun... not frustrating... I got plenty of the last one already at my job ... i don't need it in my free / leisure time... My Dropsuit : Assault Dropsuit (proto), Shield Extenders and Armor Plates, Primary MD (exo or freedom) and Secondary SMG (toxin), Flux and Nanohives. Ok... I manage to do ok... but this as NOTHING to do with the fact that I'm using a mass driver... nothing, nada, niet, rien, quedale, zero ... and, don't get me wrong, you'll see a LOT of Mass Driver players out there doing just "ok", but good luck finding one dominating... they are just doing ok... Do you know why they're doing ok? Because they are using FLUX grenades! Not because they have a MD... That really important... I'm getting almost as many kill with my SMG (not upgraded with one SP) than with my lvl 5 MD + lvl 2 proficiency... Basically, if you choose to go MD... well your dropsuit built is already decided for you... You will do NO good on the battlefield if you don't have equiped Flux Grenades & Upgraded Nanohives That... yeah THAT... is a clear sign to me that something is wrong here with the MD. I have to compensate the weakness of the MD with the Flux... I'm not killing players with my MD... noooooo I'm killing them with Flux... i'm just poking / kissing/ finishing/ caressing them to death with my MD or as often with my SMD lvl1 ... The other sign to me that something is not right with the MD is that I'm using the exo5 being lvl 5 in mass driver and proficiency lvl 2... The last 3-4 mass drivers are so much crap it's ridiculous... Why did I invest so many SP point to get guns weaker than the low level exo 5 ??? Seriously??? I got a 5% radius increase per level... but 5% of nothing... is not much you know... PLEASE oh please... 1) Increase the blast radius of MD, else I might as well hit them with my fists... 2) Bring back a curved trajectory... it will make it harder to hit, but that's the point of the MD... trajectory estimation !!! that's what's fun and gratifying about it. 3) Make the last MD worth using please... Why would I spend so much SP, ISK, CPU and PG on mass driver higher in level but lower on the the battlefield? Please DO something... I agree with this wholeheartedly. Using the Mass Driver now requires the addition of flux grenades and nanohives, preferably upgraded nonohives. That's just to be able to hang with the weapon. Other weapons do not require so much support just to use. Bring back the splash, bring back the arc. Buff the Freedom. If this isn't an option, then you could change the weapon altogether I guess by adding ROF, magazine size, and total ammo, but I'd rather see the weapon go back to similar capabilities as it had in Chromosome. It wasn't OP then.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 101	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:18:00 - [199] - Quote Bump from a heavy, who got some love from CCP. I agree MD are not good, stats are not reflecting SP invested in proto, splash is laughable on a "harder to aim" gun. This as become a CQC weapon from what I saw in battle, never getting close to match against CQC shooty, HMG, pistol, TAC AR or anything CQC (TAC shouldn't be there I agree). Even more with the clip size and total ammo for the current stats. Shame. Remnant should give this gun a quick push but I do understand he is probably looking at all of them at once, since MD isn't the only gun with issue, even though it is now pretty much at the bottom of the list when looking at efficiency. Go on guys, don't let this go to page 2!.
TonYtigr Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 16	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:47:00 - [200] - Quote Bump for a MD on the artificial respirator...

Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 12	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:59:00 - [201] - Quote Threadnought.
NaglfarBP Not Guilty EoN. 32	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:44:00 - [202] - Quote Please fix the MD, its my fave weapon!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 991	Posted - 2013.05.17 12:34:00 - [203] - Quote I don't think I have anymore to add. We have 10 pages of people discussing yet another niche game mechanic that got watered down. My KDR is steadily on the verge of breaking even, but whoopdy ****ing do. The damn thing wasn't broke and therefore, didn't need fixing. I'd blame all the QQ circle jerk nerf threads, but this wasn't the case this time. At the same time, there's a weapon that truly is OP making the Viziam from last build look like a laser pointer and nothing is being done. I guess it's time to get that optional respec, a modded controller and spec into the TAR. Playing to win seems to take priority over playing with tactics.
Kwik Draw Traitors Function 10	Posted - 2013.05.17 16:57:00 - [204] - Quote omg. im against respecs but the MD sucks so much im thinking bout it :x
Pseudonym0 Free Guard of Arrakis 0	Posted - 2013.05.17 17:58:00 - [205] - Quote And to add insult to injury....we're no longer getting credited with kill assists we actually manage to get with the weapon. Anyone else notice this. Just ran one where I had 2 kills and 12 assists with my MD (the kill to assist ratio would've been much higher pre-patch I assure you), and somehow came out with 285 WP. 2 x 50 + 12 x 25 = 285???? Apparently now we're using Eve math in Dust too.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 46	Posted - 2013.05.17 18:18:00 - [206] - Quote I thought the MD was fine. I still don't use it much (I've been hooked on using the Scrambler Rifle on my Frontline Starter fit.), but when I do, I get fine damage and range. Splash is a bit of an issue, but that's about it. I don't get as many kills as I used to, it's more of a "If they get caught" thing. Maybe up to 6 or 7 kills per match, instead of my usual 13+. :P
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 997	Posted - 2013.05.17 18:54:00 - [207] - Quote The standard Flaylock out damages the Freedom MD. Not making a point, I just felt like mentioning that.
Wojoxs The Killers CO. 6	Posted - 2013.05.18 15:37:00 - [208] - Quote Please fix this problem. I don't even feel like playing.
Smoky The Bear Silent Stalkerz Hephaestus Forge Alliance 64	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:27:00 - [209] - Quote 11 page and still NOTHING.. not even a freakin response? seriously? At this point.. im quitting the game completely.. My alts will not play... My friends ALREADY quit.. ANd I'll make sure not to recommend this game to anyone .. THE GAME AS IT IS= GARBAGE... and I wont lower myself to play this crap if this kind of treatment is normal day to day business for CCP.. BYE and I hope you go bankrupt..
Jin Robot Polar Gooks 514	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:55:00 - [210] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: 11 page and still NOTHING.. not even a freakin response? seriously? At this point.. im quitting the game completely.. My alts will not play... My friends ALREADY quit.. ANd I'll make sure not to recommend this game to anyone .. THE GAME AS IT IS= GARBAGE... and I wont lower myself to play this crap if this kind of treatment is normal day to day business for CCP.. BYE and I hope you go bankrupt.. If I was CCP I wouldnt respond to this garbage either. threats and tears=low priority. Try sounding like something besides a spoiled child, might work out better for you.



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