I've not worked with the Flaylock yet, but I've been considering it. I hate fused grenades too, but they are only comparable in CQC. You can't throw a nade as far or as accurately as you can with the MD. The fact that they are both in the isk and aur market is a terrible decision, but that's getting off topic.

I don't know, I'm not here to argue with you guys. I just feel that we need to moderate our requests, since CCP can't moderate their balancing. Demanding big sweeping changes, or full reverts is counter productive, and often ends with a weapon being severely OP'd or drastically nerfed. We can't possibly know how a weapon will perform and without a test server available to the public, I think we need to go about making changes little by little.

I've not worked with the Flaylock yet, but I've been considering it. I hate fused grenades too, but they are only comparable in CQC. You can't throw a nade as far or as accurately as you can with the MD. The fact that they are both in the isk and aur market is a terrible decision, but that's getting off topic.

I don't know, I'm not here to argue with you guys. I just feel that we need to moderate our requests, since CCP can't moderate their balancing. Demanding big sweeping changes, or full reverts is counter productive, and often ends with a weapon being severely OP'd or drastically nerfed. We can't possibly know how a weapon will perform and without a test server available to the public, I think we need to go about making changes little by little.

IF you have a different opinion you are WRONG.. bye

BUd they arent going to do anything no matter how understated your request..

If anything they should give the MD a buff UP from Chromosome to Uprising.. Since the suits were all buffed and mechanics/nanos were borked..
Whats so wrong with wanting a weapon that does its intended job? And here you are talking yourselves into a state of blandness and obscurity.. I didnt come here to play AR, and If thats the only choice then I choose to leave..

Im all in for the MD.. If they don't return it to what it was, they will lose me and many others.. period

Look at how few people used it in Chrome. I don't think we'll ever have to worry about the MD being the FotM... ever....

There is nothing wrong with wanting a weapon that does its intended job. There is something wrong with saying "it's my way or the highway". I'm doing what you're wanting with the EXO every day. Could it be better? A little, yeah. But honestly, I consider myself a below average player, and I have good success. I don't want everyone and their mom using it, cus I know what I can do with it. If you're on your way out, don't forget to contract your MDs to me. Thanks for playing. Come back and tell us how Ghosts is.

Mass driver is a dead weapon, just like the laser rifle now.

Mass driver is a dead weapon, just like the laser rifle now.

Man, I'm almost tempted to use my respec just to focus on my logi suit, modules, equipment, and core skills with 0 SP in a weapon and use the Exile 24/7. ARs are so powerful compared to everything else that you don't even need SP invested in them.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

Hello just reminding CCP and The community of their words. I don't feel the need to say anything else. I will try to have this in every page so everyone can see it.

First of all, I didn't spec into Caldari Logi Suit (or any Logi suit) and I didn't spec into Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle.

Said it this. My question is:

Anytime that CCP makes change in the game, like change the weapons stats, suits stats, sights, HAVs, LAVs, Dropships, etc, will they make a respec?

Because people spend time to spec into something that they like to use, and if CCP changes those things and then people don't feel good with those things, well... that's ****.

I would love to know is that the way of CCP. Make a bad development and then change all the game without compensate the players that wasted time... Or make a bad development, change the whole game and then give to the players the possibility to start again?

What's the way CCP?

Because is very possible that CCP Nerfer makes changes in LAVs, TAR, Logies, etc. And then what? What will happen with those guys?

PS: CPMs don't respond to this thread till you get better in the game and learn more about the gameplay. Thank you.

Bye. Kisses.

I've been wondering the same thing. Listing nerfs in the patch notes is one thing, but the ninja nerfs that occur are very off putting in a game like this where your investments aren't meant to be refunded and you have to live with that choice investment. What's even more off putting, and down right discourages me from opening my wallet, let alone my client is the motivation behind said ninja nerfs:

That portion in the quote which I underlined has been rubbing me the wrong way since I've first seen this quote. How many other game mechanics where changed on a whim based on events that didn't occur on tranquility? More importantly, how many more will change in this context? Am I going to suddenly log in one day and find out that all my fittings are invalid because my Minmatar logi suit has been confined to a sidearm based on how many people are using the suit on a dev server? Outside of wanting to keep in touch with my friends in game, I have severely cut down my play time because of this. It's not fair for players that invest millions of SP into their respective roles which they find fun to suddenly have them changed overnight. I've lost a lot of faith in Dust 514 changing for the better when I discovered the grounds behind some of these more drastic changes and I know others that have too. This cloak and dagger practice of "rebalancing" needs to stop and significant changes to game mechanics need to be communicated or this game really will die before it's true potential can shine. I've hand waved many a change in this game that let a bad taste in my mouth, but this is the number one thing that has really disappointed me. Honestly, if it weren't for the optional skill respec, which was unrelated to this occurrence, I would have since left, biomassing my avatar to prevent temptation of coming back.

I realize this is not a comment which will be exclusive to the Mass Driver but it is relevant to the Mass Driver situation. Hold for triple layered font effects of emphasis.

All "ninja" nerfs/buffs most unequivocally cease!

Listed in the stats for the weapon etc is also patendtly inadquate, every time there is a change to the stats of any weapon, suit, skill, et al the specific details need to be listed in a patch notes thread along with an in game notice that such a change has been made and to see the thread for details. Ideally all smaller changes (read those which are not a new build) would be sent out to all characters via an in game mail message as well so that those PS3 users who do not possess ready access to a computer are not left out of the loop.

Dealing with having a weapon toned down due to it being overpowered (even if I've spent SP into it) is fine. No respec needed, no complaints. However dealing with any piece of gear or any skill which has been altered without specific notice shifts the burden of responsibility to the developers rather than the players for it is patently unreasonable to expect every player to review every skill and bit of gear they use each and every time they log in to play the game.

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You need to make a topic on this. Preferably general, since they're going to wind up moving it to the graveyard feedback anyway. Might as well give it some exposure. Just add a little more background on the situation, including the HMG, pistols, and all vehicles. All of the above suffered significant ninja nerfs.

Keeping hope alive for an MD buff. This weapon has been neutered beyond recognition. The most unfortunate part about this situation is that this nerf came as a response to internal testing. Talk about being disconnected from what's really happening online among your players. Literally.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

I've seen the proto type mass drivers being used with caldari logi to good effect (not great) but I've seen these guys do some mean damage. Albeit it's most likely to them stacking damage mods and it seemed like they always had high ground.
I'm a heavy and the HMG is not as good as it once was but works good in its cqc niche. We both got hit uprising and CCP has somewhat rectified the hard nerf but we are limited. I hope CCP fixes your MD problem but try focusing on being on high ground it seems to boost MD power just my observation. Lol still kill armor tankers pretty decent.

Your support is appreciated. I'm glad that your weapon was brought back to some semblance of usefulness. In fact, not too long ago I was in the city map and there was a heavy that was wrecking out team like it was his job. My whole squad was cursing though our teeth at this guy until one guy shouted "These goddamned heavies need to be nerfed!"

Right then and there, I knew you guys were in good shape again. Should another OP ever pop up these forums to declare your effectiveness on the battlefield be reduced again, I'll make sure I do my part to defend your role as I hope you do the same with mine. Us niche characters need to stick together and preserve our different playstyles for the sake of balance and variety in this game.