Let's imagine a corp with 3 districts. If only one district is under attack they will never be at risk of losing the district no matter the quality of their attackers since they can easily reinforce with 150 clones per day. This principle expands out to corps with larger numbers of districts. A corp will only suffer a net loss of clones if more than 1 third of it's districts are under attack.

At this stage, it's not possible to accurately predict how many districts will be attacked each day and so calls for REQUIRED reinforcements are premature. I'd like to see the current system in action before we start theory crafting that reinforcements are REQUIRED to be allowed.

I would like the defenders to start with all installations and NULL cannons blue. This would make sense lorewise and give a much needed advantage to defense.

After this kind of boost, if attackers win they deserve the spoils and if defenders lose they deserve the clone loss and lockdown.

I agree that this so obvious it should have been an automatic consideration! Come on CCP what we're you thinking?

I think you may have a point then that if the defenders can't keep clone loss to a minimum in this situation then they can be rightfully ground down by attrition. Hmmm, not sure, interesting to think on though

A restock of 150 would certainly solve the question of any disadvantage tor winning defenders though

I would like the defenders to start with all installations and NULL cannons blue. This would make sense lorewise and give a much needed advantage to defense.

After this kind of boost, if attackers win they deserve the spoils and if defenders lose they deserve the clone loss and lockdown.

We need more information on how this goes down :
- Does the defending district goes back to online state when RT starts and before attacker decides to use dibs hour to attack again ?
- Can an attacker decide to attack again before or after the fight ? (at the moment, i think it would be after)

You are using old numbers, current proposals are 75 or 100 with PF. Even if they went ahead with the 100 and 150 option (which I personally much prefer as it makes districts more valuable) then the 150 will still only apply to a lucky third of districts

A restock of 150 would certainly solve the question of any disadvantage tor winning defenders though

Nope, I'm using current numbers :)

150 minimum clone loss for the district under attack. 2x 75 = 150 clone generation for the 2 other districts not under attack. This means that corp can reinforce the attacked district with 150 each day for no net loss of clones - making their districts invulnerable.

I have an idea.

Transporting clones - whether for an attack or not - should take the district offline, so the attackers DON'T get their next downtime's worth of clone production. If someone declares an attack, they still get their clone production for the next downtime, which will hit as the attack comes in.

It doesn't mean you're instantly screwed (you still have a minimum of 225 clones on site), but there's that little bit more vulnerability when you're sending your forces out against the enemy.

Yeah but not generating ISK either as they dont sell any excess of clones. THe attack still has an impact on the economic side of the defending corp.

The real problems we have are with the cases of 1 small corp with one district facing 1 big corp with several. We all agree a small corp winning 3 fights in a row defending or attacking should keep\get the district. At the moment, there may be loop holes that could prevent that.

An i guess there are many other loop holes we havent seen yet.

Against that, the sole perk for defending is the 20% "cashback" on the unused clones the attacker brought to the fight. And i wouldnt be surprised to see attackers ruin on purpose all of their clones when a game seems lost. Using militia gear and killing themselves just to avoid offering clones to the enemy.

Or, what about offering a deal for defenders through the reward system ? When winning, defender could choose to process used biomass into new clones instead of getting full ISK reward ?

Well in the interests of PC, I'm curious if these districts that we control would allow any other industrial production facilities besides the clone affecting ones. With the economies split there isn't much drawing the average EVE player to PC besides good will toward alliances with the hope that one day all these manic ground troops might prove useful.

I suggest that CCP allow industrialism on these districts to be tied in. Gives the EVE players an incentive to set roots in these systems with increased production capabilities and output. Might get the industrialist corps interested at any rate.

Another idea to bring more interactivity. An EVE fleet could install a satellite defense system geo-synchronous with their favoured district. This would allow the district the ability to destroy or damage incoming clone assault packets sent by Genolution, Increasing the attrition rate by a modest percentile. These satellite defense networks could be destroyed by a hostile fleet, but it would be necessary to hold the system for a period long enough to root out all the cloaked satellites. This would allow more context and purpose for fleet involvement other than, "Nuke the CLONES!"

Pryke out.

any (extra) bonuses for successfully defending a district might encourage corps to make an alt and attack themselves.

if corps attack themselves and can make more ISK or net clones than it costs to mount the attack, then we'll just see a bunch of fake battles going on which prevents real fights from taking place.

Already gave +1 to this.

My addition: hostile satellites which wouldn't do anything dramatic on their own but which would reduce the districts capabilities.
For example,
reduce districts production
reduce attackers attrition
reduce districts clone production

So this why this is on-topic discussion.

"Game Of Clones"

Here's an idea that might provide the reinforcement answer - if an attack fails, the attacker doesn't get the 'dibs hour'. Successful defense means you could call in reinforcements before another attack could be sent.

You wouldn't NEED to call in reinforcements if you lost less than 150 clones (or 200 with PF), because the next available attack window gives you 2 RTs to restock.

How do corporations make money from planetary conquest?
Owning districts generates clones and clones can be sold for profit. You will however require clones for battle in order to expand and defend your districts so balancing how you use them will be important. At the end of a district battle rewards are paid out to just the winning team based on the value of biomass from the clones destroyed. Salvage is also handed out to both teams and is based on the items destroyed on the opposing team, similar to a loot drop from EVE. Rewards are evenly balanced among the team members based on their time in the battle not war points.

You can always pull additional players in to corporation battles using squads and if they win they will paid out of the biomass rewards.

So if a lone wolf can receive Biomass, and Biomass can be sold, yet needs to be bought, would this still occur in NPC market where Biomass/Clones are sold to NPC or would it be direct to player with the involvement of NPC?

Out of 1000 posts 300 went to 5 guys in a cyclic debate about how losing ISK to win is an exploit, but we're all broke!

Vaerana Myshtana had a good idea on skills to boost ISK in post #340. Skihids was right that this is a "peacock's tail" from back in post #738. They guy who doesn't want fanboys responding in post #1078 claims it will be 3 days for all land to be taken, not a 3hour land grab rush. Hmmm, I agree. My corp is top 150 for warpoints, so out of the 250 districts we're involved enough to earn a spot and when I talked to them they weren't interested much when I said we defend the same map everyday until we lose it. I talked with another corp (the EVE player in it said "we can benefit much from an alliance with each other"...typical) that is ranked close to us and they only had 2 people online.

People talk with certainty that corps will split up to take more. I sure hope so! The majority of players are in NPC corps! Tens of thousands in each one! They aren't apart of this. It seems there are so many ways to be punished in the name of balance, but I have a sneaking suspicion all this debate is coming from exclusive EVE players who bought a PS3 to get an edge on the Dust side of things.

Vaerana Myshtana had a good idea on skills to boost ISK in post #340. Skihids was right that this is a "peacock's tail" from back in post #738. They guy who doesn't want fanboys responding in post #1078 claims it will be 3 days for all land to be taken, not a 3hour land grab rush. Hmmm, I agree. My corp is top 150 for warpoints, so out of the 250 districts we're involved enough to earn a spot and when I talked to them they weren't interested much when I said we defend the same map everyday until we lose it. I talked with another corp (the EVE player in it said "we can benefit much from an alliance with each other"...typical) that is ranked close to us and they only had 2 people online.