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Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1961	Posted - 2014.07.18 01:08:00 - [1] - Quote PG upgrades to high slot Kincats to high slot Damage mod 4/6/8 Damage mod stacking penalty greatly reduced ^Adds utility to high slots and allows stacking of damage mods to mean something. Helps to reduce the Amarr assault's eHP advantage while opening up the high-slots to more than shield tanking. Edit: Also, make Myofibs add rang to your melee attacks, 2 PRO's giving you equal range to that of a Nova Knife. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1961	Posted - 2014.07.18 02:17:00 - [2] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: PG upgrades to high slot Kincats to high slot Damage mod 4/6/8 Damage mod stacking penalty greatly reduced ^Adds utility to high slots and allows stacking of damage mods to mean something. Helps to reduce the Amarr assault's eHP advantage while opening up the high-slots to more than shield tanking. Edit: Also, make Myofibs add rang to your melee attacks, 2 PRO's giving you equal range to that of a Nova Knife. For the love of god don't do any of this. Shield based suits suck already don't nerf their ability to use kinkats or pg units without sacrificing their already sad survivability. How happy would you be to have damage mods moved to lows? The problem being discussed is that ALL useful mods short of sHP and damage mods are in the low slots, giving low-slot laden suits a world of diversity for fits and severely limiting high-slot laden suits. Instead of kincats, which directly benefit shield based suit's strengths, how about regs and codebreakers for highs instead? Fitting diversity is needed one way or another. Actually cardiac regs in the high slot wouldn't be a bad idea. Armor suits couldn't reverse the effects of their armor plates without loosing a low, but they could increase their ability to keep running at full speed thereby helping make up for their low speed by a bit. Anyway, don't think my goal is to gimp the shield suits. I've run nothing but for about as long as I've played Dust. I just want to have something to throw in my highs other than eHP or broken damage bumps that don't come close to making up for the sHP you loose by equipping them. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1964	Posted - 2014.07.18 03:10:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: PG upgrades to high slot Kincats to high slot Damage mod 4/6/8 Damage mod stacking penalty greatly reduced ^Adds utility to high slots and allows stacking of damage mods to mean something. Helps to reduce the Amarr assault's eHP advantage while opening up the high-slots to more than shield tanking. Edit: Also, make Myofibs add rang to your melee attacks, 2 PRO's giving you equal range to that of a Nova Knife. For the love of god don't do any of this. Shield based suits suck already don't nerf their ability to use kinkats or pg units without sacrificing their already sad survivability. How happy would you be to have damage mods moved to lows? Shield suits have sad survivability? lawl, I am doing just fine with 427 armor and 200 shields, you might be expecting too much And the most popular weapons right now are anti armor. So, no, your survivability isn't far off from armor if at all any different, just play to your strenghts. Ummmm yeah armor is great with a nice shield buffer, a logi repping you, triage hives healing you, damage mods helping you out damage shield tanks with no sacrifice to your natural armor tank, Flux grenades having no effect other than causing you to drop more repping hives, no delay for your reps, and the insane wps farmed for your squad from said armor reps.. yes cat merc tell us more about how armor based suits and shield based suits are on par.. you are once again only worried about staying OP. Stay out of this unless you are being constructive or I will release the hounds on you. * Logi reps outside of squads are rare * I don't have enough CPU/PG for triage hives (CPU upgrade would come in handy here ) * Damage mods have been nerfed to hell, and it's not like I can fit them anyway * Flux grenades are much rarer than Locus Grenades, and when a Locus Grenade comes, I don't lose my armor. I die. * I may not have delay for reps, but it's still 1/3rd of the speed of the free repair rate on Caldari Assaults * The only benefit of my shield buffer is that shields regenerate faster than armor, hence it's better for me to take shield damage. The time to disengage from battle is still the same for shield and armor users. Basically, the advantages armor has can only come when fighting in classic battles where there's a frontline. Skirmish fighters (like myself) can't benefit of Logi tools, Repair hives or anything of the sort. Try fitting a kin cat instead of trying to brick, see what happens then Oh and about your "staying OP" comment, I've been running armor since Uprising 1.0. And I KNEW, on day 1, that armor is underpowered. To be fair, the armor-variant assault suits in Chrome were pretty UP then too. I ran 1 rep, 1 S-reg and a plate on my Vk.1. .....and suddenly, Nostalgia.... Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1969	Posted - 2014.07.18 06:39:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Doc DDD wrote: Excellent agree to disagree I rep any suit with armor as a logi, a force multiplyer, especially an armor tanked gal assault, with a triage hive HE WILL NOT DIE. So i guess you were wrong there.. but hey, agree to disagree. ( by the way rep tools go in the equipment slot and as a logi I carry a gun for pew pew ) you would be amazed by the effectiveness of triage hives on an armor suit! You simply must try it some time vs shield tankers, unless you find it unnecessary due to the current state of shield vs armor. That I can understand cat merc. stack a complex ferro scale,or a complex reactive with anything. . THANK YOU DIMINISHING RETURNS!!!! Oh I'm guessing you don't do this as you find it unnecessary due to the current state of shield vs armor. That I can understand. More than one armor repairer? Well I guess we agree there, sure is nice isn't it? That I can understand. I am not attacking you, I am shining a light on the flaws of your implied logic. Shields are not in a good place right now. I don't think you are insulting me be stating otherwise, but you have not brought up any valid points to defend your opinion other than to state that even by denying yourself many of the benefits to tanking armor, you can still run a viable fit vs a shield tanked suit using every benefit available to shields. THAT is what boggles my mind when you follow up such statements with " shields and armor are very balanced ". Good thing you chose to proto your armor assault after the suit respect eh? I can understand that. agree to disagree Cough Ignoring my explanations to every single point you made here Cough ahem No valid explanations to the discussion were given. You basically restated that you don't require any of the added benefits to an armor based suit as you can hang with elite caldari assaulters without using triage hives, a repping logi, damage mods or anything other than the fact that armor constantlyreps you for 20 ticks per second, without interruption, for 5 seconds while that caldari waits for 5 seconds for you to jump around a corner and shoot him. You are confusing your explanation with being a proof of shield and armor balance. That's what the discussion is about. But if you feel you must, please again explain how shields and armor are balanced because you don't use triage hives. anything else? ahem That's only true in your mind bud. Now excuse me while I go stomp in my Minmatar Assault. My favorite pastime. (looks at sig) <3 Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0

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