GA scout already has a bonus to damps?

It also says increased PG/CPU for Assaults...

As i already said.. i am 'always' getting outrun by heavies when i'm playing as my Gal Logi with the armor plates with no movement penalty.. ferroscale if i remember right.

So something else is going on there if your stats don't show that's the case... Do some internal testing. If i use the basic armour plates of any tier.. then i am constantly losing my link to heavies and having to sprint to keep up with them a lot.

That's sort of where we see this going, rather than fitting penalties.

I don't like your idea.

It's just one of those ideas that seem blankly stupid to me, no that it couldn't work its just to (me) it wouldn't.

This is my concern. A cal scout has to sacrifice its primary tank in order to be good at scanning. If an amarr scout can use two precision AND stack armor plates that will be way more OP that people claim the Cal Scout currently is.

I think that the addition of a slot to Amarr Assault, on top of their high PG/CPU has shown how effective a fitting buff can be. We will be looking better at efficacy bonuses in Delta.

the GA sentinel is the worst offender, it will be based on slots and not the same reduction for all races

This is a terrible terrible idea. Logis need to stay alive and in a dust where rail rifles can engage within 80 meters, and HMGs destroy you close range, which should i give up HP or equipment just to be able to shoot back. This would rather encourage me to become a slayer logi. i simply cannot risk my good equipment and suit on 1 side arm, (which would only be either the magsec or smg) so i might as well ditch the equipment and go for kills.

Cant we just buff the assaults without destroying the other suits.

I 'm talking about struggling to scrape ADV weapons onto the suits. PG and cpu is already razor thin. I build my logis around the equipment and HP but thinking along your lines would make me build around the weapon. Ethier an standard or mlt light weapon or SMG with low HP and good equipment or become a better slayer than assaults with a duvolle with survivable suit but crappy equipment.

possible rearrangements, not more slots.

Light damage mods is high on my list for Assault efficacy bonuses

Can we have them moved to low powered slots too?

Gimmie Infantry Ammo Cache that uses weapon upgrade skills for my low slots?

of course not

I'll give you that a draconian increase in fitting requirements would affect player behavior and force them into the suits/roles that you and Rattati apparently want them in.

But it comes at a great cost, as freedom of fitting is one of the things that reviews consistently mention as one of DUST's strengths. You might argue that it is, in principle, possible to fit out-of-class, but the funneling of players into mainstream roles is obvious.

Making fitting choices prohibitively expensive is a negative approach to the problem, and for my money will not increase the quality of the player experience, but rather will contribute to a feeling of reduced player agency in defining a role for themselves.

Perhaps in the end your negative/bureaucratic/legislative approach will be necessary, but it is definitely too early for us to go ahead and pay that cost now.

The creative approach must be attempted first, and that means crafting a role for the assaults that is attractive to players, that is not overpowered, and that adds to the gameplay.

tl:dr Let's do our best to make the Assault role an attractive choice before we star imposing arbitrary fitting costs designed to funnel player choice into somebody's idea of what a role should be.

- Actually, it creates one trivial choice based on fitting costs. This adds to player agency and gameplay how?

-Agree. But if that's the case, what makes more sense: to look at the fitting capacity of the suits themselves, or to restrict player agency to impose class distinctions that should be supported in interesting ways by the suit's inherent bonuses? I choose the latter.

OK, I spoke without any explanation. What I wanted to get across was heavily tanked suits with high DPS (but it's an old problem).

Going by what Rattati has said though we may be getting code-breakers for high slots... So thats something!

I'll stop now..

Well, as of now, a Min Sentinel built for speed, which is the Min way of doing things, are pretty maxed on PG, so I hope the PG cost will be lowered for the Kincats... I dont want to loose my speedy Min Heavy. =/

I don't think it's absolutely necessary that Logistics need that much diversity. It's a role and each race has it's specialization, some are better than others. Sure, flat-lining them does sound bad at first but overall it's what we've done with everything else (all Sentinels have a defensive bonus toward different intended weapon types, as an example) and I don't feel that Logistics deserve some kind of special treatment.

Logistics are a support class, their entire role centralizes around supporting their team, so the inevitable question that I have toward all of this hoopla about the sidearms is: Why is the sidearm essential to the Logistics' role?

I don't feel that saying that you have nothing to do when you're done dropping your nanohives/drop-uplinks is a good excuse to have an additional offensive option. All that tells me is that you're either doing a really good job of supporting your team or are doing a poor job of supporting your team because you don't want to use the options available for your intended role.

The entire premise of having combat capable Logi's just defies logic to me. I don't understand why it is so imperative that Logistics must be combat effective in order to be a viable choice on the battlefield when you can take the time to walk over to a supply depot and change out. I've asked this question to players on Skype and the answer was that "It takes too long"... Using that logic, why should I have to go to a supply depot to grab an AV fit when a tank enters the field and the battle circumstances change?

And sure, you can argue that if we give cross racial bonuses (although I never insinuated that all Logistics would get bonuses to all equipment) to the Logistics, players will naturally align to whichever one has the most EHP, but that's usually been the case with every suit and it's not isolated to just the Logistics. Cross racial bonuses benefit more toward a support role, which is what the Logistics is designed towards. That has no effect on how they balance out in the end and it's a largely separate issue. Different suits will be better at different things; some more than others.

As far as the sidearms and having two combat logistics? I hate the idea solely because I know for a fact that it's probably going to be used in the exact manner that you're using as an argument against cross racial bonuses. Players will align naturally to the most combat effective suit there is and tossing a sidearm arbitrarily on two of the Logistics because players have nothing else to do when they're done supporting their team seems like it's doing just that.

The only way I see that it could work is if those two 'combat Logis' sacrificed something in order to gain those sidearms and I don't think a single equipment slot on the Cal Logi is enough. It comes off as wanting the Logistics to be good at everything. The only reason it ever worked on the Amarr Logistics is because it's slower than the rest of the Logistics on top of having one less equipment slot. But again, I don't see how this benefits their chosen role in any way.

Giving assaults an hp buff wont help the assaults at all to what they are suppose to do which is to push, the scout already does that job even better than an assault which doesn't even makes any sense. The assault need bonuses that are rate of fire or damage to help them assault. Giving assaults 50 or 100 more hp will not help against those heavies who basically are like shooting a wall with three logis repping them.