Since it is so elegantly balanced, why are gallente scouts predominant [no troll].

My problem is by changing this one thing you have change so many other things. There's no magic bullet for this. It seems like you're making this far more complicated than it should be because "this is the way it's going to be." I really don't understand this mindset. However--

The most simple way:
You'll need to change all scout suits base precisions so that with a max of 2 complex damps (caldari only has 2 lows) and a proto cloak active every scout can get under a gal focus scanner. You'll have to adjust the Gal's bonus for this accordingly so it doesn't get too low when it scales with all it's skills applied.

As for the Gal and Cal, move their bonuses to modules but have them at the same effectiveness as they do now so players have to equip them to use the bonuses.

Also you'll need to buff the Minmatar's PG because you are not going to fit a proto cloak on that thing. You can barely fit an adv cloak at proto level as it is with two damps.

You guys are making this way too hard on yourselves. There are a lot of things you're going to need to rebalance and a lot of numbers to crunch. I definitely feel as if you guys are taking the wrong approach to fix this problem and are going to cause more by taking this route.

To not have his cake and eat it too. The CA scout decided to specialize and sacrifice their whole fit to find scouts. The GA scout decided to specialize and sacrifice their whole fit to escape all scanning.

Not to mention, it is not his entire fitting, there is a high and a low slot available if I am not mistaken.

Rofl, didn't you see?

50% of scout use if gal.

Being unscannable with only 1 low slot > all.

Even with the new numbers caldari scouts cant see a galente scout (both not using modules). And even then galente gets the upper hand cause damps>precision enhancers. Then you add the +10% damp effect of a proto cloak on it and we are circle jerking.

I am going to say this now and most of you are not going to like it.

The idea of a mechanic invulnerability through ingame things should not or ever been a thing. The game of absolutions is not eve themed for the universe enough to warrant such gimmicks. While you can point to the cloak being this way in eve; you have to remember this is a long time problem along with local in null that has turned into a deadlocked feature planning on resolution.

Just because you got 0.001+ over another players counter number shouldn't account for this slight margin of error; this is the whole reason why sharpshooter was removed in the first place and weapon falloff was brought in.

Scanners and Detection should follow a similar route to eve's lock system. Greater the differences in scan vs stealth the longer it takes for one to appear on that target's radar; this will ultimately require a rebranding work on acceptable detection rates at various sizes/roles as well as sensor falloff strength for those sizes/roles as well as detection speeds expected. A heavy could be blind as a bat but if a scout stays behind him for a minute he may just get noticed. Throw damps on and you will not get seen as quickly as someone who is in the nude. Perform an action and mayhaps increase the rate of detection (firing your gun/ activating your ability) While this type of idea is likely impossible for dust 514. Don't expect the thinking of absolutions to survive into Legion.

put kin kats, and codebreakers in high slots, rest in low? :\

i dunno :p i just spam options.

(puts bowl down)

that would allow (matari to be faster, or hack quicker)
that would allow (amar to be fast, and have room for stamina, good for uplink running?)
would let gal scout have limited speed, and able to dampen/range amp
would let cal scout go all prec. happen and dampen, or even super speedy scout with low stanima lolol

well they're going to screw us anyways and not give us a respec. nothing to lose. lol

Lost my dignity along time ago.

still say just remove the 2nd equipment slot

if they want to run uplinks, they have to sacrifice the cloak.
Removes alot of options for the gall scout, but still leaves doors open.

I agree i have never been a big fan of the scan range bonus on the Gal scout. For two reasons

1) the cal scout already has this bonus and I don't see any reasoning in giving two scouts the same racial bonus.
2) it does not work that well with the second bonus.

If you look at that cal scout both bonuses make perfect sense in creating a unique role as both strengthen each other. That's pretty cool.

Now the gal scout can equip two prec enhancers to make some use of the scanrange but for me this bonus does not fit to a role and makes little sense in combination with the profile dampening.

I really have problems in finding the role CCP intended for the gal scout.

There are of curse combinations that would make a great role:

Dampening + NK or SG or sidearm damage bonus = stealthy assassin
Dampening + Hacking bonus = the true hacker unseen and fast
Dampening + Scanrange = ???

WTF how in hell did you come to this conclusion?? I am running gal scout since closed Beta more or less exclusively

You know what else might have worked? The original implementaiton that was planned. If CCP had retained the ability to fire from cloak, with the associated drain on cloaks when firing, shot gun scouts would be naked after killing one player for at (minimum) 15sec while waiting for their cloak to charge back to half charge. We could have had 'waves of oportunity' and instead we a got broken implementation due to an pre-nerf forced by the community.

To be honest I hate the cal scout as this suit seems extremely glitchi...the squad vision thing must be a bug (that CCP will probably never fix)

As I said by the fact both cal scouts bonusses strenghten each other that makes them soo powerful. My statement regarding the scanrange on the gal scout was really just related to the missing role. The role you mentioned can be performed way better by the cal scout (especially after the gal scout nerf).

So basically I want a different (unnerfed bonus that fits to a role).

This is what I say needs to be done to balance scouts. No more cloaked RE guys. No more cloaked uplinkers. It forces you to use a gun with the cloak.

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That was the point of his post...........

Anyways, you're right, nerfing cloaking and in general stealth gameplay isn't going to fix Gal scouts. They are supposed to be ghosts after all, so nerfing that just further pushes Gal scouts into tanking up, which is counter productive............