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Driftward wrote:

Sana Rayya wrote:

I don't see the extra 25% of dampening from the cloak as a big deal. It's basically like throwing a complex profile dampener on your suit, at the huge cost that the cloaks come with, and a dampener that is only working when your cloak is active. Remember that scanning itself will be far less effective as it is now (given the snapshot effect, long cooldown times, and "dark" times between consecutive scans, as illumination time is now shorter than the cooldown time).

I see the dampening on cloaks as something to make up for not giving the non-Gal scouts the 5% profile reduction per level. This will get them to the same profile dB as non-cloaked Gal scouts so long as they remain cloaked. While they can evade 28dB proto scans when their cloak is active, they'd still need additional dampening to avoid Gal Logi proto scans (21dB) or focused scans (15dB).

Ummm...so with one complex dampener plus a cloak you are now at 18.5 dB. Well under what ANY suit can get with an active scanner EXCEPT two. The only suits that could then scan on a scout would be
1) Gal logi with the duvolled focused (now at 20dB native precision with new equip stats)
OR
2) Caldari scout wearing 3 complex precision enhancers (out of 4 slots available). That is absolutely ridiculous

Remember that this is ANY scout wearing a STANDARD cloak with 1 complex dampener.

A NON SCOUT will be at 25 dB with 1 complex dampener and a STANDARD cloak. Meaning only a Gal logi with a proto (non-focussed) scanner, anyone using a duvolled focused, or a cal scout sporting a precision enhancer could pick them up.

Not only that, but you just admitted that they are nerfing scanners. In the same sentence as saying that extra dampening on cloaks isn't a big deal.

So the only counter to cloaks just got a nerf and is less effective, sure that dampening power is fine (sarcasm)....

I would be very concerned if this bonus stays constant throughout the tiers and even more concerned if the top end remains at 25% bonus. It's too much people. To stay off scanners *completely* should totally gimp a suit (or be super specialized, ie gallente scout). Not cost you ONE module slot and an equipment that you were going to use anyways.

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Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1648	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:38:00 - [1] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: Logi with a cloak, yep that's happenin. Makes me wonder: Will the Logis new "Equipment requires less CPU / PG" effect the cloak field? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1669	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:27:00 - [2] - Quote Driftward wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: I don't see the extra 25% of dampening from the cloak as a big deal. It's basically like throwing a complex profile dampener on your suit, at the huge cost that the cloaks come with, and a dampener that is only working when your cloak is active. Remember that scanning itself will be far less effective as it is now (given the snapshot effect, long cooldown times, and "dark" times between consecutive scans, as illumination time is now shorter than the cooldown time). I see the dampening on cloaks as something to make up for not giving the non-Gal scouts the 5% profile reduction per level. This will get them to the same profile dB as non-cloaked Gal scouts so long as they remain cloaked. While they can evade 28dB proto scans when their cloak is active, they'd still need additional dampening to avoid Gal Logi proto scans (21dB) or focused scans (15dB). Ummm...so with one complex dampener plus a cloak you are now at 18.5 dB. Well under what ANY suit can get with an active scanner EXCEPT two. The only suits that could then scan on a scout would be 1) Gal logi with the duvolled focused (now at 20dB native precision with new equip stats) OR 2) Caldari scout wearing 3 complex precision enhancers (out of 4 slots available). That is absolutely ridiculous Remember that this is ANY scout wearing a STANDARD cloak with 1 complex dampener. A NON SCOUT will be at 25 dB with 1 complex dampener and a STANDARD cloak. Meaning only a Gal logi with a proto (non-focussed) scanner, anyone using a duvolled focused, or a cal scout sporting a precision enhancer could pick them up. Not only that, but you just admitted that they are nerfing scanners. In the same sentence as saying that extra dampening on cloaks isn't a big deal. So the only counter to cloaks just got a nerf and is less effective, sure that dampening power is fine (sarcasm).... I would be very concerned if this bonus stays constant throughout the tiers and even more concerned if the top end remains at 25% bonus. It's too much people. To stay off scanners *completely* should totally gimp a suit (or be super specialized, ie gallente scout). Not cost you ONE module slot and an equipment that you were going to use anyways. Simplest solution in my opinion would be to make cloaks increase the profile, instead of decreasing it. So when you're using a cloak you give up on radar invisibility for being actually invisible. And when you don't use it you're very hard to scan, but your character can be seen. This should really be adressed before the game becomes Scout 514. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!