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Protected Void wrote:

ReGnYuM wrote:

Protected Void wrote:

ReGnYuM wrote:

Seriously, heavys do not need another Buff.

I don't even **** with a heavy in 1v1 anymore
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And I am an exception to most rules

Really? Heavies are definitely way more difficult to handle than before, but that just makes them more of a challenge. 1v1 against a heavy is fun, I win about 70% of them. When I don't, it's usually because I'm doing something stupid or get stuck on the terrain. Enemy groups that include a heavy, though, is a whole different kettle of fish.

BTW: I run an advanced level scout suit with just over 300 HP and advanced ScR. I tank - if having 1 complex module of each counts as tanking - speed, scan range and shields (can't use my second high slot due to insufficient CPU and PG).

Why do I even waste my breath.

But who am I to argue with you. Clearly you are:

A. More experienced than me

B. A much better player

...

Whoah. A little bit touchy, there.

A. I'm absolutely positive I'm not more experienced than you - especially not in PC (I've done a puny 20 or so).
B. I'm also certain that I'm not a better player than you. You've certainly kicked ass (both mine and others) the few times I've played in the same matches as me. On an absolute skill scale, I'm pretty sure you're leaps and bounds ahead of me. I'm also fairly certain that I have a quite different play style from yours, though. My post wasn't made to brag about my own accomplishments and skill. It was also not made to compare my skills to yours. It was simply an attempt to express that I think heavies are fine as is - instead of the sitting ducks they often were before - and that I find it a nice challenge to go up against them.

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THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 329	Posted - 2014.01.07 14:58:00 - [151] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They best be refunding heavy SP SHOULD they decide to refund anything at all, then it's probably the whole dropsuit tree. Dunno what I'd do with a DS respec...I currently have gal and min logi proto, I'd probably drop gal and keep min I guess. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 2707	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:04:00 - [152] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Hopefully this is bullshit. I don't wanna lose my bonus to hacking speed as a Minmatar Logi Truthfully, you'll still hack fast as hell with the complex codebreakers...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9708	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:05:00 - [153] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They best be refunding heavy SP SHOULD they decide to refund anything at all, then it's probably the whole dropsuit tree. Dunno what I'd do with a DS respec...I currently have gal and min logi proto, I'd probably drop gal and keep min I guess. I just won't stick with this game if they force me to keep this Amarr garbage ive been stuck with for almost 2 years. All I've wanted is my Gallente heavy. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 651	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:07:00 - [154] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Gal bonus is not that good after all. I mean, it doesn't change your life, with an ADV scanner you will pick 90% of players, scan duration is good enough, scanner recharge is fast, so you can spam another scan before the effect of the firts goes away. As a Gal Logi, why would I use an Adv scanner (getting me 27dB) and perhaps let some people dodge my scans when I can use a proto scanner (21db) and pick up EVERYONE? The difference between the two is only ISK and 8 CPU, which will really be 6 CPU considering the equipment fitting bonus. Also, longer scans from the Duvolle Quantum mean less time spent scanning (i.e. vulnerable) and more time with my gun out. Mark me; if equipment stays the same and these changes go into effect, you can guarantee that stealth tanking will be dead if a Gal Logi is scanning on the other side. Everyone will run high HP suits and everyone will be perma-scanned. Lower HP ADV suits won't have an edge by way of the element of surprise anymore, so things will turn into a high HP slugfest where whichever side pulls the most proto first, wins. Kind of like ambush games against Nyain San.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 58	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:07:00 - [155] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: They should change the Gal scanner precision buff to a range buff instead. Problem solved and stealth tanking is still viable. Edit: Actually it should be 10% to range and 5% to scan duration, per level. that's just gamebreaking No, it isn't. Nearly everyone uses the Quantum scanners anyway, so that's an extra 50m and 4sec on the Advanced, and 6.25sec on the Duvolle Quantum. If you used the Credron Flux Scanner, you'd get an extra 100m and have a slight edge in dropping OBs. Due to its long cooldown time, it isn't good for much else. The point being, at least you could still hide from these scanners by using two complex dampeners. It's more balanced to have one side with longer range/longer duration scanners and still be able to hide from them, than to give them longer duration scanners with such a high precision that you can't hide from them no matter what you do. Yeah, what but what about the 2-3 guys standing next you or me who lights up like a Christmas tree because they aren't dampened or can't get under the threshold in the first place, I'd doubt the OB dropped on top of us is not going to kill me simply because I'm dampened. You're forgetting the range is a radius, and everyone who uses a scanner spins around like a cracked out ballerina every time they scan. So it's an extra 100m and 200m of scan range, how many letters could you scan simultaneously? Would the enemy team even be able to approach if they weren't already being hunted down?
Dengru Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 351	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:08:00 - [156] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Hopefully this is bullshit. I don't wanna lose my bonus to hacking speed as a Minmatar Logi Truthfully, you'll still hack fast as hell with the complex codebreakers... And I am usually the guy who says "no refunds", but this is not a simple change to one or two suits. This changes the entire game for pretty much everybody. I imagine there are probably scout changes coming as well. I think its interesting that the commando will now be the highest DPS suit. but the good thing was that with just 1 codebreaker that you could have a really swift hack... 2 for overkill... and now the bonus is reptools? Thats one of the most passive and uninteresting aspects of the game, standing behind someone, sniffing their butt, holding r.. WHO needs a bonus for that? (>^_^)><(^.^<)
ReGnYuM Imperfects 1735	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:09:00 - [157] - Quote Protected Void wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Protected Void wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Seriously, heavys do not need another Buff. I don't even *** with a heavy in 1v1 anymore* ^ And I am an exception to most rules Really? Heavies are definitely way more difficult to handle than before, but that just makes them more of a challenge. 1v1 against a heavy is fun, I win about 70% of them. When I don't, it's usually because I'm doing something stupid or get stuck on the terrain. Enemy groups that include a heavy, though, is a whole different kettle of fish. BTW: I run an advanced level scout suit with just over 300 HP and advanced ScR. I tank - if having 1 complex module of each counts as tanking - speed, scan range and shields (can't use my second high slot due to insufficient CPU and PG). Why do I even waste my breath. But who am I to argue with you. Clearly you are: A. More experienced than me B. A much better player ... Whoah. A little bit touchy, there. A. I'm absolutely positive I'm not more experienced than you - especially not in PC (I've done a puny 20 or so). B. I'm also certain that I'm not a better player than you. You've certainly kicked ass (both mine and others) the few times I've played in the same matches as me. On an absolute skill scale, I'm pretty sure you're leaps and bounds ahead of me. I'm also fairly certain that I have a quite different play style from yours, though. My post wasn't made to brag about my own accomplishments and skill. It was also not made to compare my skills to yours. It was simply an attempt to express that I think heavies are fine as is - instead of the sitting ducks they often were before - and that I find it a nice challenge to go up against them. Sorry in a my Statistics Class, and my coffee is taking longer than intended Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress
Scout Registry 349	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:09:00 - [158] - Quote Protected Void wrote: I'm also certain that I'm not a better player than you. You've certainly kicked ass (both mine and others) the few times I've played in the same matches as me. On an absolute skill scale, I'm pretty sure you're leaps and bounds ahead of me. I'm also fairly certain that I have a quite different play style from yours, though. My post wasn't made to brag about my own accomplishments and skill. It was also not made to compare my skills to yours. It was simply an attempt to express that I think heavies are fine as is - instead of the sitting ducks they often were before - and that I find it a nice challenge to go up against them. Should his head swell further, there will be no helmet to fit it.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1957	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:11:00 - [159] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They best be refunding heavy SP SHOULD they decide to refund anything at all, then it's probably the whole dropsuit tree. Dunno what I'd do with a DS respec...I currently have gal and min logi proto, I'd probably drop gal and keep min I guess. I just won't stick with this game if they force me to keep this Amarr garbage ive been stuck with for almost 2 years. All I've wanted is my Gallente heavy. You haven't been forced. You chose to spend SP and you didn't choose to save it. You will have the same ability and right to spend new SP or saved SP on the new heavies just like everyone else. There is no violation of fairness here. Move along.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7845	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:12:00 - [160] - Quote YES! bonuses enforcing roles! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1264	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:23:00 - [161] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: shaman oga wrote: Gal bonus is not that good after all. I mean, it doesn't change your life, with an ADV scanner you will pick 90% of players, scan duration is good enough, scanner recharge is fast, so you can spam another scan before the effect of the firts goes away. As a Gal Logi, why would I use an Adv scanner (getting me 27dB) and perhaps let some people dodge my scans when I can use a proto scanner (21db) and pick up EVERYONE? The difference between the two is only ISK and 8 CPU, which will really be 6 CPU considering the equipment fitting bonus. Also, longer scans from the Duvolle Quantum mean less time spent scanning (i.e. vulnerable) and more time with my gun out. Mark me; if equipment stays the same and these changes go into effect, you can guarantee that stealth tanking will be dead if a Gal Logi is scanning on the other side. Everyone will run high HP suits and everyone will be perma-scanned. Lower HP ADV suits won't have an edge by way of the element of surprise anymore, so things will turn into a high HP slugfest where whichever side pulls the most proto first, wins. Kind of like ambush games against Nyain San. Compared to the other bonus it sucks, i can perma scan enemies now, what will change? If i have to scan 2 times now then i will scan 1, but that's not a great effort for everyone with a scanner. "Our Blueberries are better than yours" *My Terribad Bolas Launcher*
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 656	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:29:00 - [162] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Yeah, what but what about the 2-3 guys standing next you or me who lights up like a Christmas tree because they aren't dampened or can't get under the threshold in the first place, they wouldn't specifically that I'm there but definitely know which direction my squad/team is coming from. I'd doubt the OB dropped on top of us is not going to kill me simply because I'm dampened. You're forgetting the range is a radius, and everyone who uses a scanner spins around like a cracked out ballerina every time they scan. So it's an extra 100m and 200m of scan range, how many letters could you scan simultaneously? Would the enemy team even be able to approach if they weren't already being hunted down? Okay, give the 5% to range and the 10% to duration, if that's what you want. I don't particularly see a problem in buffing range, simply because outside of orbitals and sniping, most engagements will happen within 100m anyway, at which point scanners from both teams would be just as effective range-wise. The main issue I have is in buffing the scan precision. This would be a huge mistake. We should have the option of being able to dodge scans by sacrificing some HP by using 2 complex dampeners. This option shouldn't be taken away just because a super-scanning Gal Logi is on the other side. Before anyone brings up the Duvolle Focused Scanner, let me reiterate that this scanner is a POS due to its long scan time (5 sec where you can't use your weapon), short light up time (5 sec after your scan ends), and long cooldown time (33 seconds between consecutive scans). Those are its drawbacks. A 21dB scanner with a 2 sec scan time, 31 seconds of light up, and 17 sec between consecutive scans would be ridiculously OP. It's a scanner that only proto scouts can hide from (with 2 complex dampeners) and everyone else is perma-scanned.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 656	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:34:00 - [163] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Compared to the other bonus it sucks, i can perma scan enemies now, what will change? If i have to scan 2 times now then i will scan 1, but that's not a great effort for everyone with a scanner. You can't perma-scan everyone. It's possible for medium frames and easy for scouts to dodge 28dB scans, and perma-scanning with the Duvolle Focused requires three to four people in your squad using this scanner and coordinating their scans. If this buff goes through, for all intents and purposes, no one will be able to hide from your 28dB (now 21dB) proto, spammable scanners. This will make a big difference in gameplay.
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 375	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:35:00 - [164] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: Unless CCP is also changing the suits themselves, the proficiency skill, and the damage modifier modules, this looks a little like power creep to me. More damage, faster reloads, weapon resistances, explosive resistances.... Keep this up and in another year we are going to end with suits with over 2k ehp, that will still die in 1 second against weapons with a +25-40% damage (modules+bonus+proficiency). New players are going to get so destroyed. Oh wait, they are destroyed right now. Now that I think about it, they probably wont notice any difference between dying in 0.5 seconds or 0.25. Considering that the Sentinel bonus(es) aren't per level and seem to be static (subject to change) it might be privy for new players start out with the Sentinel and work their way outward from there. Looks like a pretty nice selection for a new player, actually, with more base HP and less focus on fitting selection. I had not notice it, but It's true that it doesn't say anywhere in the description if the Sentinel Bonus is per level or not. Thanks for pointing that out. The only thing I can say, is that if it is not level depending, it will be a pretty useless bonus, about 40 hp extra hp for a 1500 hp sentinel, although better than the current one. However, chances are that the suit bonus is per level, like all the others. I am waiting to see if they have changed suit stats also, or if they have embarked on the slippery slope of power creep.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9708	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:38:00 - [165] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They best be refunding heavy SP SHOULD they decide to refund anything at all, then it's probably the whole dropsuit tree. Dunno what I'd do with a DS respec...I currently have gal and min logi proto, I'd probably drop gal and keep min I guess. I just won't stick with this game if they force me to keep this Amarr garbage ive been stuck with for almost 2 years. All I've wanted is my Gallente heavy. You haven't been forced. You chose to spend SP and you didn't choose to save it. You will have the same ability and right to spend new SP or saved SP on the new heavies just like everyone else. There is no violation of fairness here. So I was just supposed to not play heavy for two years because CCP didn't release all the basic variants? That's your final answer? Would you like to phone a friend first? Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 578	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:40:00 - [166] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They best be refunding heavy SP SHOULD they decide to refund anything at all, then it's probably the whole dropsuit tree. Dunno what I'd do with a DS respec...I currently have gal and min logi proto, I'd probably drop gal and keep min I guess. I just won't stick with this game if they force me to keep this Amarr garbage ive been stuck with for almost 2 years. All I've wanted is my Gallente heavy. You haven't been forced. You chose to spend SP and you didn't choose to save it. You will have the same ability and right to spend new SP or saved SP on the new heavies just like everyone else. There is no violation of fairness here. And this is absolute rubbish - You should be forced to twiddle your thumbs for a year plus waiting on basic content ???? No wonder CCP think they can dole out anything and its ok. ITS BASIC CONTENT - That is unacceptable.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 254	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:51:00 - [167] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Compared to the other bonus it sucks, i can perma scan enemies now, what will change? Hopefully, scanning mechanics.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 4070	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:54:00 - [168] - Quote I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1221	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:56:00 - [169] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. That's what you said about the original stats of the ferroscale and reactive plates before they were released. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 951	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:57:00 - [170] - Quote Losing the hack bonus is going to be really sad, but I also don't think the Minnie logi bonus is at all bad for folks who sit behind heavies protecting points. There's some really nice logi bonus choices here. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9711	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:58:00 - [171] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. Why must you tease me so Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1380	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:58:00 - [172] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. How about the Minmatar Heavy? ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 300/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 214	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:04:00 - [173] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. So basically, don't expect racial heavies to happen any time soon, or even soonGäó?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5380	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:06:00 - [174] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. That's what you said about the original stats of the ferroscale and reactive plates before they were released. After it's released, if the stats stay the same I will link this and say "CRYSTAL BALL IS ALWAYS RIGHT" Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 271	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:06:00 - [175] - Quote I really want this all to be true, but I refuse to get my hopes up again. That being said, I really hope they limit any respec to drop suits.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1958	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:06:00 - [176] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: That's your final answer? Would you like to phone a friend first? No, to have the 'heavy experience' (level III in amarr heavy dropsuits and HMG/FG) you only need to spend about 1.5 mill SP. That is really not all that much. You could spend another 3 mill to spec all those things into proto. Considering that a lot of people playing for that long have 20+ million SP, 2.7 million in a heavy suit you didn't ultimately want and a couple million more in other heavy weapons wouldn't be that terrible of an investment, IMO. In an ideal world, yes, it would have been nice to get all the heavies at once. I'm not sure what stopped CCP, but I don't imagine that it was some evil corporate business plan. I think they wanted infantry balance to work out nicely. If we would have had all the heavies at the beginning of uprising/end of chromosome, you would probably have seen 50% of people as heavies making this a totally different game. Now with a resurgence of need of AV, I'm thinking that heavies will help tip that balance back toward infantry, along with making a little higher TTK for some players, and lower for others (assaults/logis sorry )
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 91	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:07:00 - [177] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Hopefully this is bullshit. I don't wanna lose my bonus to hacking speed as a Minmatar Logi Truthfully, you'll still hack fast as hell with the complex codebreakers... And I am usually the guy who says "no refunds", but this is not a simple change to one or two suits. This changes the entire game for pretty much everybody. I imagine there are probably scout changes coming as well. I think its interesting that the commando will now be the highest DPS suit. Im already using an enhanced codebreaker. I specialized in hacking purposefully, now I'll lose that 25% extra hacking speed I get from having Minmatar Logistics at lvl 5. A complex codebreaker won't offset that loss. :/
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 951	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:08:00 - [178] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why must you tease me so. Any chance you can say if there are any plans to refund Amarr heavy SP when the other three heavies drop? You shouldn't get a refund for skill points you've used that are still relevant and applicable in the current game. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 281	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:10:00 - [179] - Quote Very interesting, double-specific resistance bonuses on the Sentinel suits. I like it. Does "blast damage" mean just explosives, or does it include all splash damage? I just went from not wanting to skill into either Commando or Sentinel to wanting to skill into both, along with the respective light weapons. Gallente Commando with a Plasma Cannon and an Assault Rifle would be so fun and so very dangerous. Minmatar Commando with Combat Rifle and Mass Driver could also be great. On the other hand, I'm not sure there's enough of a difference between the Laser Rifle and the Scrambler Rifle to get good results from the Amarr, and the Sniper Rifle and Rail Rifle don't serve complementary roles at all. I hope there are more interesting light weapons in the works. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9712	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:12:00 - [180] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Why must you tease me so. Any chance you can say if there are any plans to refund Amarr heavy SP when the other three heavies drop? You shouldn't get a refund for skill points you've used that are still relevant and applicable in the current game. So you're saying I should have just not been a heavy even though that's what I wanted to play, simply because CCP decided that releasing all racial variants wasn't important? How does me playing a Gallente heavy instead of an Amarr heavy effect you? Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict



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