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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:34:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: Neither of which are railguns xD
This, the swarm and plasma cannons dont have blaster or railgun tags, they have thier own ones
Tech De Ra for CPM1
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Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
375
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:38:00 -
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Unless CCP is also changing the suits themselves, the proficiency skill, and the damage modifier modules, this looks a little like power creep to me.
More damage, faster reloads, weapon resistances, explosive resistances....
Keep this up and in another year we are going to end with suits with over 2k ehp, that will still die in 1 second against weapons with a +25-40% damage (modules+bonus+proficiency).
New players are going to get so destroyed. Oh wait, they are destroyed right now. Now that I think about it, they probably wont notice any difference between dying in 0.5 seconds or 0.25.
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1957
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:38:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:Racial Logi bonuses: FAIL HARDER, CCP, PLEASE.
Thanks for removing the thing that made me spec into the Minlogi in the first place, sweet, well played. And yes, you said the bonuses were temporary, but could you have chosen anything LESS suited for the Minmatar logi? I mean, seriously?
FYI Gal/Min/Cal logi suits already have a 15% hacking speed bonus while Amarr have 10% bonus. The added 5% was nice, but the repair range will be very helpful as well. |
Oswald Rehnquist
996
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:38:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: Neither of which are railguns xD
This, the swarm and plasma cannons dont have blaster or railgun tags, they have thier own ones
Ironically the min commando can do a swarm launcher combat rifle combo (swarm launches are explosive, not sure how its tagged though)
The gal com can do a shotgun assault rifle combo
the amarr com can do a a scrambler laser rifle combo
and the cal commando can do a duel rail rifle combo?
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RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
626
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:40:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:Racial Logi bonuses: FAIL HARDER, CCP, PLEASE.
Thanks for removing the thing that made me spec into the Minlogi in the first place, sweet, well played. And yes, you said the bonuses were temporary, but could you have chosen anything LESS suited for the Minmatar logi? I mean, seriously? FYI Gal/Min/Cal logi suits already have a 15% hacking speed bonus while Amarr have 10% bonus. The added 5% was nice, but the repair range will be very helpful as well.
In open fields...not exactly the place where I want to be with a minmatar logi.
I wonder if they would change the current skill-tree heavily too? |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1957
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:42:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:So the juicy bonuses goes to Amarr and Gallente....
I do hope these changes will warrant a re-spec of Our dropsuit skills.
As far as I've been told from EVE players, Caldari is supposed to be best race for E-war and the scanning bonus goes to Galente...
Edit:
If Caldari and Gallente switched bonuses and Amarr and Minmatar did the same, wouldn't that make more sense gameplay wise and perhaps even lore wise?
Anyways, too bad the awesome hack bonus dissapears, perhaps it'll get allocated to a scout suit???
If you can put all of your tank in your high slots that leaves your low slots for damps. Unless you have to cowardtank with armor as well. I think the setup of caldari means they have the best option to still play the ECM game. |
Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
257
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:42:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: Neither of which are railguns xD
This, the swarm and plasma cannons dont have blaster or railgun tags, they have thier own ones Ironically the min commando can do a swarm launcher combat rifle combo (swarm launches are explosive, not sure how its tagged though) The gal com can do a shotgun assault rifle combo the amarr com can do a a scrambler laser rifle combo and the cal commando can do a duel rail rifle combo?
tag.1tag_weapon tag.2tag_light tag.3tag_handheld_weapon tag.0tag_weapon_swarmlauncher tag.4tag_weaponclass_hybrid
tag.3tag_weapon tag.0tag_light tag.2tag_handheld_weapon tag.1tag_weapon_massdriver
The minny bonus will be meant for the mass driver, there are no matching tags so im not sure if the swarm launcher also gets obnuses
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Sirys Lyons
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:43:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote: and the cal commando can do a duel rail rifle combo?
Let's just add akimbo and call it quits.
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Zaria Min Deir
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
446
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:43:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:Racial Logi bonuses: FAIL HARDER, CCP, PLEASE.
Thanks for removing the thing that made me spec into the Minlogi in the first place, sweet, well played. And yes, you said the bonuses were temporary, but could you have chosen anything LESS suited for the Minmatar logi? I mean, seriously? FYI Gal/Min/Cal logi suits already have a 15% hacking speed bonus while Amarr have 10% bonus. The added 5% was nice, but the repair range will be very helpful as well. The added 25% you mean? not 5%. And the repair range is nice in theory, but you have to remember that reps don't work through stuff like, you know, walls and terrain features. And rep tools are already stupidly good, the bonus won't make that much of a difference IMHO.
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
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Oswald Rehnquist
996
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:44:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: Neither of which are railguns xD
This, the swarm and plasma cannons dont have blaster or railgun tags, they have thier own ones Ironically the min commando can do a swarm launcher combat rifle combo (swarm launches are explosive, not sure how its tagged though) The gal com can do a shotgun assault rifle combo the amarr com can do a a scrambler laser rifle combo and the cal commando can do a duel rail rifle combo? tag.1tag_weapon tag.2tag_light tag.3tag_handheld_weapon tag.0tag_weapon_swarmlauncher tag.4tag_weaponclass_hybrid tag.3tag_weapon tag.0tag_light tag.2tag_handheld_weapon tag.1tag_weapon_massdriver The minny bonus will be meant for the mass driver, there are no matching tags so im not sure if the swarm launcher also gets obnuses
Thanks for that
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:44:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote: and the cal commando can do a duel rail rifle combo?
Rail rifle + tactical sniper, this might be really fun for a mid range heavy
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
84
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:44:00 -
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I still believe they will reduce all logi suits pg/cpu. This will make it harder to use logis as logi slayers.
And with the new bonus to reduce equipment pg/cpu usage I am even more convinced that this will happen. |
Oswald Rehnquist
996
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:46:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote: and the cal commando can do a duel rail rifle combo?
Rail rifle + tactical sniper, this might be really fun for a mid range heavy
I'm an idiot, I blame the fact that its 5 am and I haven't gone to sleep yet, yeah I forgot the sniper rifle, this itself might actually make them useful
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1604
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:47:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:KingBabar wrote:So the juicy bonuses goes to Amarr and Gallente....
I do hope these changes will warrant a re-spec of Our dropsuit skills.
As far as I've been told from EVE players, Caldari is supposed to be best race for E-war and the scanning bonus goes to Galente...
Edit:
If Caldari and Gallente switched bonuses and Amarr and Minmatar did the same, wouldn't that make more sense gameplay wise and perhaps even lore wise?
Anyways, too bad the awesome hack bonus dissapears, perhaps it'll get allocated to a scout suit??? If you can put all of your tank in your high slots that leaves your low slots for damps. Unless you have to cowardtank with armor as well. I think the setup of caldari means they have the best option to still play the ECM game.
With a respec I guess it'll be a dual tanked Galente With 2 plates, 2 damps, 2 Shields 2 dmg mods, (and 2 sets of repping hives :) )
you just can't beat the extra 50% visability durations (thats 12.5 sec base With a proto scanner) not to mention the 25% extra to scanning Precision, me thinks even a scout needs 2 damps to avoid it....
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Foundation Seldon
Gespenster Kompanie
361
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:48:00 -
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Yeah, despite the changes to the suit bonuses themselves we still don't know whether or not they'll be tweaking things like slot layout and PG/CPU values of the suits. Going to be interesting to hear more in the coming weeks.
Saga v. Methana Balance
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:48:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Noooooooooo look at that crappy Minmatar logistics bonus!!! Agreed What is the point of being a light, fast logi if we have to sit still behind a heavy and get shot at all day? -_- whats the point in being slow and armor tanked if i am supposed to be running around like lightening laying uplinks?
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1342
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:49:00 -
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Can some please explain why CCP wants the weakest of all Logis to be the primary medic? Yes, it has speed which will enable one to reach his or her target faster but speed hardly matters anymore with TTK being so low. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
626
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:50:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I still believe they will reduce all logi suits pg/cpu. This will make it harder to use logis as logi slayers.
And with the new bonus to reduce equipment pg/cpu usage I am even more convinced that this will happen.
I believe you are only familiar with 'logi slayers' as a reduction will also mean that it would be harder to make a decent proto-logi (even with the bonuses). |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:50:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Unless CCP is also changing the suits themselves, the proficiency skill, and the damage modifier modules, this looks a little like power creep to me. More damage, faster reloads, weapon resistances, explosive resistances.... Keep this up and in another year we are going to end with suits with over 2k ehp, that will still die in 1 second against weapons with a +25-40% damage (modules+bonus+proficiency). New players are going to get so destroyed. Oh wait, they are destroyed right now. Now that I think about it, they probably wont notice any difference between dying in 0.5 seconds or 0.25.
Considering that the Sentinel bonus(es) aren't per level and seem to be static (subject to change) it might be privy for new players start out with the Sentinel and work their way outward from there. Looks like a pretty nice selection for a new player, actually, with more base HP and less focus on fitting selection.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1342
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:53:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Noooooooooo look at that crappy Minmatar logistics bonus!!! Agreed What is the point of being a light, fast logi if we have to sit still behind a heavy and get shot at all day? -_- whats the point in being slow and armor tanked if i am supposed to be running around like lightening laying uplinks? We should totally switch Logi bonuses... =/ |
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY!!!
Why are you believing OP?!?
He has shown descriptions and NOTHING MORE. The rest is hearsay.
Why would the race with the 2nd lowest HP per class need a logi with a bonus to reps? It should go to the race with the walking tanks - The Gallente. Because I provided screenshots from Singularity at the bottom of the post??? Fair play sir, you have my apologies. and I humbly beg forgiveness
Still doesn't explain the Republic's military thinking (i.e CCP's)
'"Logi, we need you now, my tiny insignificant armour on my mostly shield duel tank needs repping" "..I didn't need to rush, this thing has enough range to heal you across the map, and still miss"
Why couldn't it be explosives??
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4390
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:58:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY!!!
Why are you believing OP?!?
He has shown descriptions and NOTHING MORE. The rest is hearsay.
Why would the race with the 2nd lowest HP per class need a logi with a bonus to reps? It should go to the race with the walking tanks - The Gallente. Because I provided screenshots from Singularity at the bottom of the post??? Fair play sir, you have my apologies. and I humbly beg forgiveness Still doesn't explain the Republic's military thinking (i.e CCP's) '"Logi, we need you now, my tiny insignificant armour on my mostly shield duel tank needs repping" "..I didn't need to rush, this thing has enough range to heal you across the map, and still miss" Why couldn't it be explosives??
No need to apologize. We're all on the same team here ^_^
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:03:00 -
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They are gonna either end up changing scanners or that gallante bonus, thats ridiculous as if scanners weren't bad enough already.
Amarr will become an uplink spammer, Caldari will become a hive spammer and no-one will get any use out of that minie bonus.
However I'm mors interested as to the fact the items were on sale in an eve market. P2P market almost ready prehaps?
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Kaylee Veloc
ShootBreakStab
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:05:00 -
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Quote:Gallente Logistics Bonus: +10% to active scanner visibility duration and +5% to active scanner precision per level.
So certain fast moving suits with only 2 low slots as well as profile dampening itself will become useless (as in just what would be the point over HP anymore), it already takes level 5 and a complex dampener for medium frames to get below an advanced scanner, how much more must be sacrificed because of 1 piece of equipment?
It's not like there was already a rise in Gallente Logi's not so long back because of the way they could be fit either right? |
Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
56
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:05:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:I still believe they will reduce all logi suits pg/cpu. This will make it harder to use logis as logi slayers.
And with the new bonus to reduce equipment pg/cpu usage I am even more convinced that this will happen. I believe you are only familiar with 'logi slayers' as a reduction will also mean that it would be harder to make a decent proto-logi (even with the bonuses).
Already had this conversation in another thread a few days ago, harder yes but not impossible. |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4390
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:06:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:They are gonna either end up changing scanners or that gallante bonus, thats ridiculous as if scanners weren't bad enough already.
Amarr will become an uplink spammer, Caldari will become a hive spammer and no-one will get any use out of that minie bonus.
However I'm mors interested as to the fact the items were on sale in an eve market. P2P market almost ready prehaps?
Infantry gear has always been on the Eve market with associated prices but aren't available for purchase by Eve players. They're stocked in the stations that Dusters are (locked) in so that there's a never ending supply by the NPC providers.
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:07:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:They are gonna either end up changing scanners or that gallante bonus, thats ridiculous as if scanners weren't bad enough already.
Amarr will become an uplink spammer, Caldari will become a hive spammer and no-one will get any use out of that minie bonus.
However I'm mors interested as to the fact the items were on sale in an eve market. P2P market almost ready prehaps?
They arnt on sale in the market, but have always been listed, these are just new additions on the eve test server
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4390
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:08:00 -
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Kaylee Veloc wrote:Quote:Gallente Logistics Bonus: +10% to active scanner visibility duration and +5% to active scanner precision per level. So certain fast moving suits with only 2 low slots as well as profile dampening itself will become useless (as in just what would be the point over HP anymore), it already takes level 5 and a complex dampener for medium frames to get below an advanced scanner, how much more must be sacrificed because of 1 piece of equipment? It's not like there was already a rise in Gallente Logi's not so long back because of the way they could be fit either right?
Consider it from a future stand-point. They have intentions to release racial parity and balance for Scouts, so I'd imagine they're going to do a lot to make sure that they're balanced out with the help of the CPM to accomodate for these changes.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
1073
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:08:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:So the juicy bonuses goes to Amarr and Gallente....
I do hope these changes will warrant a re-spec of Our dropsuit skills.
As far as I've been told from EVE players, Caldari is supposed to be best race for E-war and the scanning bonus goes to Galente...
Edit:
If Caldari and Gallente switched bonuses and Amarr and Minmatar did the same, wouldn't that make more sense gameplay wise and perhaps even lore wise?
Anyways, too bad the awesome hack bonus dissapears, perhaps it'll get allocated to a scout suit???
whoever you've been speaking to in eve is wrong. every race gets a pretty awesome ewar bonus.
the only gall skill that doesn't make sense in the list is the explosive bonus. that's completely wrong in eve-terms. |
Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:10:00 -
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No Scouts? |
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