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Aeon Amadi wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

I disagree. A minor 5-10% bonus on this or that per level, is the sort of thing that changes with EVE frequently, and EVE doesn't get a respec every time their ship got re-tiered. If so, we'd have gotten five respecs in the last two years. These sorts of changes will ALWAYS happen in an MMO, because balance and redesign will ALWAYS happen.

The Minmatar Logistics suit, and Amarr Heavy suit are both still functional suits, that have been adjusted due to new content. This happens often, and will continue to happen in perpetuity, even after you consider the game "complete". Note the massive ship rebalancing project EVE is undertaking, that offers no respecs. People can continue to use the suits they have skills for, and invest new skill points in new suits if they're so inclined to branch out.

Respec is one of the things powering Fit Of The Month behavior, it's time to kill it.

Right but the changes that occur in eve usually affect the bonuses they already have. It'd be like going to a ship and completely changing it's intended play-style; like turning an EWAR ship into a Logistics ship (which is technically what they did with the Minmatar Logistics). Whenever you take an item in a game and change it's polarity to a completely different element or playstyle, you're directly infringing on the player's choice of running that suit in the first place. This isn't just a slight number change it's an entirely specialization re-focus.

A full respect might not be necessary but an SP refund on select skills would do CCP justice with the community, regardless of FotM arguments.

Cris Sugau wrote:

OP, you should add the new militia equipment.

There was none when I checked.

CCP Logibro wrote:

I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi.

Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final.

On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty.

As posted in the OP, all of this is subject to change but thank you for the blue tag ^_^

As previously stated guys, the Assault suit bonuses weren't on Sisi so I can't confirm any of it. They retained their current statistics.

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lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 337	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:50:00 - [331] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I do enjoy the fact that CPM didn't find out about all this stuff until it was posted publicly with no chances in prior discussion. CCP Shanghai seems dead set on developing in a black box. CCP can talk about transparency all they want, but until the developers responsible for the moment-to-moment gameplay actually bother having real discussions with the CPM and the community the talk of transparency is nothing but words. I think one thing is clear though from these proposed skill changes etc. If significant changes like this were to occur a full respec for everyone needs to be done without question. This pretty much tells me all I need to know (about CCP). CPMs role is to be an underappreciated voice for the community that will be ignored. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Incin3rate Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:57:00 - [332] - Quote As a heavy I find this as welcomed news. What I don't understand is why people don't think heavy's should get a respec? All the racial variants are not yet implemented and as stated by Dustfiend, why do you care which heavy we become? Also along these lines, is there ever going to be a shield repping tool? As nice as it would be to become a Caldari heavy, one flux nade and I'm sure I would be toast. Also curious to know how long until you throw the slot stats in as well to see if it is even an issue. Cheers.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 59	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:02:00 - [333] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. Please do not get rid of the hacking bonus. That was the single most redeeming feature of the Minmtar Logi. Whats the point in adding range of a rep tool if i have to keep within a few meters of my target (turning corners, tight spaces) anyway? Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4468	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:03:00 - [334] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Saxbrin Shain wrote: Logibro just dropped the Assault stats in IRC: All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level. Caldari Assault: +5% to HP bonus of shield extender modules per level. Gallente Assault: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level. Minmatar Assault: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level. Amarr Assault: +5% to repair rate of armor repair modules per level. Stats you were all slow on pulling from Sisi! I'm disappointed in all of you. They weren't on Sisi and you can see that much from my screenshots O_o; Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1408	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:05:00 - [335] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I do enjoy the fact that CPM didn't find out about all this stuff until it was posted publicly with no chances in prior discussion. CCP Shanghai seems dead set on developing in a black box. CCP can talk about transparency all they want, but until the developers responsible for the moment-to-moment gameplay actually bother having real discussions with the CPM and the community the talk of transparency is nothing but words. I think one thing is clear though from these proposed skill changes etc. If significant changes like this were to occur a full respec for everyone needs to be done without question. I 90% agree but I am a douche about refunding SP. Honestly, I don't see CCP having a choice in the matter. Right now they should start planning on how to implement a global respec (optional or otherwise) and start figuring out how they will message it. You are correct. They are almost forcing themselves to give a refund. There is going to be an uproar on the forums and I may not agree about a respec but they have just about painted themselves in a corner and by not respecing infantry they are going to drive players off. I am all about what is good for the game and community so I do think it will happen and I will just have to STFU and HTFU. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Agrios Endendros Single Serving Friends 81	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:05:00 - [336] - Quote Incin3rate wrote: As a heavy I find this as welcomed news. What I don't understand is why people don't think heavy's should get a respec? All the racial variants are not yet implemented and as stated by Dustfiend, why do you care which heavy we become? Also along these lines, is there ever going to be a shield repping tool? As nice as it would be to become a Caldari heavy, one flux nade and I'm sure I would be toast. Also curious to know how long until you throw the slot stats in as well to see if it is even an issue. Cheers. Even if I didn't have a heavy alt, I would want them to get to respec for the extra variety it will bring to the game. I also want to see this all get field tested effectively and you need bunches of people in those suits to test them. Agrios Endendros Heavy Haruko Endendros AV Logi ~ Canti Endendros Pilot ~ Zero Endendros Support Logi
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 745	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:07:00 - [337] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. Please do not get rid of the hacking bonus. That was the single most redeeming feature of the Minmtar Logi. Whats the point in adding range of a rep tool if i have to keep within a few meters of my target (turning corners, tight spaces) anyway? The hacking bonus belongs on a scout suit. The repper bonus is actually really great. You should be getting a respec so you could always go in a different direction. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
AAA Hellcab Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 75	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:12:00 - [338] - Quote In today's multicultural community, there is no room for racials.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4468	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:15:00 - [339] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'm tired of respecs. The people crying about them are often people who already have 30 mil SP. But God forbid they need another million because they want to change suits. Sorry, but you are wrong. What is on SiSi precludes a significant and wide spread enough change that CCP really has no choice but to offer a respec. Punishing players because CCP hasn't finished huge, basic chucks of the game is nothing but bad customer service. I disagree. A minor 5-10% bonus on this or that per level, is the sort of thing that changes with EVE frequently, and EVE doesn't get a respec every time their ship got re-tiered. If so, we'd have gotten five respecs in the last two years. These sorts of changes will ALWAYS happen in an MMO, because balance and redesign will ALWAYS happen. The Minmatar Logistics suit, and Amarr Heavy suit are both still functional suits, that have been adjusted due to new content. This happens often, and will continue to happen in perpetuity, even after you consider the game "complete". Note the massive ship rebalancing project EVE is undertaking, that offers no respecs. People can continue to use the suits they have skills for, and invest new skill points in new suits if they're so inclined to branch out. Respec is one of the things powering Fit Of The Month behavior, it's time to kill it. Right but the changes that occur in eve usually affect the bonuses they already have. It'd be like going to a ship and completely changing it's intended play-style; like turning an EWAR ship into a Logistics ship (which is technically what they did with the Minmatar Logistics). Whenever you take an item in a game and change it's polarity to a completely different element or playstyle, you're directly infringing on the player's choice of running that suit in the first place. This isn't just a slight number change it's an entirely specialization re-focus. A full respect might not be necessary but an SP refund on select skills would do CCP justice with the community, regardless of FotM arguments. Cris Sugau wrote: OP, you should add the new militia equipment. There was none when I checked. CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. As posted in the OP, all of this is subject to change but thank you for the blue tag ^_^ As previously stated guys, the Assault suit bonuses weren't on Sisi so I can't confirm any of it. They retained their current statistics. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4470	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:21:00 - [340] - Quote Also, guys, I'd like to thank you all for letting me wake up to the most notifications I've ever had in my life. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182

Medical Crash cobra connection Public Disorder. 164	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:21:00 - [341] - Quote My Stealthed out Shotgun Minmatar Logi is ruined! I was already wearing two complex Dampners, now Gallente Proto scans will be unavoidable. I don't want a repair bonus, my HP isn't enough for that! Switch the Minnys Bonus with the Gallente, I want the scanner bonus, screw the Gallente. Respec please, I no longer want my Minny Logi suit, the low HP was a pain to deal with in the first place, but now this is getting ridiculous.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 339	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:23:00 - [342] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Also, guys, I'd like to thank you all for letting me wake up to the most notifications I've ever had in my life. The most I got was 280. All I could think was: ....what did I do??? Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Cris Sugau Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:27:00 - [343] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cris Sugau wrote: OP, you should add the new militia equipment. There was none when I checked. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693391#post1693391 This is what I was referring to. Is it a separate thing from this leak?
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1507	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:29:00 - [344] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I'm tired of respecs. The people crying about them are often people who already have 30 mil SP. But God forbid they need another million because they want to change suits. I always thought it's mainly the guys with 2 million SP who think it takes to long to get more. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 665	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:31:00 - [345] - Quote YES THE MINNIE LOGI GETS THE REP TOOL BONUS NOW I MY TEAM WILL BE INVINCIBLE WHEN I HEAL THEM! to all you saying its a bad bonus your full of it. this is the best bonus they could have given to the minnie logi.
Agrios Endendros Single Serving Friends 81	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:31:00 - [346] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I disagree. A minor 5-10% bonus on this or that per level, is the sort of thing that changes with EVE frequently, and EVE doesn't get a respec every time their ship got re-tiered. If so, we'd have gotten five respecs in the last two years. These sorts of changes will ALWAYS happen in an MMO, because balance and redesign will ALWAYS happen. The Minmatar Logistics suit, and Amarr Heavy suit are both still functional suits, that have been adjusted due to new content. This happens often, and will continue to happen in perpetuity, even after you consider the game "complete". Note the massive ship rebalancing project EVE is undertaking, that offers no respecs. People can continue to use the suits they have skills for, and invest new skill points in new suits if they're so inclined to branch out. Respec is one of the things powering Fit Of The Month behavior, it's time to kill it. Right but the changes that occur in eve usually affect the bonuses they already have. It'd be like going to a ship and completely changing it's intended play-style; like turning an EWAR ship into a Logistics ship (which is technically what they did with the Minmatar Logistics). Whenever you take an item in a game and change it's polarity to a completely different element or playstyle, you're directly infringing on the player's choice of running that suit in the first place. This isn't just a slight number change it's an entirely specialization re-focus. A full respect might not be necessary but an SP refund on select skills would do CCP justice with the community, regardless of FotM arguments. Cris Sugau wrote: OP, you should add the new militia equipment. There was none when I checked. CCP Logibro wrote: I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. As posted in the OP, all of this is subject to change but thank you for the blue tag ^_^ As previously stated guys, the Assault suit bonuses weren't on Sisi so I can't confirm any of it. They retained their current statistics. Take my Min Logi alt as an example: I put everything in to making him the best flanking, hive & uplink dropping, scanning, & undefended objective taking merc that I can. This is who I wanted to play. I have not put a single SP into rep tools and have NO desire to play as a medic. Is the Min Logi still a viable suit? Yes. Are these changes probably good for the game? Yes. If I didn't have alts made to move on to and wasn't given a respec, would stay here and play after CCP just through everything I wanted and worked for, out the window? Agrios Endendros Heavy Haruko Endendros AV Logi ~ Canti Endendros Pilot ~ Zero Endendros Support Logi
Agrios Endendros Single Serving Friends 81	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:34:00 - [347] - Quote Cris Sugau wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cris Sugau wrote: OP, you should add the new militia equipment. There was none when I checked. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693391#post1693391 This is what I was referring to. Is it a separate thing from this leak? That appears to refer to militia suits, not equipment. Agrios Endendros Heavy Haruko Endendros AV Logi ~ Canti Endendros Pilot ~ Zero Endendros Support Logi
Cris Sugau Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:36:00 - [348] - Quote Agrios Endendros wrote: That appears to refer to militia suits, not equipment. Yeah, ****, I forgot semantics. Suits are also equipment, after all.
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:38:00 - [349] - Quote The Logi bonuses should be the bonus of the skills for each corresponding equipment instead.
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 507	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:45:00 - [350] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'm tired of respecs. The people crying about them are often people who already have 30 mil SP. But God forbid they need another million because they want to change suits. Sorry, but you are wrong. What is on SiSi precludes a significant and wide spread enough change that CCP really has no choice but to offer a respec. Punishing players because CCP hasn't finished huge, basic chucks of the game is nothing but bad customer service. I disagree. A minor 5-10% bonus on this or that per level, is the sort of thing that changes with EVE frequently, and EVE doesn't get a respec every time their ship got re-tiered. If so, we'd have gotten five respecs in the last two years. These sorts of changes will ALWAYS happen in an MMO, because balance and redesign will ALWAYS happen. The Minmatar Logistics suit, and Amarr Heavy suit are both still functional suits, that have been adjusted due to new content. This happens often, and will continue to happen in perpetuity, even after you consider the game "complete". Note the massive ship rebalancing project EVE is undertaking, that offers no respecs. People can continue to use the suits they have skills for, and invest new skill points in new suits if they're so inclined to branch out. Respec is one of the things powering Fit Of The Month behavior, it's time to kill it. CCP has stated that there are differences in the target audiences of these two game. Thus, not everyhting in dust has to be the same as it is in EVE onlin. That is established. In the EVE MMO community a respec is unheard of, in the console gaming and shooter world it is enough of a standard that CCP not doing it consistently causes an uprising (terrible joke) in communications for them. In this world (Dust, shooters, etc.) they are expected. In its incomplete form, it is expected.... why the hell am I arguing about this? 26 posts a day on the same subject and you need me to explain this to you? No, If you wanted reasons you would have looked for them. I support a respec. The bonus is part of the reason I took this class and other skills. Now that it is changing I would take another path, a refund is in order. The Logi Code. LogiChannel: RedBleach Republic

RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 507	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:46:00 - [351] - Quote Mordecai Snake wrote: The Logi bonuses should be the bonus for the skills of each corresponding equipment instead. TOO TRUE mate, we logis have been saying it for a while. The Logi Code. LogiChannel: RedBleach Republic
Ninja Troll 11	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:47:00 - [352] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: So there's no more automatic/passive armor repair bonuses for logistic class then? Yeah it looks like it's being replaced by "Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level." I'm currently level 2 Amarr logi and was about to go level 3 this week. Having the repair rate bonus made it useful as an assault hybrid, which seems to be popular. Guess I'll save my SP for now or use it on something else, maybe assault dropship . Probably best to wait for CCP to finalize everything and make an official post. [REQ] Infantry Only Mode or Option- No Vehicles
Kingseeker Kobra Expert Intervention Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:48:00 - [353] - Quote Gallente assault stacking plates and damage mods will be the new FOTM. now they'll get as much HP as the current gal logi FOTM, but with a ROF increase which is basically a sizeable DPS boost. I slay for the Empress.
Teeee Bone C0M8AT V3T3RANS 29	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:52:00 - [354] - Quote I hope logi's still get built in armor repair. Kudos on the equiptment pg/cpu bonus idea. Should put an end to cheap logi's with proto weapons...
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 2504	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:55:00 - [355] - Quote OMG how blatantly OP are going to be heavy suits with the damage resistance!? Buffed HP + Damage resistance + fixed HMG = 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 239	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:56:00 - [356] - Quote Kingseeker Kobra wrote: Gallente assault stacking plates and damage mods will be the new FOTM. now they'll get as much HP as the current gal logi FOTM, but with a ROF increase which is basically a sizeable DPS boost. Cal assault gets enough shields to eat one more bullet..thanks ccp CCP wrote: Did we mention we are increasing Hybrid-Plasma damage against shields? 110% to 120% I use a tablet so beware of typos
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 239	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:58:00 - [357] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: OMG how blatantly OP are going to be heavy suits with the damage resistance!? Buffed HP + Damage resistance + fixed HMG = they can take 55 bullets from a combat rifle, caldari heavy dies at 59 assault rifle bullets I use a tablet so beware of typos
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 979	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:58:00 - [358] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: I support a respec. The bonus is part of the reason I took this class and other skills. Now that it is changing I would take another path, a refund is in order. I took the swarm launcher path because it could kill tanks. Now that is changing, I would like to take another path, but no, a refund isn't in order, because I realize that CCP nerfed my stuff. On the bright side for you though, CCP Shanghai has no backbone, and is worried about losing players so much, that anything cried for enough will be given. So a respec is almost assured. :/ I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 584	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:58:00 - [359] - Quote It's been a while Calogi suit. Seems to be geared toward Mass Driver users with the Nanohive buff in addition to CPU/PG reduction. 5 highs and 4 lows will be needed to tank Rifle hits so you can at least be able to get a few MDs rounds off before dying. I'm going to miss that 4th EQ slot, and it looks like my suits will have to be even more specialized because of it.
Oswald Rehnquist 997	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:00:00 - [360] - Quote I don't understand the tears, 2-2.5 mill and you got a new fully decked proto suit, not the end of the world, also the logi was very predictable, CCP has even stated that they were changing them to equipment bonuses like a month ago, in fact CCP took those bonuses directly from one of the racial threads that was out. Considering that this patch won't be coming out for 30-45 days, that is 1 mill plus right there. Also players who waited before blowing sp should be rewarded for their patience vs the blitz Bettys who wanted a performance boost now without seeing the whole picture. My $.02, and I'm already prepared for the friendly responses Below 28 dB



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