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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:17:00 -
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Wow this thread certainly got moving since yesterday.
I like the general direction those changes are headed - I do think there is room for modifications and improvements to that list though. I hope CCP takes opinions in this thread under consideration.
My only problem is the Gallente logistics getting what I would call a scout bonus. I thought we had all been pushing for the scout role / light suit role to be the scanners / finders / infiltrationists?
I know these changes are not final and I HOPE they will be adjusted before - "if and when" - they get released. I just wonder what is to come for scouts as this gives me a whole ton of reasons to use every other suit before a scout suit. That's great for heavy classes and medium suits - what about poor old scouts? |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:27:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Can someone please explain why CCP wants the weakest of all Logis to be the primary medic? Yes, it has speed which will enable one to reach his or her target faster but speed hardly matters anymore with TTK being so low.
yes and if u look at heavy maps as in maps where hmg is a good thing they are all close ended twisty and turny..so even your repper tool range wont benefit u much yes asa minmatar u can be farther back and still repp but as soon as a heavy goes arounda bend u has to follow or lose your contact,...those tight end spaces spell death for most minmatar types they are easy to spam area denial weapons and tight enough that they cant get away..i do not think minmatar has the hp to run asa main healer i think it is better suited to uplinks itself.
the amar gal and cal all have higher hp than the minnie and thus would be more suited for repper tool use
also if you run a logi heavy death squad with gal and amar logi's armor is our tank so we can chain repp eachother and sure u can chain repp ur minnie with more minnie logi's but u dont have high armor tank so its not as effective as 2gal logi's 2 amar logis and 2 heavies
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Mortedeamor
1198
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:29:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:That gallente logi bonus sucks. Active scanners may be a usefull equipment. But it pales in comparison to the other suits in how frequent their bonuses are utilized.
yes because lemme tell you my fat ass amar logi was meant to be running around like a minmatar spamming gear ..
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
367
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:52:00 -
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Nice to see the mini logi getting a bonus to the one gear that I don't use thanks to being forced to have a scanner. The hacking bonus was useful to me as I chose mini because of the speed and hacking so I could get to objectives faster and hack them before the other team could react.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2437
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:02:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Nice to see the mini logi getting a bonus to the one gear that I don't use thanks to being forced to have a scanner. The hacking bonus was useful to me as I chose mini because of the speed and hacking so I could get to objectives faster and hack them before the other team could react.
That should have been the scouts job from the beginning. I'm hoping that will be the case once all the scouts are released.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:03:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I was just wondering about this and like I thought , the Caldari bonuses SUCK !!!! 
The caldari logi bonus does not suck. They can become domination gods by reviving, triaging and resupplying there team. That point will be held down through everything short of an orbital assuming 2 or 3 competent players are defending it. And the warpoints will be insane. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:12:00 -
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I'm really happy for most bonuses. Except for the bonuses to Gallente Assault and Amarr Assault:
- Amarr Assaults have the lowest base movement speed and use long-range weapons - they need a bonus for maximum buffer tanking.
- Gallente Assaults armor tank and use short-ranged weapons - they need a (big) cpu/pg reduction to kinetic catalysers.
FYI: I use both suits at the ADV level. I have no interest in having one of them be better than the other. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
368
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:22:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Nice to see the mini logi getting a bonus to the one gear that I don't use thanks to being forced to have a scanner. The hacking bonus was useful to me as I chose mini because of the speed and hacking so I could get to objectives faster and hack them before the other team could react. That should have been the scouts job from the beginning. I'm hoping that will be the case once all the scouts are released.
Perhaps at the start of maps, but once fighting for the objectives starts. I have a hard time seeing scouts get to the objectives, what with the low TTK these days. Even my most bricked out fits get shredded like tissue paper.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4504
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:32:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Just curious, why is this just now catching on in the Dust 514 community?
As far as Dust 514 goes, gallente have always had more armor HP (base) and Amarr Logi's currently have their bonuses centralized around armor repairers.
What gives? The future Assault gk.0 could have 939 Armor points 210 + [ ( 135 + 35% ) -+ 4 ] On the contrary the Assault ak.0 would get 726,75 Armor points: 180 + [ ( 135 + 35% ) -+ 3 ] > 200 HP difference
Not what I was talking about, but thanks for the random stats, lol.
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:33:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Sirys Lyons wrote:Quote:Caldari Commando Bonus: +2% damage to hybrid - railgun light weapons per level. The rail rifles have been seeming a bit weak. It's good to know we can stack on another +10% damage. Can't argue about Commando's being useless now, can we O_o
Nope, just lame to give a heavy a light weapon bonus. Giving heavies a light weapon bonus, don't get it.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:44:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Sirys Lyons wrote:Quote:Caldari Commando Bonus: +2% damage to hybrid - railgun light weapons per level. The rail rifles have been seeming a bit weak. It's good to know we can stack on another +10% damage. Can't argue about Commando's being useless now, can we O_o Nope, just lame to give a heavy a light weapon bonus. Giving heavies a light weapon bonus, don't get it.
iv been for commando having less hp and 2 heavy weapon slots from day 1 so yeah i dont really get that fit either
personally asa heavy i just dont find the idea of having 2 light weapons and **** for hp and slots..over my smexy hmg smg combo to be a good one
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
458
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:28:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:A minor 5-10% bonus on this or that per level, is the sort of thing that changes with EVE frequently, and EVE doesn't get a respec every time their ship got re-tiered. If so, we'd have gotten five respecs in the last two years. These sorts of changes will ALWAYS happen in an MMO, because balance and redesign will ALWAYS happen.
Please explain to me when the last time EVE had such a wide spread change (every single ship in the game getting a change at the same time)? The ship changing roles that happened in EVE were done on ships that either A) were already not used. OR B) considered buff/balance. No ship got its role completely changed except one or two (logi frigs/cruisers)
To relate your situation to EVE the change currently happening in Dust would be equivalent to a change to Titans in which they are not longer functional in their current role (say remove jump portals) and a new ship was released that would take 5 months to get the required SP for that does that job instead. You would hear a massive uproar in the EVE community over such a change. And thats with just a single ship. Imagine if that was for every ship people could use. There is a reason CCP is waiting to balance capitals last.
Soraya Xel wrote:I wanted a swarm launcher that could kill tanks, then the changes made it unable to kill tanks anymore. Why wasn't there a full respec for 1.7? I wanted a flaylock pistol which could kill people faster than a mass driver, and then the changes made it unable to kill people faster than a mass driver anymore. Why wasn't there a full respec in 1.3?
A balance pass is not the same a role changes. Swarms can still kill tanks, just not as easily and I know plenty of people who use the Flaylock too with deadly effectiveness. How much SP does it take to get swarm launchers, most people probably spend <1mil SP on them and the side upgrades don't directly effect their play style.
How much does it take to get into a prototype suit. 2.5 million, several months of hitting cap every week without a booster.
Im fine with a dropsuit skill refund at minimum. But some people have spent exactly what they need to be effective. Someone that has 5 million SP (new player) needs the respect WAAAY more than a vet.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
737
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:13:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I'm tired of respecs. The people crying about them are often people who already have 30 mil SP. But God forbid they need another million because they want to change suits. Sorry, but you are wrong. What is on SiSi precludes a significant and wide spread enough change that CCP really has no choice but to offer a respec. Punishing players because CCP hasn't finished huge, basic chucks of the game is nothing but bad customer service. Normally I'm against all forms of respecs (and if you remember, I used to kill a cat for every thread), but these kinds of changes warrant nothing less than an infantry respec (tankers got theirs), or a full global one.
When they significantly change the dropsuit skill tree's at MOST we should just get reimbursed those skill points. So say for example you have invested into Comando suits, you will get no reimbursement because the skill tree was un-affected.
So at most what is getting respeced is the direct suit skills maybe 2m SP at proto. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1453
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:21:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:wow, Caldari Logistics' bonus is really lame. But I'll live. I skilled into Caldari logi for the looks, not the abilities.... but wow, lame.
Maybe that bonus should apply to needles also.
I support SP rollover.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
590
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:27:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:Nice to see the mini logi getting a bonus to the one gear that I don't use thanks to being forced to have a scanner. The hacking bonus was useful to me as I chose mini because of the speed and hacking so I could get to objectives faster and hack them before the other team could react. That should have been the scouts job from the beginning. I'm hoping that will be the case once all the scouts are released.
But a Minnie scout is an assassin.
If you want to give me the hacking bonus in addition to something else, fine but I dont want it substituted in.
Hacking is fine as a skill without the Min Logi bonus. If they lose it, its a shame for the players that picked the suit because of that but it doesnt have to go to another role.
Skill up in Hacking and use codebreakers. |
jackbubu
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:35:00 -
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just gonna leave this here
Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1058
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:37:00 -
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jackbubu wrote:just gonna leave this here Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level.
No. 
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jackbubu
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
36
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:38:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:jackbubu wrote:just gonna leave this here Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. Get out.
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1453
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbjavascript:insertsmiley('  ','/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png')ers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. Please do not get rid of the hacking bonus. That was the single most redeeming feature of the Minmtar Logi. Whats the point in adding range of a rep tool if i have to keep within a few meters of my target (turning corners, tight spaces) anyway? The hacking bonus belongs on a scout suit. The repper bonus is actually really great. You should be getting a respec so you could always go in a different direction. I didnt merely spec into Minni Logi just for the hacking bonus, but it made it the best all around suit, and more usef in PC. I cant begin to tell you how many matches speed hacking turned the tide. Scouts get their cloak anyway, why should they get my hacking bonus as well? The rep tool bonus is crap because even proto'd out it would only rep enough extra hp for half a round from a rail rifle. That amount is meaningless with the astronmical damage done to each other in PC. I've been playing since open beta, and seen tons of QQ about all of the different rcial bonuses except for the Minmatar. Now CCP (or the CPM) wats to fix something that aint broken. Leave my bonus alone.
Would like to see is Scouts get a Stealth hacking bonus, with Logis(or sidegrade Logis) having the Speed hacking bonus.
I support SP rollover.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1059
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 -
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@Jackbubu
Terrible bonuses are terrible.
The cloak is far to situational for it to be the centerpiece of any specialization.
Not to mention we lose our scan stealth, I.E. One of the few good things about the scout.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
590
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:40:00 -
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jackbubu wrote:just gonna leave this here Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level.
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jackbubu
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
36
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:44:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:jackbubu wrote:just gonna leave this here Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. Child Please
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1453
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:44:00 -
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Ralden Caster wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Saxbrin Shain wrote:Logibro just dropped the Assault stats in IRC:
All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level.
Caldari Assault: +5% to HP bonus of shield extender modules per level.
Gallente Assault: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level.
Minmatar Assault: +5% to damage bonus of damage modifier modules per level.
Amarr Assault: +5% to repair rate of armor repair modules per level. Stats you were all slow on pulling from Sisi! I'm disappointed in all of you. The Minmatar Assault with a militia damage mod would be nearly as good as one with a complex damage mod then.
The way i'm reading it it's a bonus to the bonus so a maxxed Minny Assault running one militia damage mod would ge a 3%x1.25=3.75% total damage boost.
A complex damage mod would give a Minny Assault a total of +12.5% to damage, compared to the 10% everybody else gets.
I support SP rollover.
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Sgt Buttscratch
1282
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:48:00 -
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So from what I think I just read/saw:
Scouts and Assault..... **** off. Love my shield bone ass gal assault, scout will love more potent scanners.
Active scanner bonus'............unless the scanners are gunna be nerfed this is a joke. Un-needed.
Commandos... will never be worth **** while Sentinels can run light weapons better. And dont gimme the 2 light weapon BS, can only use 1 at a time, TTK means you only need one.
Logis....... I do not believe CCP have ever seen a logi, therefore they will blindly throw bonuses around, with no care of consequences.
Glad to see the other sentinels, but feel their release should be released with at least 2 Heavy weapons,(The missing racial weapon, Amarr and Gal)
All in all; This whole thing sketches me out due the fact after the MLT nitrous incident, we gained 100% proof that CCP do not, double, triple and quadruple check code/numbers prior to a release, nor do they test new content.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
591
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:50:00 -
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jackbubu wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:jackbubu wrote:just gonna leave this here Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. Child Please http://i.imgur.com/BFTlfqn.jpgsay what again?
I didnt know this was what was proposed. I thought it was your proposal.
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
222
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:50:00 -
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I said it in the the other thread, Caldari assault got super nerfed.
The not Logic Bomb!
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1059
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:51:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:I didnt know this was what was proposed. I thought it was your proposal. so just transfer the Child Please to CCP
Same.
Transfer my "Get out" to CCP as well.
Can anyone verify the new scout bonuses on the test server? I want to be absolutely sure before I start flipping tables.
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:52:00 -
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jackbubu wrote:just gonna leave this here Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level.
Where did you find this?
EDIT: Nevermind, thanks!
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
948
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:22:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:I said it in the the other thread, Caldari assault got super nerfed.
They still didn't they've always had that bonus (Since 1.3). Or do you mean the passive bonus? I like the new one. It doesn't make the G-Assault useless.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
242
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:27:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:jackbubu wrote:just gonna leave this here Quote:Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level.
Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.
Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. Where did you find this? EDIT: Nevermind, thanks!
What does the caldari bonus mean?
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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