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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:37:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Dos the Crystal Ball say a thing about the plot suit yet?
Who needs a pilot suit when assaults and heavies will command them and pop out with their buffed skills to take down any stragglers left.
In your blind spot
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
676
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:18:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits.
not really. Because 1. there's still 1 logi that has the repair 2. logis didnt get a slot count reduction. Slot count is the major reason for slayer logis
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Jooki Chewaka
Stalking Wolfpack
75
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:19:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits. Then ill be able to repair myself with the repair tool, will i?
See you from orbit
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
261
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:21:00 -
[544] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits. not really. Because 1. there's still 1 logi that has the repair 2. logis didnt get a slot count reduction. Slot count is the major reason for slayer logis
Exepting Amarr logi.
Which has less PG/CPU than others logi. Less Slots. Less equipements. No more useful bonus. Less speed Less stmaina Less shield stats.
All of that for 30 more base ehp while he's suppsoed to be the tank. And a secondary...which takes more PG/CPU..... And no more hp regen.
Well it sucks to be amarr these times..... And all the sentinel will have Laser/blaster resistance while projectile weapons are already twice more powerful.... |
Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
225
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:27:00 -
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Jooki Chewaka wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits. Then ill be able to repair myself with the repair tool, will i?
Less, not eliminated.
The not Logic Bomb!
-->We need better comms!<--
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J'Hiera
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:27:00 -
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Not sure if I like the Gallente Scout bonus. It just seems... ineffective. Feels more like something that should be built into that suit in the first place. |
Lex DOCIEL
What The French
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:58:00 -
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A good scout needs no cloaking device to be invisible. He has to play smart, make good use of his radar and bypass ennemy scanners.
Devices that blurs scanners and radars in a small area would have been 1000 times more helpful, offering a lot more of battlefield options, without completely breaking down any actual gameplay.
In fact, even a simple device allowing to completely disappear from radar and HUBs without being invisible would have done way better, with no fear of OP-ness or exploit of any kind.
CCP, please, leave cloaking BS to other broken FPS and rather bring radar-scan disappearance to life.
It will help everyone.
Really. |
Jooki Chewaka
Stalking Wolfpack
75
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:02:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits. Then ill be able to repair myself with the repair tool, will i? Less, not eliminated. Sorry buddy but i dont understand, less? you mean that it will repair less when selfreppin? and by not eliminated what do you mean exactly?
and, where are you getting this from?
See you from orbit
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
226
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:06:00 -
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Jooki Chewaka wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits. Then ill be able to repair myself with the repair tool, will i? Less, not eliminated. Sorry buddy but i dont understand, less? you mean that it will repair less when selfreppin? and by not eliminated what do you mean exactly?
I mean that assault logis won't be eliminated, but there will be less of them.
The not Logic Bomb!
-->We need better comms!<--
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Jooki Chewaka
Stalking Wolfpack
75
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:14:00 -
[550] - Quote
Marlin Kirby wrote:I mean that assault logis won't be eliminated, but there will be less of them. :S you quoted the wrong guy then
See you from orbit
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
225
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:18:00 -
[551] - Quote
Jooki Chewaka wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:I mean that assault logis won't be eliminated, but there will be less of them. :S you quoted the wrong guy then
Bah! Too many people quoted me.
The not Logic Bomb!
-->We need better comms!<--
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising
62
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:25:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find these on Sisi. Just remember to have patience, and keep your magic crystal ball close by at all times. These numbjavascript:insertsmiley(' ','/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png')ers are not necessarily final. On another note, the Gallente Heavy is looking pretty. Please do not get rid of the hacking bonus. That was the single most redeeming feature of the Minmtar Logi. Whats the point in adding range of a rep tool if i have to keep within a few meters of my target (turning corners, tight spaces) anyway? The hacking bonus belongs on a scout suit. The repper bonus is actually really great. You should be getting a respec so you could always go in a different direction. I didnt merely spec into Minni Logi just for the hacking bonus, but it made it the best all around suit, and more usef in PC. I cant begin to tell you how many matches speed hacking turned the tide. Scouts get their cloak anyway, why should they get my hacking bonus as well? The rep tool bonus is crap because even proto'd out it would only rep enough extra hp for half a round from a rail rifle. That amount is meaningless with the astronmical damage done to each other in PC. I've been playing since open beta, and seen tons of QQ about all of the different rcial bonuses except for the Minmatar. Now CCP (or the CPM) wats to fix something that aint broken. Leave my bonus alone. I'm pretty sure the cloaks won't be restricted to scouts only (although they will have a much easier time fitting them). Scouts are designed to quickly sneak behind enemy lines and make trouble, the hacking bonus is a natural fit for them (well one of them). As for the repping bonus, the biggest benefit is the increased range, which should allow the Min logi the ability to more easily stay behind cover while repping. That role nicely complements the Minmatar's speed.
You can't rep from behind cover, because if you lose line of sight of your target (dancing from enemy bullets) the reps break off. Other wise your usually tethered to a suit slower than yours, making minmatar speed redundant. Thats why i could sprint off and speed hack and return to the action quickly. Other wie i'm better off with a brick tanked gallente/ammar suit.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Nihilus Warwick
Pradox One Proficiency V.
78
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:37:00 -
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Dude. Yes. I am so pumped for all of this. More variations. More suits. More bonuses. More fun. I am so freaking hard right now. |
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:46:00 -
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Brynjar Reko wrote: Minmatar scouts could be useful if nova knives and melee have a smaller diminishing effect on cloak, could feasibly remain cloaked while attacking in close range for extended periods, albeit with limited effectiveness given the use of nova knives.
Gallente scouts are suited to shotgun or their racial AR combat with their massive passive scans while evading the scans that will likely be the bane of every other scout, but will have to rely on actual evasion more than their cloaks given these weapons are likely candidates for high cloak drain.
Mmm... nova knives are a melee weapon, so, reading between the lines, it shouldn't cause the shield to disappear before it expires. Sure thing, you'll have to sneak behind an enemy before knifing him COD style
If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
263
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:59:00 -
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Why CCP HATES Amarians ?
I mean look at our suits ! Look at our items. Look at our new skills.
Suits : Advantage : Something like 20-30 more base HP. Secondary as Logi. Now the drawbacks : Slower. Less PG Less CPU Less potential HP because lacks of slots => We are suppsoed to be SUPERBRICK like in Eve we are suppsoed to be the best tankers but at the end everybody can have more life than us once they stack armor/shield......... Less slots.
I mean dude seriously someone already found that killing an Amarr suit is hard (Heavy don't count) ?
Now our items : WHY THEY COST TWICE MORE PG ??? And the same or even more CPU than ALL OTHER weapons ? Come on a light weapon take the same or even more PG/CPU than Heavy weapons....... Everybody wants Heavy Amarr weapons but they will take 30PG at Std level --' Why they are the only weapons that have penality/Overheat or even the possibility to make you DEAD ? (Laser overheat is more than 150hp....) Or prevent you to run or make anything during SIX SECOND. They cost twice more pG they cost more ISK. And they have the biggest drawbacks of the game ???
And finally our Bonuses come ON.
Amarr Assault Skill: Assault Suit Bonus: 2% to light weapon RoF per level. Useless for scrambler and makes you overheat even faster with Laser rifles which is almost useless in the hand of assaults. Amarr Assault Bonus: 5% to repair rate of armor repair modules per level. Best Joke EVER we have less slots and they want us to worth 90/140 hp while we are supposed to tank and we are already underdogs.
Amarr Commando Skill: Okay nice. I admit it. Commando Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to reload speed of light weapons per level. Amarr Commando Bonus: +2% damage to laser light weapons per level
Amarr Logistics Skill: And where is the idea of the combt engineer ? Amarr Logistics was ALREADY the worse. Less Hp less everything JUST to have a secondary weapons that takes more pg/cpu while you have less.... Read your own description CCP Amarr Logi is supposed to be the frontline support not the "i set the spawn and go hide i follow you like a dog use a uplink and then follow you again and again" Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level. Amarr Logistics Bonus: 10% reduction to drop uplink spawn time and +2 to max. spawn count per level.
Amarr Sentinel Skill: Nice finally. Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level Amarr Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to projectile weapons, 2% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons.
Amarr Scout Skill: Need to watch it but...give bonus on something that is not even out.... Scout Suit Bonus: 10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level. Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level.[/quote] |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4555
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:08:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Why CCP HATES Amarians ? Amarr Assault Skill: Assault Suit Bonus: 2% to light weapon RoF per level. Useless for scrambler and makes you overheat even faster with Laser rifles which is almost useless in the hand of assaults. Amarr Assault Bonus: 5% to repair rate of armor repair modules per level. Best Joke EVER we have less slots and they want us to worth 90/140 hp while we are supposed to tank and we are already underdogs. Amarr Commando Skill: Okay nice. I admit it. Commando Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to reload speed of light weapons per level. Amarr Commando Bonus: +2% damage to laser light weapons per level Amarr Logistics Skill: And where is the idea of the combt engineer ? Amarr Logistics was ALREADY the worse. Less Hp less everything JUST to have a secondary weapons that takes more pg/cpu while you have less.... Read your own description CCP Amarr Logi is supposed to be the frontline support not the "i set the spawn and go hide i follow you like a dog use a uplink and then follow you again and again" Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level. Amarr Logistics Bonus: 10% reduction to drop uplink spawn time and +2 to max. spawn count per level. Amarr Sentinel Skill: Nice finally. Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to blast damage per level Amarr Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to projectile weapons, 2% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons. Amarr Scout Skill: Need to watch it but...give bonus on something that is not even out.... Scout Suit Bonus: 10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level. Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level. [/quote]
Amarr Assaults aren't the underdogs, I feel. Minmatar Assaults maybe but an Amarr Assault is a very offensive based contender who can decimate in a hurry while time-to-kill is so low and scramblers are so high damage. I'd recommend considering the higher rate of fire again as the only weapon it really affects is the Scrambler Rifle itself, which already has a pretty ridiculous rate of fire (20-25 rounds before overheating with the fire rate of pre-nerf Tac ARs). Laser Rifle and Assault Scrambler can only benefit from it.
I think there's a big misconception about the Amarr Logi changes that people are so focused on their new bonus(es) that they're forgetting that, in the end, it can still fit other equipment. It's not restricted to -just- drop uplinks, it just gets a bonus to them. Even still, if you're placing drop uplinks and thne just running to hide you should probably use a Scout. Amarr Logi, having a sidearm and generally more HP, was designed to complement frontline warfare and be a hardy defensive alternative. Put the drop uplink down and then defend it. Otherwise I would recommend using a Scout.
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Joeboa
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
35
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:10:00 -
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Jooki Chewaka wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits. Then ill be able to repair myself with the repair tool, will i?
They have more slots, but it doesn't make them better. The base stats of the assault compensate for the missing slots, similar to why the assault doesn't make a good heavy just because it has more slots than a heavy. If you use those logi slots to make the logi faster then the assault will have more HP by far. If you fit a logi to have more HP then the assault will be a hell of a lot faster, and so on. The assault is overall better and has a sidearm.
I think the 5hp/sec was the main reason. Although it really started with the Cal logi back in the days when shields were overpowered. |
noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
379
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:12:00 -
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So scouts should place uplink and hide?-_-;
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
Renegade minja fighting for the empress
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
300
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:13:00 -
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Joeboa wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Jooki Chewaka wrote:logistics wont repair themselves anymore? Nope, which means less logi assault suits. Then ill be able to repair myself with the repair tool, will i? They have more slots, but it doesn't make them better. The base stats of the assault compensate for the missing slots, similar to why the assault doesn't make a good heavy just because it has more slots than a heavy. If you use those logi slots to make the logi faster then the assault will have more HP by far. If you fit a logi to have more HP then the assault will be a hell of a lot faster, and so on. The assault is overall better and has a sidearm. I think the 5hp/sec was the main reason. Although it really started with the Cal logi back in the days when shields were overpowered. Having slightly more hp is rendered useless if the other thing has more slots to get higher hp
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
1111
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:14:00 -
[560] - Quote
noob cavman wrote:So scouts should place uplink and hide?-_-;
Nope. Scouts are supposed to go cloak in the corner and pray there is not an omniscient gal logi in the area.
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
65
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:16:00 -
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My question is: if I use another equipment while cloaked, does the "invisibility" go away?
If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
379
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:17:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:noob cavman wrote:So scouts should place uplink and hide?-_-; Nope. Scouts are supposed to go cloak in the corner and pray there is not an omniscient gal logi in the area. Thouse god damn 4 eyed cheating bastards
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
British ninja cowboy
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4556
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:30:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Krom Ganesh wrote:noob cavman wrote:So scouts should place uplink and hide?-_-; Nope. Scouts are supposed to go cloak in the corner and pray there is not an omniscient gal logi in the area. Thouse god damn 4 eyed cheating bastards
lul learn 2 profile damp
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
379
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Posted - 2014.01.09 23:35:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:noob cavman wrote:Krom Ganesh wrote:noob cavman wrote:So scouts should place uplink and hide?-_-; Nope. Scouts are supposed to go cloak in the corner and pray there is not an omniscient gal logi in the area. Thouse god damn 4 eyed cheating bastards lul learn 2 profile damp Lul never would have guessed damping would dampen thank you cousin of the 4 eyed cheating bastard
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
British ninja cowboy
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
259
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Posted - 2014.01.10 02:34:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:My question is: if I use another equipment while cloaked, does the "invisibility" go away?
I hate your RE using logi already. It better!
Please fix the mic bubble bug...
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
14
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Posted - 2014.01.10 02:41:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134598&find=unread
I made this thread to describe some better alternatives to the current scout bonuses, in order to make them on par with medium and heavy frames in battle
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
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Cpt Merdock
The Exemplars Top Men.
169
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Posted - 2014.01.10 02:51:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:Racial Logi bonuses: FAIL HARDER, CCP, PLEASE.
Thanks for removing the thing that made me spec into the Minlogi in the first place, sweet, well played. And yes, you said the bonuses were temporary, but could you have chosen anything LESS suited for the Minmatar logi? I mean, seriously?
I find the bonuses to be ok, Min Logi's typically use Rep tools, and now we have the equipment CPU/PG reductions so we can add a little extra HP to our suits. I will miss my Hacking skills, and everyone will miss the 5 rep a second (In my opinion thats what made the logi make the assault suit obsolete). But no one else will have those things so people with Hacking systems level 5 will still be the fastest hackers. Maybe it wont be so bad, plus there is a rumor, much like these suit bonuses are a rumor, that we will get dropsuit respecs. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
253
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Posted - 2014.01.10 02:54:00 -
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Cpt Merdock wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:Racial Logi bonuses: FAIL HARDER, CCP, PLEASE.
Thanks for removing the thing that made me spec into the Minlogi in the first place, sweet, well played. And yes, you said the bonuses were temporary, but could you have chosen anything LESS suited for the Minmatar logi? I mean, seriously? I find the bonuses to be ok, Min Logi's typically use Rep tools, and now we have the equipment CPU/PG reductions so we can add a little extra HP to our suits. I will miss my Hacking skills, and everyone will miss the 5 rep a second (In my opinion thats what made the logi make the assault suit obsolete). But no one else will have those things so people with Hacking systems level 5 will still be the fastest hackers. Maybe it wont be so bad, plus there is a rumor, much like these suit bonuses are a rumor, that we will get dropsuit respecs.
I agree while i will miss the hacking bonus I will enjoy the rep bonus far more |
Agrios Endendros
Single Serving Friends
93
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Posted - 2014.01.10 03:59:00 -
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Cpt Merdock wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:Racial Logi bonuses: FAIL HARDER, CCP, PLEASE.
Thanks for removing the thing that made me spec into the Minlogi in the first place, sweet, well played. And yes, you said the bonuses were temporary, but could you have chosen anything LESS suited for the Minmatar logi? I mean, seriously? I find the bonuses to be ok, Min Logi's typically use Rep tools, and now we have the equipment CPU/PG reductions so we can add a little extra HP to our suits. I will miss my Hacking skills, and everyone will miss the 5 rep a second (In my opinion thats what made the logi make the assault suit obsolete). But no one else will have those things so people with Hacking systems level 5 will still be the fastest hackers. Maybe it wont be so bad, plus there is a rumor, much like these suit bonuses are a rumor, that we will get dropsuit respecs.
As far as balance and fairness are concerned with new suits, I don't have much issue. If no respecs are handed out though, that will be the end of my Min Logi. His isk will be sent to my alts and he will be left to gather dust (rimshot). I picked Min Logi for a specific role. I was willing to accept his squishiness in exchange for the fact he could hack far faster than anyone else, a very valuable tool in this game. The best hacker in the game by far, not equally as good as any assault or Gal Logi with hack at 5, which will stomp the equivalent Min logi into the ground. I have no desire to be a medic, and I can't see ANY remote reason why someone would pick a Min Logi to be anything but that, with the new stats.
Agrios Endendros Heavy
Haruko Endendros AV Logi ~ Canti Endendros Pilot ~ Zero Endendros Support Logi
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
265
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Posted - 2014.01.10 08:11:00 -
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Amarr Assaults aren't the underdogs, I feel. Minmatar Assaults maybe but an Amarr Assault is a very offensive based contender who can decimate in a hurry while time-to-kill is so low and scramblers are so high damage. I'd recommend considering the higher rate of fire again as the only weapon it really affects is the Scrambler Rifle itself, which already has a pretty ridiculous rate of fire (20-25 rounds before overheating with the fire rate of pre-nerf Tac ARs). Laser Rifle and Assault Scrambler can only benefit from it.
But now they can't shoot these 25 shots they lose their bonus ! So 15 shots and it's OVER. The RoF on the SCR is not affected. I've tested (exept assault variant.) RoF will just make it overheat WAY faster. You said that because you're minmatarr right ? These high damage have plenty of drawbacks i mean exept forge-gun NO WEAPON takes 11 PG at Std level.... I mean playing with a SCR means sacrifice lot of Hp somewhere else. SCR : 11 PG CR : 3 PG The CR is way more powerful. And since armor/shield vlaues it's even worse.
I think there's a big misconception about the Amarr Logi changes that people are so focused on their new bonus(es) that they're forgetting that, in the end, it can still fit other equipment. It's not restricted to -just- drop uplinks, it just gets a bonus to them. Even still, if you're placing drop uplinks and thne just running to hide you should probably use a Scout. Amarr Logi, having a sidearm and generally more HP, was designed to complement frontline warfare and be a hardy defensive alternative. Put the drop uplink down and then defend it. Otherwise I would recommend using a Scout.
WRONG. He have less life than all the others. 2 Less lsots. Less equipements.
Anything a Amarr Logi do an another Logi do it BETTER. A sidearm is not helping you if a primary don't work (or take 11PG like the SCR...) |
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