Nice. So now advanced and proto tanks can stomp harder. Brilliant move.

Just when you think CCP are getting things right.

At least assault is getting more weapons to kill us heavies with.

Lets see if they ruin the forge gun like they ruined the HMG.

Nice. So now advanced and proto tanks can stomp harder. Brilliant move.

Just when you think CCP are getting things right.

At least assault is getting more weapons to kill us heavies with.

Lets see if they ruin the forge gun like they ruined the HMG.

Feedback: the font on those charts... The 6s look like 8s.
Also, Combat Rifles look like they don't use much resources, even at prototype.

Oh I dunno, the 15 other infantry slaying players on your team seem a good countermeasure to me. Especially seeing as the swarm player is basically defenseless against infantry slayers and can also be insta killed by any vehicle if in range. And lest not forget about all those hills and buildings tankers like to hide behind, nullifying any and all swarms.

Now if every player could dual wield a swarm and their favorite light or heavy weapon, then yeah you might have an argument. But no, that's not the case, you just want tank ez mode and portray yourself as a victim so you get buffed and AV gets nerfed .


Nerfing AV at all in anticipation of the tank changes is the worst possible idea. You guys get invincible mode back, and AV gets nerfed? Even though we currently need proto AV to adequately scare off, and sometimes blow up, well fit STD tanks? lol.

I understand that. The SMG also fire bullets, but uses PG. Minmatar weapons use very little to no PG, but have a higher than average CPU usage. For targeting computers and such. The Combat rifle seems to use very little of either, for a comparable performance.

Stop listening to QQers and make your game CCP.

GL

dat swarm nerf.


so it will take almost half a minute of continous fire with swarms at max range of 175m against tanks with the announced changes to kill them solo and that is if he does not move into cover...
and dropships are unkillable with that low lock range...


really bad change, considering that swarm can only attack vehicles.

Yes, so it's likely to be accurate at range. So it's accurate, has a longer range than other rifles, and has more damage than other rifles. Do you see the problem?

Ah yes. This post will do fine.

I love how everyone disregarded the charge up time for the new rail rifle...

In a surprise turn around a corner in close quarters combat, that .2 seconds will be very interesting since user of other rifles will get instant fire ability. These rails on the other hand won't do well if the user gets into a situation where he can be ambushed...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870299#post870299
CCP Remnant said this about AR variants, and other rifles getting their own other variants (beides just assault variants).

Can anyone in CCP CONFIRM or DENY this is still planned? Will the AR be the only one who gets all the variants?

this is ******** because it creates artificial numbers advantage. 2 guys with AV to kill one tank => one guy less to fight compared to the other team. why not just then bring only tanks into the game, you wont kill the tanks in time because you have limited amount of suits in a match. if you want to change ar514 into tanks514, then go ahead. as long as it takes only 1 guy to run a tank, then it should also take 1 guy to counter it (note I said not to destroy it). half a minute of shooting is not a counter, it is waste of time, after ~20s I simply move away into cover and come back few seconds later. this is not rocket science, all it takes to understand this is common sense.

also isk balance work differently than you think, beside that you get plenty of advantages in a tank for the isk you pay, namely immunity to majority of weapons, ability to destory installations, range, mobility, etc... so all your points are null and void.

and you specifically ignored the dropship and lav argument. how are you going to counter them? dropships are already unkillable to swarms with AB, now they dont need it cause the simply move out of range with regular movement speed.

I'll reserve judgment till I get to play with at least the militia variants but I'm a bit worried about the AV nerfs. Obviously we haven't got the final vehicle stats but if it ends that it need more than two infantry AV users working together to take down a tank, then we have a return of of the invincible tanks of the closed beta and the game is screwed.

Only assault variants. Have you read my post? I SPECIFICALLY said "besides just assault variants".

The base rail rifle is a "breach", slow firing automatic.
Also gets a assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing tactical, and burst.

The base combat rifle is a "burst", fires in 3 round bursts.
Also gets a assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing tactical, and breach.

The base scrambler rifle is a "tactical", fires single fire long range.
Also gets a assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing burst, and breach.

The base assault rifle is a "assault", fires in fast automatic fire.
Also gets a breach variant.
Also gets a burst variant.
Also gets a tactical variant.
So assault rifle is missing NOTHING, and gets EVERYTHING.

that tunnelvision and lack of basic comprehension of a human you just repeated why it is wrong and still dont get it...

well... at 175 meters you should be able to see the guy shooting swarms at you now.

and you only continue to make yourself look stupid.

for half the isk you would only get half the tank. as already mentioned, you pay for mobility, high hp, range, immunity ot majority of weapons, etc... you dont get it and as result all your said is still null and void remember that tiny amount of credibility you had? well it went down the toilet several posts ago.

and you only continue to make yourself look stupid.

for half the isk you would only get half the tank. as already mentioned, you pay for mobility, high hp, range, immunity ot majority of weapons, etc... you dont get it and as result all your said is still null and void remember that tiny amount of credibility you had? well it went down the toilet several posts ago.

I would not say that spreading around nonsense is disagreeing. nonsense is simply nonsense I and am glad that you are not responsible for the game.

and I bet you will be one of the first people crying about tanks

I would not say that spreading around nonsense is disagreeing. nonsense is simply nonsense I and am glad that you are not responsible for the game.

and I bet you will be one of the first people crying about tanks

So tanker role=massacring everything in sight. AV role=temporary inconvenience to the metal killing machine. Yep, that sounds balanced

current proto swarms take down current ARMOR tanks in ~12-15s

with announced nerfed proto swarms it will take ~23s to 30s of shooting to take down announced ARMOR tank

and this is assuming an unrealistic combat scenario, in reality it takes longer.

current proto swarms take down current ARMOR tanks in ~12-15s

with announced nerfed proto swarms it will take ~23s to 30s of shooting to take down announced ARMOR tank

and this is assuming an unrealistic combat scenario, in reality it takes longer.

wow you are a hero because you can take down low sp tank driven by noobs with no support with proto weapons fast... congratulations for another pointless post.

wow you are a hero because you can take down low sp tank driven by bad driver with no support with proto weapons fast... congratulations for another pointless post.

you win the price for the most pointless posts done in a day.

no sane tank driver rushes his tank into a position where he can get mauled by several people with AV nades + AV weaponry.

and this is your problem, all your posts indicate that you are one of those scrubs that do not know how to drive a tank and then whine that they get killed by several people at once.


you just dont know how to use a tank and all your posts are filled with misinformation. there is nothing to debate.

no sane tank driver rushes his tank into a position where he can get mauled by several people with AV nades + AV weaponry. this is basic tank driving knowledge.

and this is your problem, all your posts indicate that you are one of those scrubs that do not know how to drive a tank and then whine that they get killed by several people at once.


you just dont know how to use a tank and all your posts are filled with misinformation. there is nothing to debate when your you put your head into your arse and suffer from tunnelvision

looks like I was right, you are a CoD kid basing his opinions around kills, so your arguments are truly null and void. now the picture is complete.

and your assumption is wrong, I have more dust experience than you, I am here since the beginning of closed beta with several characters able to use proto gear. I am just not a no life CoD kid like you

and btw, I can assure you, the same same situation will happen that we had in close beta. I can safely assume FG will get a nerf too and sooner or later people will start to cry about tanks infesting FW and the amount of effort to take one down. there will again be alot of rage and again tanks will get nerfed and we return to status quo. I am calling it now.

you did that by yourself, mister CoD kid.

all your posts just indicate that you are butthurt cause you cant solo squads with your tanks.

and the fact that you base your opinion around kills made it apparent that I was right and that you fall under the category of a CoD kid that wants to run around killing everyone alone. this is not going to happen, welcome to new eden.

in short, what you do is not disagreeing but simply talking nonsense, we already covered that several posts ago. why do you repeat the same nonsense again? atleast be creative and post new one

all your posts just indicate that you are butthurt cause you cant solo squads with your tanks.

people even showed you how the changes will effect the gameplay doing calculations and your still in denial and the fact that you base your opinion around kills made it apparent that I was right and that you fall under the category of a CoD kid that wants to run around killing everyone alone. this is not going to happen, welcome to new eden.

in short, what you do is not disagreeing but simply talking about stuff that does not belong to dust, we already covered that several posts ago. why do you repeat the same nonsense again? atleast be creative and post new one

as everyone can see you still dont get it and you now just posted something against yourself without knowing it. that is what happens when you suffer from tunnelvision syndrome.

ok, because I am nice I will repeat it for you: announced changes show that it will take 23-30 seconds (depending on amount of damage mods) in an unrealistic combat scenario. that means in a real combat scenario it will most likely take half a minute or more of shooting to take down a tank with stacked dmg mods.

as everyone can see you still dont get it and you now just posted something against yourself without knowing it. that is what happens when you suffer from tunnelvision syndrome.

ok, because I am nice I will repeat it for you: it will take ~23-30 seconds with a solo nerfed swarms to take out an armor tank with the announced changes (time depending on amount of damage mods) in an unrealistic combat scenario. that means in a real combat scenario it will most likely take half a minute or more of shooting to take down a tank with stacked dmg mods.

you dont see it or you do not want to see it?

the numbers are posted on page 7. look it up and deal with it.

How old are you? Because that is some seriously juvenile idiocy right there lol.

wow your denial is just too obvious.

it was stated 3 times just on the last page where you find it.
for the 4th time, the numbers and explanation is presented on page 7.

basically you are saying it takes longer than the math shows in which case you made yourself look stupid again because you just busted yourself.

basically you are saying it takes longer than the math shows in which case you made yourself look stupid again because you just busted yourself.

Hi guys,

ItGÇÖs time for some stats! Before you dive in to them let me remind you these are still a work in progress

First off there has been a fair bit of speculation surrounding the upcoming Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle. Speculate no more, for here are their current stats:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg[/img]

As a part of their introduction to the game we also plan to rejig the rifle range profiles in line with the weapon type. Rail Rifles are hybrid GÇô railgun tech and are therefore the longest range weapons in the game, followed by laser weapons, projectile weapons and then hybrid GÇô blaster weapons. In the chart below you can see how they stack up Vs one another:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65234/1/rifleranges17.jpg[/img]

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing:

- Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 )
- Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220)
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m

WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback!

CCP Wolfman