Tell ur team that the vast majority of us DO want BPOs to be sellable once the p2p market is implemented, because we bought multiple merc packs & wanted to sell our extras eventually.
& thx for Dev clarification speedily.

BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories.

Then i can't wait for the EVE/Dust514 market merge and to see how much those BPO's will go for or if we as duster can actually sell BPC's to EVE players.

Either way, excited!

Hey all,

We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.

We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories.

Hey all,

We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.

We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories.

I agree.

Many players who purchased vast quantities of these BPOs back during the final moments of closed beta (at cheap AUR prices) bought them under the assumption that they will later be able to sell them again to other players for ISK in the secondary market.

Glad I stocked up on bpos just wish there was a bpi for the scr the hmg and the md

Could you explain how they aren't working as intended?

This...I have the same question and would like to know how it is that you are going to make them worthless considering I bought them on there value and function.

Many players who purchased vast quantities of these BPOs back during the final moments of closed beta (at cheap AUR prices) bought them under the assumption that they will later be able to sell them again to other players for ISK in the secondary market.

If BPOs are currently not functioning as intended, what is the intended function of BPOs.

I also saw a post in which a CCP representative stated they were considering not allowing the trade/sale of BPOs on the player controlled market.

Not allowing the trade of BPOs is a very bad Idea.

There should never be Items purchased by some, but not available to all. This rallies against the Free to Play model. It sends a very bad message to new players, and disproportionately rewards veteran players with the unrestricted ability to earn ISK which they mostly do not need anyway.

Most veteran players are in PC, where they make millions of ISK per match. Those corporations which own districts also make millions perhaps billions of ISK by the sale of clones. Then they are able to turn around and play Pub matches using full BPO fittings and risk absolutely no loss.

The players that could benefit the most from BPOs - the new players - will then only further fatten the wallets of the veteran players, while at the same time depleting their own because they would always be forced to risk something to play.

In a game where risk vs reward is supposed to be the driving factor, not allowing the trade of BPOs after removing the ability to otherwise obtain them completely destroys this philosophy.

Not function as intended?
So cutting down on potential AUR purchases you mean

Well, even at that time this was called speculation and as every speculation it can go sideways sometimes ;) (IMNSHO the whole BPO price change was a disaster and shouldn't have happened in the first place)

The F2p kids will be screaming once changes to FW with a zero ISK payout and the LP boosters hit the market.You will now have to buy LP boosters AND SP boosters.

BPOs were not broken..

Removing them will have fallout, with vets demanding cash refunds.

I agree.

Many players who purchased vast quantities of these BPOs back during the final moments of closed beta (at cheap AUR prices) bought them under the assumption that they will later be able to sell them again to other players for ISK in the secondary market.

If BPOs are currently not functioning as intended, what is the intended function of BPOs.

I also saw a post in which a CCP representative stated they were considering not allowing the trade/sale of BPOs on the player controlled market.

Not allowing the trade of BPOs is a very bad Idea.

There should never be Items purchased by some, but not available to all. This rallies against the Free to Play model. It sends a very bad message to new players, and disproportionately rewards veteran players with the unrestricted ability to earn ISK which they mostly do not need anyway.

Most veteran players are in PC, where they make millions of ISK per match. Those corporations which own districts also make millions perhaps billions of ISK by the sale of clones. Then they are able to turn around and play Pub matches using full BPO fittings and risk absolutely no loss.

The players that could benefit the most from BPOs - the new players - will then only further fatten the wallets of the veteran players, while at the same time depleting their own because they would always be forced to risk something to play.

In a game where risk vs reward is supposed to be the driving factor, not allowing the trade of BPOs after removing the ability to otherwise obtain them completely destroys this philosophy.

Actually, BPOs present a few complications when it comes to balancing the incoming secondary market. For starters they don't have any material requirements like other BPOs in Eve Online do. Which means they are independent from industry and therefore present a problem for players on the Eve side of the Eve-Dust connection. If Eve players are going to handle most of the initial industry functions of Dust such as manufacturing, how are they going to compete with AURUM BPOs that don't have material requirements and therefore undercut the profits the manufacturers?

Then there is the fact that if Eve players get impacted negatively by AURUM BPOs then proportionally the players that provide the materials for dropsuit production (most likely to be Dust-side district owners in the future) will be equally affected.



Please read CCP's original post. If you already purchased a BPO, it's staying in your hangar despite the fact that CCP is removing them from the market. Think of them as your novelty collection and be glad you get to keep them.

BPO's not working as intended ? CCP , What the hell ? What were they supposed to do ?

Hey all,

We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.

We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories.

Simple!
They make adv an proto gear an weapons that aren't bpos.
Sell it for whatever you like at that point.
Their are no scrambler bpos except from the eve pack, no nova knives, md,lazers,faylocks, forge guns or hmgs.
Which means they can sell all that plus jack the cost of any gear above basic, an ya bpo users won't have to buy basic gear but they can afford the sky rocketing costs of proto fits, so it ll work out

It's pretty obvious that CCP needs to have some serious and transparent dialogues with the community and the CPM about the future of BPOs, and fast. This is a legal issue that involves contract disputes and real money. It's solution is not going to be as simple as saying, "HTFU, scrubs."

It is a good start to let us know that they are not currently going to remove the items that they have already sold to us. That cannot be the last word on this, though. We agreed to pay them money for a certain product that they advertised. To take our money, and then change the product after the fact and replace it with something that we didn't agree to buy is unethical and generally considered a breach of contract. People can say that the EULA covers their hind parts, and all I can say in response is that a class action lawsuit would definitely find out if that is true or not.

If they need to change how BPOs work, fine. If they want to change how they work without offering refunds so that I can decide if I actually want to buy this new product, that is not fine. I'm sure that their legal team is sitting them down and telling them about things like consumer protection laws, just as I am also sure that the longer they leave players in the dark about this, the longer they go without selling any more packs.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For teh economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

I'm ok with having my bpo items locked into my character, but that is just me. I will let the rest of the player base decide for themselves on that major and go with the majority vote. Actually, do what CCP Cmdr Wang did and put it to a vote.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

I will be in my unbiased mood and help host another public vote just like the one I hosted earlier about the weekly SP cap from long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

How this will work is that I will post two replies down below. Each reply is basically one of two votes to cast. You can cast your vote by simply clicking on the "Like" button located on the top-right corner of each of the two replies. I will host this Public Vote for as long as it takes for CCP to notice.

The point of this vote is to get CCP's attention on the issue on whether or not our BPO that are in our hangars (which thankfully we get to keep) get character locked or stay opened for secondary market trading. This is also to help CCP better decide which direction to go for in such a short notice if there is no time to discuss it with the CPM first. It will be most appreciated if the members of the CPM post here for support.

I'm actually somewhat worried about this... The guy worked on Battlefield Play4Free and Need for Speed World. We just got rid of murder taxi's, for one, and Battlefield Play4Free was a travesty. Hell, just look at the metacritic score (or better yet play the game) and you'll notice some red flags.

Okay, that might have come off as some rather heavy handed sarcasm but it is curious none the less. Let's be real here, the last thing we need is content that has a measurable impact on the battlefield that you can only obtain by paying money and since EA's answer to solving that over at BF:P4F was to abolish premium content that people paid MONEY for....

... and I know, you can't blame one person for the company's mistakes. But one good apple doesn't make a bunch edible. So, here's to hoping that none of EA's business practices wore off on the guy.

Either way, welcome to the team.

I created an account through a recruitment link. I don't think I ever got the recruit dropsuit beside having enough warpoints. Are those bpo's disapearing or just the ones in the packs and stores. It's not a big deal, but I am curious.

Most of the people who have bpos have millions of isk and proto gear. Very few of us with these assets don't use them BC we do t need them. The new players, however, do need bpos when they start out. Not allowing players to buy bpo gear, or at least trade them, only hurts new players. I'd be in favor of bringing the back to the marketplace.

Most of the people who have bpos have millions of isk and proto gear. Very few of us with these assets don't use them BC we do t need them. The new players, however, do need bpos when they start out. Not allowing players to buy bpo gear, or at least trade them, only hurts new players. I'd be in favor of bringing the back to the marketplace.

My Feedback
I think BPO's should eventually be made into how they work in EVE. That they require you to actually build the said items with materials. The materials could be gained through the PVE mechanics CCP have said they are working towards. This would then let us put the manufactured items up on the player controlled market (CCP have said they are working towards this too) for the prices we see fit.

This would then make BPOGÇÖs very valuable to the people who have invested in the skills to manufacture those said items and useless to those who are not looking to skill into manufacturing apart from to sell upon the market. All in all this will add new meta game mechanics for people to undercut each other to sell their gear.

IGÇÖm pretty sure this has already been posted because its a good idea, if i do say so myself. I mean the mechanic works wonders in EVE!

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As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

Do NOT lock BPO trade please. I know BPOs are bad for the economy, but trading won't increase the amount of BPOs in the game, so there is no point on BPO trade restrictions. BPO trade restrictions would only serve to massively inconvenience us.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

This is not true for the reason I stated in my previous post.
You only need x1 BPO. If you have x8 BPOs of the same type it can be regarded as x1, since you can't use or trade the rest (currently). If you could trade these freely, there would be x7 more people running around using your old BPOs, thus effectively increasing the "amount of BPOs" dramatically.

And that's exactly why they should be player locked. I don't have a use for all those extra Dragonfly Scout suits sitting in my inventory, but I understand it could be a huge problem spreading them around the community.

The only other thing I can think of would be to lock them still, but offer some sort of voluntary BPO trade-in program. Say, trading BPOs for FW LP? Then you get the community to voluntarily destroy the BPOs themselves.

The more I think about it, I feel like a voluntary conversion to something of value (boosters, AUR sum) is the only way to please both the Dust market and the players who were encouraged by CCP to stock up on extras. Code in some dialog for each BPO that will let you convert at any time if you want and soulbind them.

It's a ****** situation, but it's one CCP made for itself and customers should not be made to pay for their mistake. I know I will be more hesitant to spend in the future because of this, no matter how CCP decides to nerf BPOs.

As i said in my previous post in this thread.

simply make the bpos work as they do in eve. allow us to buy and sell the ones we want for isk and tie the resources we need into PvE Drone infestation where we are rewarded materials to build the bpo items and use them, people who want to run 'free' suits can do so by running a few hours of PvE to stock up their suits but they are still consumable but you have to work for them a little and have the manufacture time so you have to wait for them to build as you do in eve. if you make it that you can build 20 suits a day then it doesn't damage the economy as much. even those who have multiple copies of the mag suits or covenant ect cant over do it. eventually the suits could be sold for isk which in turn helps us run proto and advanced gear and vehicles thus turns into an isk sink but helps with the limited income we get from grinding pub matches

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

To CCP:

You could offer a reasonable sum of AUR or ISK through a "buyback" effort.
Mercs will readily part with the BPOs they don't use, so you'll have fewer BPOs in circulation.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

To CCP:

You could offer a reasonable sum of AUR or ISK through a "buyback" effort.
Mercs will readily part with the BPOs they don't use, so you'll have fewer BPOs in circulation.

what about this:

you allow players to run off copies from a bpo. the bpo itself is not a suit. to produce your copies you have to pay "x" amount of isk per suit/item which is substantially less than the isk variants. all your bpo's can be listed on the market in a new menu and you just run them off from that menu.

isk is being lost, and bpo owners are still saving isk.

thats a compromise i would be willing to accept but the isk cost has to be at a level to make them worthwhile

To CCP:

You could offer a reasonable sum of AUR or ISK through a "buyback" effort.
Mercs will readily part with the BPOs they don't use, so you'll have fewer BPOs in circulation.

Glad to hear you aren't taking BPOs from player inventories.
You could nerf bat them to discourage use, but that'd be plain dirty.

+1

I bought the elite pack and the other one because of the BPO's
I was under the impression like other items in the game we could be able to sell them.
as with the whole respec issue you will do wharever you want.

I have multiple LAVs and boo suits and so many SMG's

If you had told me that each one I bought i would not be able to resell I would not have purchased so many.

I guess you have made a fool of your paying customers once again if you do not allow us to sell these items.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

The annoying thing is this could have all been resolved many moons ago with a refund at release (or switch from closed to open beta, I forget which) that was originally suggested but withdrawn as a few might make a few extra AUR profit

Not gonna happen.

Too many players back in closed beta purchased hundreds of BPOs for dirt cheap (100 AURUM +/-50) and then later on CCP jacked up the prices to as much as 12,000 AUR a piece. A closed beta player who spent 50,000 AUR to get 500 BPOs will be in a position to gain 500,000 AURUM with 450,000 of that amount coming from thin air (no cash input for CCP). That is the equivalent of the US Mint printing out trillions of dollars and then handing them out for free to anyone who walks by. It will completely devalue the AURUM itself and cause a massive influx of players proto-stomping in AURUM gear for a very long time.

The problem there is that "a few extra AUR profit" was actually going to be "hundreds of dollars worth of AUR profit".

CCP was going to refund the BPOs people bought for 30AUR at a price of 3500AUR.

If you bought 20,000AUR for $9.99 and snagged 666 BPOs for 30 AUR, you'd get a refund of 2,331,000 AUR, which is $1,165 worth of digital muneez.

CCP's accounting would have to write a $1,155 liability on their ledgers for every $10 players spent on BPOs. And then any reasonable CFO would make the streets of Iceland run red with the blood of the idiots who went ahead with the refund.

See why they didn't, and won't ever, do it?

I know this may sound simplistic and not complicated enough ....

But ,why can we just use ISK to restock BPO's ?.... i will be happy just having the cosmetic look. Maybe just a bit less ISK to restock them.

If they offered a RESPEC system that was given with AUR and an optional buy back of AUR BPOs after the secondary market opened I think it would solve the ISK sink dilemma as well as any AUR devaluation you fear.

Solves two birds win one stone. Then they could actually fix the in game reward system to incentivize fierce competitive matches and EVERYBODY would be happy.

You don't really think a causal player, or even a weekend guy like me, is going to spend AUR on something like a Killswitch or Codewish. No thanks. BPO's offer a sense of tangibility. Something permanent you get for spending your hard earned money.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

You did sell BPOs with the explicit claim that having them would mean players could be free of isk costs. Now if you go ahead and introduce isk costs to them, in whatever form, you'll be betraying the trust of your customers. It would be like selling 30 day boosters and then downgrading them to 7 days because you didn't like the effect.

Your payout is determined according to your time in battle, your place on the scoreboard, if your team won or not, and the total amount of isk burned through by both sides in the battle.

Or they could simply introduce a new build "due to hardware limitations" and "refund the inventory". And there-¦s nothing you could do about it.
There was talk about no future character wipes, nobody ever said anything about inventory wipes.

I am legitimately sorry that you have to pay real money for ingame items to win a game or two, but this sounds like a major case of not-HTFU.
Have you ever considered playing by, y-¦know, the same rules everybody else does?

And while we are at it, please answer a question if you got the time.

Why do you play a challenging game, and then put down real money to make it less challenging?

This concept seriously boggles my mind.

You did sell BPOs with the explicit claim that having them would mean players could be free of isk costs. Now if you go ahead and introduce isk costs to them, in whatever form, you'll be betraying the trust of your customers. It would be like selling 30 day boosters and then downgrading them to 7 days because you didn't like the effect.

The one way of limiting the impact of BPOs I'd be ok with would be to make them manufacture consumable, untradeable copies of items every day / week or whatever. Still being able to trade the blueprint if you don't want it anymore, but it would give them a clearer value in ISK terms *and* limit their impact on the economy.

If my exile blueprint gave me say...50 exile rifles per week, without cost, then I'd probably be ok with that as long as higher level tiers of gear were more worthwhile to use.

This is what gets me.

CCP:
"SPEND MONEY GUYS!! YOU CAN HAVE A *WHATEVER* BPO! YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? USE IT FOREVER AND IT NEVER RUNS OUT!"

Players:
"Ok, cool... I don't know how much ISK I really save not buying MLT or STD quality items, but that sounds ok.

****Later****

CCP:
"BPOs are negative since items need to be consumed for the player economy to work... they have to go. We may have to do something about the ones you already have."

Player:
"That's not what you said when you asked for $50, $100, or $150 for items that do just that..."

What rules?

Tell me, do you knees hurt from being on them all day long, having CCP's dong in your mouth?

Why not change them into permanent plans with limited runs?

Have them only function a certain number of times a week, then have them cool down until then next reset.

We who bought the darn things don't want to break the game but we don't want to feel cheated either.

As far a trading, if you get rid of the infinite nature of the suits by limiting the amount that can be used you cause a demand for militia grade suits and modules. It might even create an reason to own more than one copy of a BPO.


My .02 isk

First of all I am not trying to be argumentative.But limited uses per week is something that your intelligent mind (not sarcasm)and others such as I had mentioned in the past for a proto BPO and apparently CCP couldnt think up when they invented them for us to purchase and use......not something that is militia grade and its survivability is little.

CCP is trying to take some cop out and say that they didnt realize what this would do to the player market.....(not going to curse)Which I find absolute nonsense.This is there game.They created it.All the sudden they dont know how it works?Couldnt foresee this?

To CCP
You already know the solution....FW pays no Isk in the future.Lock BPO's to players.People go into FW and burn up ISK gear they're gonna have to grind pubs/PC again if they drive them selves completely broke.New players will buy BPC and AUR Items.Newer players might actually buy AUR stuff to beat a Vet that they knew in the past who had proto stomped them, and now wants some pay back against the vet wearing a BPO.Vet gets pissed now he breaks out his AUR gear....

As 30 million Sp character I am ok with someone trying to do that to me.You've adjusted PC to where they cant just sit back and collect off Genolution clone sales and bank.They have to make money by attacking each other.Bulk ISK in DUST levels out in a couple months.New players actually have a chance using there starter fits against vets wearing BPO's in FW but by this time LP boosters are on the market.

CCP...I dont want to make money off your product or trade them for other product that you have created.I just want you to honor our agreement at the point of sale.That they were Permanent, infinite use and here are the gears' stats.That is why I bought them.

Agreed. They should honor the agreement. However, I bet they would try and bump up the Adv. and proto gear stats to discourage BPO's even more, which isn't right either. Let it alone CCP! Pull the BPO's fine, but leave it alone.

This isn't a bad thing. See, this creates a market because now the only BPO's will come from users. So make it so only AUR can be charged for a BPO. That means the buyer will have to buy an AUR pack to purchase the item from the seller, who will in turn use that AUR to buy something for his character. That seems like a nice little niche in the marketplace.

If that's not the route to take, then fine. Allow trade ins for other items. At least for the ones who bought multiple packs, so they can get something back and keep one BPO for themselves.

The armory should definitely allow BPO swapping between members. It's our BPO's, we paid you, and the BPO's are our property to do with as we wish. Simple enough.

Any timeline on when the Veteran and Elite Packs will lose their BPOs?
Will we receive ample warning as with the Market BPOs?

I think this point to needs to be made as well...

You changed the Valor Scout, Raven Assault, Sver Logistics so that they had to be unlocked thru there Racial trees....

SO what I think that means is 1 you sold the BPO'S as permanent items and then hit up your customers a second time with having to buy boosters so that they would have to unlock them.

The point Im trying to make is this....You gave them requirements to unlock.So if someone bought all 3 and Unlocked all 3 and never had any intention of selling them.Maybe some people did that..so how much Sp is that? What did that net you in booster sales?

Why not ignore BPOs and just offer more incentives to use ADV and PRO equipment? If the BPOs are too good, that might mean that ADV and PRO are not good enough to justify the prices.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

Make BPOs an integral part of the economy, they turn into a commodity as they are useful and only purchasable wit aurum, add more of them, but them back into the market place at elevated aurum cost.

Boom.

Now you can "pay for isk" same as buying plex to sell in eve, but you can't pay to win, non-p2p players can buy bps through isk, and people will actually spend real money on them for that very reason!

Nobody likes these custom fit backs and expendable cash items. This is not a viable long term solution.

If you do that we would have to pay a monthly fee for dust, else Dust will not make any money at all, this game is using the F2P model, you cannot buy virtual currency item with in game resources.

If you do that we would have to pay a monthly fee for dust, else Dust will not make any money at all, this game is using the F2P model, you cannot buy virtual currency item with in game resources.

Non-vehicle BPOs are terrible investments. Any amount of ISK in the tens of millions payed for a BPO will never be paid back by said BPO. If CCP is so worried about collectors paying ludicrous prices for BPOs and allowing the sellers to essentially trade real money for BPOs for ISK, place a cap on the price.

At the end of the day, someone can just convert money into aurum and then aurum items into ISK if they are that desperate. With $100 you can get 225,000 AUR and buy 4500-5000 proto AUR guns. These can sell for 100k each due to the lower skill requirements. There you go, half a billion ISK. That's 5 million ISK a dollar.

If it affects industry, make the BPOs cost resources every fitting, with the only benefit being the nice skin. Just because you have a blueprint doesn't mean you magically don't need materials to make the item. It's not like I can zap cake into existence without flour just because I'm holding a recipe.

I spent a great deal of money on BPOs, I purchased each and every pack that CCP released with BPOs. I will expect no less then a full cash refund for all purchases with BPOs when they are removed and if they are translated into Eve like BPOs.

What the hell did you base your research on? BPOs can pay back ISK in savings regardless if they're non-vehicle BPOs as long as you're a good player who knows what he's doing.

Also, **** no to suggesting about putting a cap on the selling price in ISK. If I want to sell a bpo for 620 million ISK (the price of plex at the moment) to a player, then I should have that option. **** price caps. Let the players have full control of their prices.

I think CCP is missing the obvious. The reason BPOs are so common and no one is buying gear is that the only players left are the old farts who bought BPOs months ago when they believed CCP could achieve the promises they made. Since the number of new players are few and far between, there is no one left who needs to buy gear. This change isn't going to affect anything, since the people who have BPOs will still be around, and the new people who don't have BPOs don't exist.

Math. If you pay just 10 million ISK (EVE Collector's Edition codes go for 50 million ISK PER BPO after division, so I'm being generous) for a standard weapon BPO and the weapon usually costs 1k, you need to die 10,000 times in that suit to make up the cost. Yes, ten THOUSAND times.

If you're a good player, you are LESS likely to make money off a BPO, since you die less. If you don't die, your equipment costs are irrelevant. I die 4-5 times an Ambush in standard gear. That's 5k ISK an Ambush I'd be saving per weapon/module BPO, per match. If I paid 50 million for a BPO and a match takes 5 minutes, I'd make up the cost of the BPO after 830 hours of Ambush in that suit. Add in waiting times and squading up and you're at least at 1000 hours. This is being generous.

You can make a profit in the early tens of millions of ISK, but many items will be priced way above that due to collectors and human stupidity. However, I agree that the players should be free to control pricing. It's just that capped BPOs > no BPOs.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

If BPO's is what i think it is (Blue prints ?) then i can see why ccp would have a problem with this being sold player to player it would ruin there money chances cause in a year or so many people would have these infinate items and not need to buy **** ingame or out of game with real money like a noob which is what ccp is banking on from most of you.

Did you just read what you posted? Everything about this statement is as wrong as saying "the singularity is about to explode". I have to DIE 10,000 times to make up the money lost in paying for the BPO? Who the **** gets paid for dying? No one. You don't earn ISK for dying... ever. You earn ISK for making the other bastard die and finishing a match. Therefore you logic is flawed.

I usually earn about 140,000 ISK per match in my scout suit. Using that as a baseline and assuming I fitted the same weapon BPO as you referenced, I will only need to complete 71 matches minimum. Assuming that each match is about 20 minutes long, that will be about 23 hours. If you play only 3 hours a day, that's about almost 8 days. I will make up what I lost in about a week. In New Eden economics, that's about right.

If I die 10,000 times and I earn nothing from each death then I still haven't earned any ISK to even get started on making up what I lost.



Again, dying gives you no ISK. Your point is invalid.



At least you got this part right.

Math. If you pay just 10 million ISK (EVE Collector's Edition codes go for 50 million ISK PER BPO after division, so I'm being generous) for a standard weapon BPO and the weapon usually costs 1k, you need to die 10,000 times in that suit to make up the cost. Yes, ten THOUSAND times.

I knew you would not understand this when I wrote this, because no one understands how investments work.

I don't understand? You were talking about making up for the cost of the BPOs in ISK. What is there to not understand?

Dude, seriously, you're not making any sense here. I already understood completely what you said earlier about making up for the cost and then you turn around and accuse me of not understanding? This conversation is starting to get stupid.

I thought you did not understand when you said you could pay off the BPO in 71 Ambushes because this is fundamentally a flawed view of investments. You don't make a profit off something as soon as you've paid for it. You make a profit off of something once its paid for ITSELF, either through actual profit or mitigating losses. I'm sorry if you already understood this.

Anyways, my point is that you can easily earn back the ISK that you lost with the BPOs in a short time. Once that BPO is paid off, you start getting profit via savings as you mentioned from that point on.

Also, once the secondary market opens up, I'll be sure to buy BPOs low and sell them high like a typical Eve marketeer. In fact, I'm an Eve marketeer myself. I'm already on my way towards being able to set up to 260 buy/sell orders at once with reduced broker fees and cheaper NPC taxes. With a few careful moves and some heavy muscling of the lesser players in the regional market I'm very close to recuperating the ISK I lost in getting the skill books as well as the commodities.

Hey all,

We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.

We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories.

Ok whats a BPO?

Blue print original.

Dragonfly scout
Mtl sg bpo
Toxin smg bpo
Cardiac bpo
Arm rep bpo
Shield bpo
Remotes an m1 grenades
Total cost
2700 isk

Average isk per match 200 000
Deaths under ten but let's do the math at 10

Ten deaths of 2700 = 27000
200000 match payout -27 000 equals 173,000 profit or more per match.
That's roughly 289 matches or less to make 50 million isk.
5 million isk a day at 200000 a day is 25 matches a day.
5 million isk divided by a profit of 173000 isk per patch after ten deaths equals 28. 9 matches a day
At that rate in one month of grinding like a zombie at five million a day that's 150,000,000 a month if your disciplined.
So selling bpos for 50 000 isk is cheap in my opinion.

I'm with MAKEN on this, people should charge what they want in market cuz once you have bpo making money won't be a problem an they will fund all the proto you like

ahhh ok thank you

Will starter fits be removed?
Introduce scout packs with AUR and boosters and expendable scout items.

If we're able to sell look me up, I have 8 scouts, 8 toxins, 3 cars, 2 assault suits an rifles

Dragonfly scout
Mtl sg bpo
Toxin smg bpo
Cardiac bpo
Arm rep bpo
Shield bpo
Remotes an m1 grenades
Total cost
2700 isk

Average isk per match 200 000
Deaths under ten but let's do the math at 10

Ten deaths of 2700 = 27000
200000 match payout -27 000 equals 173,000 profit or more per match.
That's roughly 289 matches or less to make 50 million isk.
5 million isk a day at 200000 a day is 25 matches a day.
5 million isk divided by a profit of 173000 isk per patch after ten deaths equals 28. 9 matches a day
At that rate in one month of grinding like a zombie at five million a day that's 150,000,000 a month if your disciplined.
So selling bpos for 50 000 isk is cheap in my opinion.

I'm with MAKEN on this, people should charge what they want in market cuz once you have bpo making money won't be a problem an they will fund all the proto you like

@Borne

Dude, seriously just let it go already. As other people said, this thread has side tracked enough. Back to the topic at hand. A lot of us here, especially after the recent public vote, seem to want the ability to freely trade the BPOs without restrictions.

If we're able to sell look me up, I have 8 scouts, 8 toxins, 3 cars, 2 assault suits an rifles

Im thinking its a good thing right now that SCEA sends me an email when I add money to my PSN wallet then lets me know the content I bought.....

I got this other one from CCP that tells me about there Merc pack with a Permanent Dropsuit and Weapon.

In CCP's defense is doesn't say anything about gifting/selling there digital content in the future to third parties though.

The Argument about opening the player market and that BPO"S affect this is ridiculous .I know there are plenty of you that have Officer weps that you dont intend to use.Those are the items which youll be able to sell.As A person that bought Many merc packs I understood that I was buying duplicates but they gave us boosters and AUR and consumables. Which I have plenty of those left as well .This stupid crap Im reading about how many matches It akes to earn this much ISK is for lack of a better phrase absolute Fk8ing stupidity.Bpo's and the ISk they could potentially generate is pennies to what EVE players can make.SO this whole unbalancing the market argument is absolutely assuniying when a EVE player makes WAY more money than your Dust character.

If we are talking about Full integration of the market than we are also talking about Transfering funds.289 matches? How long is that in game time?How much money could an EVE player generate in that same amount of time?You think there is too much money in DUST? That a Dust merc having a hundred million ISk In a pvp setting is a game/market breaker? LOL thats funny,thats absolutely hilarious that really is....

I can buy a PLEX in EVE and get 580 million in a couple clicks......that cost me 20 USD

I have yet to make a character with one Dragonfly merc pack that has a massed that amount of ISK, and my bet is that no one has and it has never happened.

Just because you can use a calculator, doesn't mean you're smart.

If BPOs are so bad and game breaking, why are they still being sold in the Veteran and Elite packs?