Non-vehicle BPOs are terrible investments. Any amount of ISK in the tens of millions payed for a BPO will never be paid back by said BPO. If CCP is so worried about collectors paying ludicrous prices for BPOs and allowing the sellers to essentially trade real money for BPOs for ISK, place a cap on the price.

At the end of the day, someone can just convert money into aurum and then aurum items into ISK if they are that desperate. With $100 you can get 225,000 AUR and buy 4500-5000 proto AUR guns. These can sell for 100k each due to the lower skill requirements. There you go, half a billion ISK. That's 5 million ISK a dollar.

If it affects industry, make the BPOs cost resources every fitting, with the only benefit being the nice skin. Just because you have a blueprint doesn't mean you magically don't need materials to make the item. It's not like I can zap cake into existence without flour just because I'm holding a recipe.

I spent a great deal of money on BPOs, I purchased each and every pack that CCP released with BPOs. I will expect no less then a full cash refund for all purchases with BPOs when they are removed and if they are translated into Eve like BPOs.

What the hell did you base your research on? BPOs can pay back ISK in savings regardless if they're non-vehicle BPOs as long as you're a good player who knows what he's doing.

Also, **** no to suggesting about putting a cap on the selling price in ISK. If I want to sell a bpo for 620 million ISK (the price of plex at the moment) to a player, then I should have that option. **** price caps. Let the players have full control of their prices.

I think CCP is missing the obvious. The reason BPOs are so common and no one is buying gear is that the only players left are the old farts who bought BPOs months ago when they believed CCP could achieve the promises they made. Since the number of new players are few and far between, there is no one left who needs to buy gear. This change isn't going to affect anything, since the people who have BPOs will still be around, and the new people who don't have BPOs don't exist.

Math. If you pay just 10 million ISK (EVE Collector's Edition codes go for 50 million ISK PER BPO after division, so I'm being generous) for a standard weapon BPO and the weapon usually costs 1k, you need to die 10,000 times in that suit to make up the cost. Yes, ten THOUSAND times.

If you're a good player, you are LESS likely to make money off a BPO, since you die less. If you don't die, your equipment costs are irrelevant. I die 4-5 times an Ambush in standard gear. That's 5k ISK an Ambush I'd be saving per weapon/module BPO, per match. If I paid 50 million for a BPO and a match takes 5 minutes, I'd make up the cost of the BPO after 830 hours of Ambush in that suit. Add in waiting times and squading up and you're at least at 1000 hours. This is being generous.

You can make a profit in the early tens of millions of ISK, but many items will be priced way above that due to collectors and human stupidity. However, I agree that the players should be free to control pricing. It's just that capped BPOs > no BPOs.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

If BPO's is what i think it is (Blue prints ?) then i can see why ccp would have a problem with this being sold player to player it would ruin there money chances cause in a year or so many people would have these infinate items and not need to buy **** ingame or out of game with real money like a noob which is what ccp is banking on from most of you.

Did you just read what you posted? Everything about this statement is as wrong as saying "the singularity is about to explode". I have to DIE 10,000 times to make up the money lost in paying for the BPO? Who the **** gets paid for dying? No one. You don't earn ISK for dying... ever. You earn ISK for making the other bastard die and finishing a match. Therefore you logic is flawed.

I usually earn about 140,000 ISK per match in my scout suit. Using that as a baseline and assuming I fitted the same weapon BPO as you referenced, I will only need to complete 71 matches minimum. Assuming that each match is about 20 minutes long, that will be about 23 hours. If you play only 3 hours a day, that's about almost 8 days. I will make up what I lost in about a week. In New Eden economics, that's about right.

If I die 10,000 times and I earn nothing from each death then I still haven't earned any ISK to even get started on making up what I lost.



Again, dying gives you no ISK. Your point is invalid.



At least you got this part right.

Math. If you pay just 10 million ISK (EVE Collector's Edition codes go for 50 million ISK PER BPO after division, so I'm being generous) for a standard weapon BPO and the weapon usually costs 1k, you need to die 10,000 times in that suit to make up the cost. Yes, ten THOUSAND times.

I knew you would not understand this when I wrote this, because no one understands how investments work.

I don't understand? You were talking about making up for the cost of the BPOs in ISK. What is there to not understand?

Dude, seriously, you're not making any sense here. I already understood completely what you said earlier about making up for the cost and then you turn around and accuse me of not understanding? This conversation is starting to get stupid.

I thought you did not understand when you said you could pay off the BPO in 71 Ambushes because this is fundamentally a flawed view of investments. You don't make a profit off something as soon as you've paid for it. You make a profit off of something once its paid for ITSELF, either through actual profit or mitigating losses. I'm sorry if you already understood this.

Anyways, my point is that you can easily earn back the ISK that you lost with the BPOs in a short time. Once that BPO is paid off, you start getting profit via savings as you mentioned from that point on.

Also, once the secondary market opens up, I'll be sure to buy BPOs low and sell them high like a typical Eve marketeer. In fact, I'm an Eve marketeer myself. I'm already on my way towards being able to set up to 260 buy/sell orders at once with reduced broker fees and cheaper NPC taxes. With a few careful moves and some heavy muscling of the lesser players in the regional market I'm very close to recuperating the ISK I lost in getting the skill books as well as the commodities.

Hey all,

We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs.

We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game.

Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories.

Ok whats a BPO?

Blue print original.

Dragonfly scout
Mtl sg bpo
Toxin smg bpo
Cardiac bpo
Arm rep bpo
Shield bpo
Remotes an m1 grenades
Total cost
2700 isk

Average isk per match 200 000
Deaths under ten but let's do the math at 10

Ten deaths of 2700 = 27000
200000 match payout -27 000 equals 173,000 profit or more per match.
That's roughly 289 matches or less to make 50 million isk.
5 million isk a day at 200000 a day is 25 matches a day.
5 million isk divided by a profit of 173000 isk per patch after ten deaths equals 28. 9 matches a day
At that rate in one month of grinding like a zombie at five million a day that's 150,000,000 a month if your disciplined.
So selling bpos for 50 000 isk is cheap in my opinion.

I'm with MAKEN on this, people should charge what they want in market cuz once you have bpo making money won't be a problem an they will fund all the proto you like

ahhh ok thank you

Will starter fits be removed?
Introduce scout packs with AUR and boosters and expendable scout items.

If we're able to sell look me up, I have 8 scouts, 8 toxins, 3 cars, 2 assault suits an rifles

Dragonfly scout
Mtl sg bpo
Toxin smg bpo
Cardiac bpo
Arm rep bpo
Shield bpo
Remotes an m1 grenades
Total cost
2700 isk

Average isk per match 200 000
Deaths under ten but let's do the math at 10

Ten deaths of 2700 = 27000
200000 match payout -27 000 equals 173,000 profit or more per match.
That's roughly 289 matches or less to make 50 million isk.
5 million isk a day at 200000 a day is 25 matches a day.
5 million isk divided by a profit of 173000 isk per patch after ten deaths equals 28. 9 matches a day
At that rate in one month of grinding like a zombie at five million a day that's 150,000,000 a month if your disciplined.
So selling bpos for 50 000 isk is cheap in my opinion.

I'm with MAKEN on this, people should charge what they want in market cuz once you have bpo making money won't be a problem an they will fund all the proto you like