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OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:35:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:If BPOs are currently not functioning as intended, what is the intended function of BPOs.
I also saw a post in which a CCP representative stated they were considering not allowing the trade/sale of BPOs on the player controlled market.
Not allowing the trade of BPOs is a very bad Idea.
There should never be Items purchased by some, but not available to all. This rallies against the Free to Play model. It sends a very bad message to new players, and disproportionately rewards veteran players with the unrestricted ability to earn ISK which they mostly do not need anyway.
Most veteran players are in PC, where they make millions of ISK per match. Those corporations which own districts also make millions perhaps billions of ISK by the sale of clones. Then they are able to turn around and play Pub matches using full BPO fittings and risk absolutely no loss.
The players that could benefit the most from BPOs - the new players - will then only further fatten the wallets of the veteran players, while at the same time depleting their own because they would always be forced to risk something to play.
In a game where risk vs reward is supposed to be the driving factor, not allowing the trade of BPOs after removing the ability to otherwise obtain them completely destroys this philosophy. It is risk vs reward.
I risked not having a pack of smokes until payday, maybe getting a flat on the way to work an not having enough in my account, not having gas, not having booze for the hot date so I could GETSOME, see I got this problem with my chequing an my savings, an I risked giving ccp money.
I DESERVE MY REWARD! Bpos are basically like owning your own factory an if they wanna take em I want 1yr supply of active an passive omega boosters per BPO!
If this game is really gonna be around as long as they say it is then I was smart enough to buy park place, boardwalk an Baltic ave an all them train stations!
Everyone had time to buy them, we that have bpos should be able to do whatever we want with them, they are priceless isk making fortune factories an because we supported ccp that should be our reward!
Trade them for other bpos, for 200 officer weapons, for 10 000 000 isk! They are wayne Gretzky rookie cards an as players trade an sell them to each other an people delete characters they will become fewer an more valuable .
We took the risk in a beta game an we funded it, this is our reward! |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:45:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Luk Manag wrote:BPOs were not broken.. Actually, BPOs present a few complications when it comes to balancing the incoming secondary market. For starters they don't have any material requirements like other BPOs in Eve Online do. Which means they are independent from industry and therefore present a problem for players on the Eve side of the Eve-Dust connection. If Eve players are going to handle most of the initial industry functions of Dust such as manufacturing, how are they going to compete with AURUM BPOs that don't have material requirements and therefore undercut the profits the manufacturers? Then there is the fact that if Eve players get impacted negatively by AURUM BPOs then proportionally the players that provide the materials for dropsuit production (most likely to be Dust-side district owners in the future) will be equally affected. Quote: Removing them will have fallout, with vets demanding cash refunds.
Please read CCP's original post. If you already purchased a BPO, it's staying in your hangar despite the fact that CCP is removing them from the market. Think of them as your novelty collection and be glad you get to keep them. Simple! They make adv an proto gear an weapons that aren't bpos. Sell it for whatever you like at that point. Their are no scrambler bpos except from the eve pack, no nova knives, md,lazers,faylocks, forge guns or hmgs. Which means they can sell all that plus jack the cost of any gear above basic, an ya bpo users won't have to buy basic gear but they can afford the sky rocketing costs of proto fits, so it ll work out |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:50:00 -
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Necandi Brasil wrote:BPO's not working as intended ? CCP , What the hell ? What were they supposed to do ? Take your money, the not working as intended part is them not figuring out how to remove them, bait an switch you two weeks ago an keep your cash! |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:52:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.
As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision. I used to run proto scout all the time but I'm broke now an it's because of this:
You have failed to fix shotguns 100% and nova knives, I have been waiting patiently for months for this scout love an have gone broke becaus: 1.My weapons don't detect hits so I die; why would I use 150 000 isk fits if when I stab a guy,he kills me because the game glitched.
2. You dialed up the hit detection an range on assault rifles to the point that they die so much from cheap gear that it makes no difference using proto, change range in gear quality or something, but lower it from what it is dont increase it.
3. 1.4 build made it so easy to die that people don't really have to aim, a lot of vets have their skills so high that a proficient AR user can use basic gear an damage mods an it works like a proto so a free rifle an 3000 isk mod work like a 50 000 isk rifle.
Don't remove bpo or starter fits, either remove damage mods or increase their cost to say 10 000 for basic, 20 000 for enh, an 30 000 for complex. This would reduce death an possibly change the game, it makes no sense to use a 50 000 isk rifle an 60 000 for two damage mods for the logi assaults if you did this.
As a scout I have lost a slot since uprising an everything else in the game works better, why would I continuously go broke if theirs no survivabilaty difference? This goes for assaults to since its easier to kill, dps is your survival not bpo shields an armor, people use bpo suits an guns an complex damage mods. Change it so that starter fits can't have gear that it comes with interchangeable with other gear. Then increase the cost of damage mods. This way aBPO suit with a complex damage mod still costs 30 000.
Also you need to makeBPO SELLABLE on p2p market , I have7 df scouts between characters, toxins, 3 assault bpo an 3 cars, I only need one of each an new players need vets to at least be able to give or sell one to them or corps be able to use them as recruitment bonuses to give noobs a leg up an make them feel important.
You could also remove starters after 10 mill sp, vets don't need those , that also would give people a reason to buy BPOS from others an make them a top commodity .
Not making BPO sellable is bad for biz, I bought more packs on the ideal that it was top of the line real estate , who wants ten of the same thing that they can't profit selling 9 of?
When you took BPOS off market people automatically bought doubles an triple of gear to re sell it because that's how you made it seem to be, that if you bought now it would benifit you in the future.
Trust me, pull up damage mod costs then let people sell BPOS an make starter fits non interchangable, this will makeBPOS even more invaluable then they already are.
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OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:25:00 -
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I want the novelty of my dragonfly an toxin, suits that the new guys don't have, for some reason I have no quaffe or black eagle suits so I want to keep what I have, either way until they solve this I'm not gonna use anything else but bpo suits. |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:11:00 -
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I'd be willing to trade extra bpos to ccp for omega boosters one per bpo BUT ONLY IF I CAN KEEP ONE OF EACH! |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:38:00 -
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Or they could give us all respec s for every 50 000 worth of aur BPOS =ƒوى |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:38:00 -
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Dragonfly scout Mtl sg bpo Toxin smg bpo Cardiac bpo Arm rep bpo Shield bpo Remotes an m1 grenades Total cost 2700 isk
Average isk per match 200 000 Deaths under ten but let's do the math at 10
Ten deaths of 2700 = 27000 200000 match payout -27 000 equals 173,000 profit or more per match. That's roughly 289 matches or less to make 50 million isk. 5 million isk a day at 200000 a day is 25 matches a day. 5 million isk divided by a profit of 173000 isk per patch after ten deaths equals 28. 9 matches a day At that rate in one month of grinding like a zombie at five million a day that's 150,000,000 a month if your disciplined. So selling bpos for 50 000 isk is cheap in my opinion.
I'm with MAKEN on this, people should charge what they want in market cuz once you have bpo making money won't be a problem an they will fund all the proto you like |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:39:00 -
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Sunara Detra wrote:Ok whats a BPO? Blue print original.
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OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:48:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Dragonfly scout Mtl sg bpo Toxin smg bpo Cardiac bpo Arm rep bpo Shield bpo Remotes an m1 grenades Total cost 2700 isk
Average isk per match 200 000 Deaths under ten but let's do the math at 10
Ten deaths of 2700 = 27000 200000 match payout -27 000 equals 173,000 profit or more per match. That's roughly 289 matches or less to make 50 million isk. 5 million isk a day at 200000 a day is 25 matches a day. 5 million isk divided by a profit of 173000 isk per patch after ten deaths equals 28. 9 matches a day At that rate in one month of grinding like a zombie at five million a day that's 150,000,000 a month if your disciplined. So selling bpos for 50 000 isk is cheap in my opinion.
I'm with MAKEN on this, people should charge what they want in market cuz once you have bpo making money won't be a problem an they will fund all the proto you like EDIT: sorry selling for 50 million is cheap. If I take a depot I can spam nano hives an uplinks to increase profit to almost 300 000 a match give or take without losing the logi suit. If you have smg pro you can use a toxin an hit like a six kin. That's like 30000 saved per death. I have 8 GET AT ME! |
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OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:52:00 -
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Sunara Detra wrote:OZAROW wrote:Sunara Detra wrote:Ok whats a BPO? Blue print original. ahhh ok thank you If we're able to sell look me up, I have 8 scouts, 8 toxins, 3 cars, 2 assault suits an rifles |
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