DUST Search - Announcement:Statement on BPO Removal

Borne Velvalor wrote:

Evicer wrote:

Im thinking its a good thing right now that SCEA sends me an email when I add money to my PSN wallet then lets me know the content I bought.....

I got this other one from CCP that tells me about there Merc pack with a Permanent Dropsuit and Weapon.

In CCP's defense is doesn't say anything about gifting/selling there digital content in the future to third parties though.

The Argument about opening the player market and that BPO"S affect this is ridiculous .I know there are plenty of you that have Officer weps that you dont intend to use.Those are the items which youll be able to sell.As A person that bought Many merc packs I understood that I was buying duplicates but they gave us boosters and AUR and consumables. Which I have plenty of those left as well .This stupid crap Im reading about how many matches It akes to earn this much ISK is for lack of a better phrase absolute Fk8ing stupidity.Bpo's and the ISk they could potentially generate is pennies to what EVE players can make.SO this whole unbalancing the market argument is absolutely assuniying when a EVE player makes WAY more money than your Dust character.

If we are talking about Full integration of the market than we are also talking about Transfering funds.289 matches? How long is that in game time?How much money could an EVE player generate in that same amount of time?You think there is too much money in DUST? That a Dust merc having a hundred million ISk In a pvp setting is a game/market breaker? LOL thats funny,thats absolutely hilarious that really is....

I can buy a PLEX in EVE and get 580 million in a couple clicks......that cost me 20 USD

I have yet to make a character with one Dragonfly merc pack that has a massed that amount of ISK, and my bet is that no one has and it has never happened.

Just because you can use a calculator, doesn't mean you're smart.

I did a lot of math, but my point was that BPOs aren't such enormous ISK farms like people say, especially when you start paying ISK for them, since that cuts into your savings. Exactly what your last few lines say; you haven't amassed some huge fortune from using BPOs. Even if you buy BPOs currently with real money, you might be making 25-30% more ISK per match than other players. This is, apparently, game breaking, when it's fine to have people walking around that payed for 100% more SP. It's a non-issue, even if players transfer BPOs around without losses due to resale. STD gear is already pretty cheap.

Anyone that wants to make real ISK will want to play PC, at which point BPOs aren't going to cut it. I honestly couldn't care less if someone kills me with BPOs and used that to fund a couple extra Proto suits a dozen matches later. There are way bigger problems.


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Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 19	Posted - 2013.10.20 04:30:00 - [1] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Hey all, We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs. We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game. Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories. Could you explain how they aren't working as intended? This...I have the same question and would like to know how it is that you are going to make them worthless considering I bought them on there value and function.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 19	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:25:00 - [2] - Quote The F2p kids will be screaming once changes to FW with a zero ISK payout and the LP boosters hit the market.You will now have to buy LP boosters AND SP boosters.The LP booster will increase you aftermatch payout thus being p2w anyways. So the p2w QQ monkeys who like getting rid of Bpos ,can suck on that one.They(CCP) simply have to mathematically adjust with a formula or make revisions as to the value of LP and feed us some line later on that they were not working as intended and adjust there LP store prices.One only has to look at the revisions being made for district ownership in PC as far as ISK generated and the Changes to FW that will be paying nothing to realize that CCP wants us to sustain our characters by using these Aurum BPC packs. Problem is,is this game currently isnt worth paying a quarter per play for. The other thing is with the changes to FW payout logic dictates that you the player would start using your militia Bpo's again in FW and playing against noobs wearing militia this might actually level the playing field for noobs CCP knows this and thus will seek to nerf the Militia Bpo's into oblivion.Problem is is they sold them to generate money for the Dev of this game as permanent items. Also I believe that CCP can not Logistically keep up with Dev'ing content for 3 games at once.One only has to read the forums to see that DUST players want content and the new content will need new skills so people will continue to buy SP boosters and benerate monies for CCP, but they cant keep up with the time line of when people will max out.you only need to run projections into computers to figure this out as far as CCP knowing this.PC stagnates yet by the time they Dev new content and add skills for that content the corps in PC will have generated massive amounts of ISK.They couldnt sell boosters at first and so they put BPO's into the packs to increase there value as a selling point.If this was there intention all along.Why sell BPOs in the first place? Makes me wonder if there is a single person at CCP who took business ethics.I had thought about buying The second decade collectors edition.Just for the Templar BPO's.At present with the statement in this thread and the possibility of you making future changes to those and all BPO's.The decision to purchase it at present without statements made official that you will not be changing the BPO's, is highly unlikely.It will also be a deciding factor as to whether I will make any future purchases as well. This is there short sighted fix to a problem they created themselves and who do they punish for there mistakes? There customers...Way to go CCP.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 24	Posted - 2013.10.21 23:45:00 - [3] - Quote Fw must NOT have Isk payouts and therefore gives players the ability to get some use out of these suits again .Instead of proto stomping noobs.With the projected changes to FW people will burn up there ISK if they continue to Proto stomp in FW.The only advantage these suits will have at that point will be there own proficiencies.New players will use Militia and buy boosters to skill but stay in the game. If you have to lock them lock them to players (IMO) then do so.All Factions have had a BPO offered, if players chose not to buy them then unfortunately that is there own fault....................You CCP do realize that those of us that bought these are actual paying customers right?That you risk loosing paying customers.......You do understand this yes?Why would a person now buy anything from you?If you go ahaead with this.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 25	Posted - 2013.10.23 01:47:00 - [4] - Quote I think this point to needs to be made as well... You changed the Valor Scout, Raven Assault, Sver Logistics so that they had to be unlocked thru there Racial trees.... SO what I think that means is 1 you sold the BPO'S as permanent items and then hit up your customers a second time with having to buy boosters so that they would have to unlock them. The point Im trying to make is this....You gave them requirements to unlock.So if someone bought all 3 and Unlocked all 3 and never had any intention of selling them.Maybe some people did that..so how much Sp is that? What did that net you in booster sales?
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 25	Posted - 2013.10.23 03:06:00 - [5] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: Why not change them into permanent plans with limited runs? Have them only function a certain number of times a week, then have them cool down until then next reset. We who bought the darn things don't want to break the game but we don't want to feel cheated either. As far a trading, if you get rid of the infinite nature of the suits by limiting the amount that can be used you cause a demand for militia grade suits and modules. It might even create an reason to own more than one copy of a BPO. My .02 isk First of all I am not trying to be argumentative.But limited uses per week is something that your intelligent mind (not sarcasm)and others such as I had mentioned in the past for a proto BPO and apparently CCP couldnt think up when they invented them for us to purchase and use......not something that is militia grade and its survivability is little. CCP is trying to take some cop out and say that they didnt realize what this would do to the player market.....(not going to curse)Which I find absolute nonsense.This is there game.They created it.All the sudden they dont know how it works?Couldnt foresee this? To CCP You already know the solution....FW pays no Isk in the future.Lock BPO's to players.People go into FW and burn up ISK gear they're gonna have to grind pubs/PC again if they drive them selves completely broke.New players will buy BPC and AUR Items.Newer players might actually buy AUR stuff to beat a Vet that they knew in the past who had proto stomped them, and now wants some pay back against the vet wearing a BPO.Vet gets pissed now he breaks out his AUR gear.... As 30 million Sp character I am ok with someone trying to do that to me.You've adjusted PC to where they cant just sit back and collect off Genolution clone sales and bank.They have to make money by attacking each other.Bulk ISK in DUST levels out in a couple months.New players actually have a chance using there starter fits against vets in FW but by this time LP boosters are on the market. CCP...I dont want to make money off your product or trade them for other product that you have created.I just want you to honor our agreement at the point of sale.That they were Permanent and here are the gears' stats.That is why I bought them.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 28	Posted - 2013.10.26 05:40:00 - [6] - Quote Im thinking its a good thing right now that SCEA sends me an email when I add money to my PSN wallet then lets me know the content I bought..... I got this other one from CCP that tells me about there Merc pack with a Permanent Dropsuit and Weapon. In CCP's defense is doesn't say anything about gifting/selling there digital content in the future to third parties though. The Argument about opening the player market and that BPO"S affect this is ridiculous .I know there are plenty of you that have Officer weps that you dont intend to use.Those are the items which youll be able to sell.As A person that bought Many merc packs I understood that I was buying duplicates but they gave us boosters and AUR and consumables. Which I have plenty of those left as well .This stupid crap Im reading about how many matches It akes to earn this much ISK is for lack of a better phrase absolute Fk8ing stupidity.Bpo's and the ISk they could potentially generate is pennies to what EVE players can make.SO this whole unbalancing the market argument is absolutely assuniying when a EVE player makes WAY more money than your Dust character. If we are talking about Full integration of the market than we are also talking about Transfering funds.289 matches? How long is that in game time?How much money could an EVE player generate in that same amount of time?You think there is too much money in DUST? That a Dust merc having a hundred million ISk In a pvp setting is a game/market breaker? LOL thats funny,thats absolutely hilarious that really is.... I can buy a PLEX in EVE and get 580 million in a couple clicks......that cost me 20 USD I have yet to make a character with one Dragonfly merc pack that has a massed that amount of ISK, and my bet is that no one has and it has never happened. Just because you can use a calculator, doesn't mean you're smart.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 28	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:23:00 - [7] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Evicer wrote: Im thinking its a good thing right now that SCEA sends me an email when I add money to my PSN wallet then lets me know the content I bought..... I got this other one from CCP that tells me about there Merc pack with a Permanent Dropsuit and Weapon. In CCP's defense is doesn't say anything about gifting/selling there digital content in the future to third parties though. The Argument about opening the player market and that BPO"S affect this is ridiculous .I know there are plenty of you that have Officer weps that you dont intend to use.Those are the items which youll be able to sell.As A person that bought Many merc packs I understood that I was buying duplicates but they gave us boosters and AUR and consumables. Which I have plenty of those left as well .This stupid crap Im reading about how many matches It akes to earn this much ISK is for lack of a better phrase absolute Fk8ing stupidity.Bpo's and the ISk they could potentially generate is pennies to what EVE players can make.SO this whole unbalancing the market argument is absolutely assuniying when a EVE player makes WAY more money than your Dust character. If we are talking about Full integration of the market than we are also talking about Transfering funds.289 matches? How long is that in game time?How much money could an EVE player generate in that same amount of time?You think there is too much money in DUST? That a Dust merc having a hundred million ISk In a pvp setting is a game/market breaker? LOL thats funny,thats absolutely hilarious that really is.... I can buy a PLEX in EVE and get 580 million in a couple clicks......that cost me 20 USD I have yet to make a character with one Dragonfly merc pack that has a massed that amount of ISK, and my bet is that no one has and it has never happened. Just because you can use a calculator, doesn't mean you're smart. I did a lot of math, but my point was that BPOs aren't such enormous ISK farms like people say, especially when you start paying ISK for them, since that cuts into your savings. Exactly what your last few lines say; you haven't amassed some huge fortune from using BPOs. Even if you buy BPOs currently with real money, you might be making 25-30% more ISK per match than other players. This is, apparently, game breaking, when it's fine to have people walking around that payed for 100% more SP. It's a non-issue, even if players transfer BPOs around without losses due to resale. STD gear is already pretty cheap. Anyone that wants to make real ISK will want to play PC, at which point BPOs aren't going to cut it. I honestly couldn't care less if someone kills me with BPOs and used that to fund a couple extra Proto suits a dozen matches later. There are way bigger problems. I agree, but some people out there say that people with BPO's can farm.Which I think is nonsense.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 28	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:06:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: If BPOs are currently not functioning as intended, what is the intended function of BPOs. I also saw a post in which a CCP representative stated they were considering not allowing the trade/sale of BPOs on the player controlled market. Not allowing the trade of BPOs is a very bad Idea. There should never be Items purchased by some, but not available to all. This rallies against the Free to Play model. It sends a very bad message to new players, and disproportionately rewards veteran players with the unrestricted ability to earn ISK which they mostly do not need anyway. Most veteran players are in PC, where they make millions of ISK per match. Those corporations which own districts also make millions perhaps billions of ISK by the sale of clones. Then they are able to turn around and play Pub matches using full BPO fittings and risk absolutely no loss. The players that could benefit the most from BPOs - the new players - will then only further fatten the wallets of the veteran players, while at the same time depleting their own because they would always be forced to risk something to play. In a game where risk vs reward is supposed to be the driving factor, not allowing the trade of BPOs after removing the ability to otherwise obtain them completely destroys this philosophy. A very strong and valid argument. On the one hand, I don't mind seeing my BPOs locked to my account as I don't have dozens of copies of each BPO as some of people do and I don't intend to sell them anyways. But on the other hand, there are many players that did stockpile them and do intend to sell them to other players for massive profit. Therefore who am I to restrict what others can do with their assets? On top of that, you make a very good point in regards to how it's a bad idea to make something purchasable by some but not available to all. no Im afraid its not I have yet to see a PC team running around in BPO suits.Nonsense.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 39	Posted - 2013.11.03 06:23:00 - [9] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Evicer wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: If BPOs are currently not functioning as intended, what is the intended function of BPOs. I also saw a post in which a CCP representative stated they were considering not allowing the trade/sale of BPOs on the player controlled market. Not allowing the trade of BPOs is a very bad Idea. There should never be Items purchased by some, but not available to all. This rallies against the Free to Play model. It sends a very bad message to new players, and disproportionately rewards veteran players with the unrestricted ability to earn ISK which they mostly do not need anyway. Most veteran players are in PC, where they make millions of ISK per match. Those corporations which own districts also make millions perhaps billions of ISK by the sale of clones. Then they are able to turn around and play Pub matches using full BPO fittings and risk absolutely no loss. The players that could benefit the most from BPOs - the new players - will then only further fatten the wallets of the veteran players, while at the same time depleting their own because they would always be forced to risk something to play. In a game where risk vs reward is supposed to be the driving factor, not allowing the trade of BPOs after removing the ability to otherwise obtain them completely destroys this philosophy. A very strong and valid argument. On the one hand, I don't mind seeing my BPOs locked to my account as I don't have dozens of copies of each BPO as some of people do and I don't intend to sell them anyways. But on the other hand, there are many players that did stockpile them and do intend to sell them to other players for massive profit. Therefore who am I to restrict what others can do with their assets? On top of that, you make a very good point in regards to how it's a bad idea to make something purchasable by some but not available to all. no Im afraid its not I have yet to see a PC team running around in BPO suits.Nonsense. Given his hypothesis as flawed as it is then praytell how are you supposed to compete against players with Millions of Isk? By using BPO's...... Lot's of PC players use their BPOs in Pubs and FW. How many times have you been killed by an "Exile" or "Toxin" AR? I see those more than Duvolles! Not to mention the BPO suits! Those same Pc corp players with millions of Isk could use militia/standard weapons.What is your point? We'll say for example player A in a pc corp has a 8.0 kdr and he uses militia in a bub match and goes 16-2..... hes still making Isk.....again what is your point?