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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.21 17:18:00 -
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Having a very productive back-and-forth with a Meee One in the Logi thread ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2635724#post2635724
Please read through and let me know if I'm missing anything.
(And please do not poop in their thread; they haven't pooped in ours.)
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
9860
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Posted - 2015.02.21 17:23:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Why does people think the IoP is terrible?
I've been using it all morning and it is truly amazing. I've only used the Militia though, and we all know how overpowered they are.
Last thing, I was wrong. The IoP is a great finisher.
It's not bad at all.
People forget that the base damage is incredibly high.
It's actually a pocket Breach AR with a higher RoF. Seriously, look at the stats. Range is crap, but who cares, I've solo'd Cal Heavies with it.
UPDATE: I now have 5 Proto Suits and 1 ADV suit.
Proto Min Scout, Assault, Commando and Proto Gal Assault, and Scout. ADV Gal Commando.
I love these races weapons and suits. Incredibly versatile between the two of them.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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Jebus McKing
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.21 18:45:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Speed: Heavy < Commando < Assault < Logi < Scout Hitpoints: Heavy > Commando > Assault > Logi > Scout
MN Assault is faster than AM Scout MN Logi is faster than AM Assault MN Sentinel is faster than AM Commando
When will this madness end?
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
2461
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Posted - 2015.02.21 18:49:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Speed: Heavy < Commando < Assault < Logi < Scout Hitpoints: Heavy > Commando > Assault > Logi > Scout MN Assault is faster than AM Scout MN Logi is faster than AM Assault MN Sentinel is faster than AM Commando When will this madness end? Seems right to me.
Our engineers are just that damn good.
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
304
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Posted - 2015.02.21 19:19:00 -
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Might get le respec soon As a nicompoop, I skilled into everything Minmatar with 6.7m SP. I also have littered SP in ScR, Swarms, and other useless things.
Recommendations? Thinking about maxing Min Scout, or at least lvl 4 Knives 5 prof 2 or 3 CR to 4 AR to 4 Logi Min to 3 Gal Ass to 1
And cores, biotics 3 (how much is it for 5) Armor and shield 3 shield extender hopefully 5, maybe 3 armor rep 3 electronics and enginneering 3 damp 5 range precision 3
may not have enough, but can drop the AR and gal ass
Killer of Grand Master Kubo by a shotgun, Gav by a BAR, and countless others
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5906
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Posted - 2015.02.21 19:39:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Why does people think the IoP is terrible?
I've been using it all morning and it is truly amazing. I've only used the Militia though, and we all know how overpowered they are.
Last thing, I was wrong. The IoP is a great finisher. Because there's other sidearms that do what you want it to much better. Up close spray? Smg's got you covered. Charge up a headshot? Bolt pistol and Scrambler do that much better without a charge or overheating, and from a much greater distance.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance
3007
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Posted - 2015.02.21 19:45:00 -
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Spademan wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Why does people think the IoP is terrible?
I've been using it all morning and it is truly amazing. I've only used the Militia though, and we all know how overpowered they are.
Last thing, I was wrong. The IoP is a great finisher. Because there's other sidearms that do what you want it to much better. Up close spray? Smg's got you covered. Charge up a headshot? Bolt pistol and Scrambler do that much better without a charge or overheating, and from a much greater distance. My favourite sidearms:
1, Flaylock Pistol 2, Ion Pistol 3, Magsec SMG 4, Bolt Pistol 5, SMG 6, Scrambler Pistol
Ion pistol is probably the easiest for me to use. It does everything the scrambler does better. Which makes me sad because I skilled into Scrambler recently to find it was terrible.
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance
3007
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Posted - 2015.02.21 19:47:00 -
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Another problem, I see Assault Rifles killing me at Rail Rifle range, Scramblers at Combat Rifle range, Rails at Assault Rifle range, and Combat Rifles at Scrambler range.
Did CCP take the Dev team away and replace them with mice?
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
7932
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Posted - 2015.02.21 21:05:00 -
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TritusX wrote:Might get le respec soon As a nicompoop, I skilled into everything Minmatar with 6.7m SP. I also have littered SP in ScR, Swarms, and other useless things.
Recommendations? Thinking about maxing Min Scout, or at least lvl 4 Knives 5 prof 2 or 3 CR to 4 AR to 4 Logi Min to 3 Gal Ass to 1
And cores, biotics 3 (how much is it for 5) Armor and shield 3 shield extender hopefully 5, maybe 3 armor rep 3 electronics and enginneering 3 damp 5 range precision 3
may not have enough, but can drop the AR and gal ass Lets start with the higher priority items.
Get your Electronics and Engineering to 5 before you even think about biotics. They are so fitting intensive that you are really hurting yourself by trying to use them without those maxed. Damps 5 as you say. I would get Precision
If Minja, Shields 4 for sure, I like mine at 5. I think I still have my armor at 4 after 2 years... I really wouldn't recommend using any plates though because until you can pair them with KinCats you'll just be hurting yourself.
Now with weaponry I don't know exactly what to tell you... CRs are great, but not taking them to 5 (which I think is a requirement to get the hipfire down with sharpshooter, something you need to double check) is important because taking sharpshooter to 3 makes a huge, massive difference in how the weapon performs.
So take that into account before diversifying your weaponry.
With such low SP, especially with scouts, it seems awfully early for diversifying your other suits. That is just a personal preference as I found it best early on to go deeper with the things that mattered most before diversifying, particularly with suits because those were more expensive.
But that all depends on what you want to do with things as well, because I still run my Minja 90 to 95% of the time, minus the Minamando for AV or sniping.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
2159
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Posted - 2015.02.21 21:35:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:mollerz wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:mollerz wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:So I bought a buncha pieces and apparently if I put them together correctly a pc is born. Wish me luck Give me some suggestions for games to look into?
fps is the comfort zone really but probably be trying out some new types while on it About to do the same- what did you get (budget)? Just for games? What kind of cooling did you go with? Star citizen isn't quite there yet, but way worth looking into. The FPS is looking way cool and it isn't even alpha. KSP isn't FPS but man- it is way fun. Not for nothin, but you should pop in our off shore B shop. I am setting up a PC build diary. pretty much this. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ztkKMpjust waiting for the last few things to be shipped. Seeing about grabbing a desk from work because this case is bloody huge, then I should be all set. Curious- Any reason for going AMD vs nvidia? I'm having a fun time figuring out the facts betwixt the fan camps myself. And no worries about the RAM/CPU voltage mismatch? Against my techie friend's recommendations, I chose an AMD FX-6200 CPU. I was under the ill-informed impression that since the next (current?) gen consoles would be using AMD CPUs, my PC would be able to handle ports better. So far it does great in most circumstances but there have been some noticeable issues that I think come down to the AMD CPU. It definitely causes problems in games with PhysX enabled and I suspect that it causes some stuttering in a few other games. I think I would recommend Nvidia as it just works out of the box better but I've had very few problems so I don't think it matters much. Disclaimer: I have only the most basic understanding of computers, so I reserve the right to be very wrong
I got a friend that does his own pc's to put the build together for me. Guess he is in the amd camp? I dunno personally why he chose it over the other. The mismatch in watts can be taken care of.
TLDR : XD
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:10:00 -
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TritusX wrote:Might get le respec soon As a nicompoop, I skilled into everything Minmatar with 6.7m SP. I also have littered SP in ScR, Swarms, and other useless things.
Recommendations? Thinking about maxing Min Scout, or at least lvl 4 Knives 5 prof 2 or 3 CR to 4 AR to 4 Logi Min to 3 Gal Ass to 1
And cores, biotics 3 (how much is it for 5) Armor and shield 3 shield extender hopefully 5, maybe 3 armor rep 3 electronics and enginneering 3 damp 5 range precision 3
may not have enough, but can drop the AR and gal ass
6.7M SP is going to be tough to work with. I'm estimating here, so check my math:
DS Command MinLight (3) MinScout(5)
DS Upgrades Cloak (1) Electronics (Min) / Dampening (5) Shields (Min) / Shield Extension (3) Systems Hacking (3)
Weaponry Light Weapons (Min) / CR Operation(3) Sidearms (Min) / Nova Knives Operation(5) Explosives (Min) / Grenadier(1), Demolitions(1)
Target Loadout (40k) DS: Scout M/1 HS: Enh Shields (x2), Bsc Shields (x1) LS: Cmp Damps PW: Std Combat Rifle SW: Pro Knives GR: Std Flux EQ: Std Cloak, Std RE
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5907
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:25:00 -
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Here's what you should be able to get with 6.7m sp based on your wishes.
Minmatar Scout level 5(+prerequisites)
Armour Upgrades+Repair level 3 Shield Upgrades, Extension level 5 Core level 5 Electronics+Engineering level 3 Dampening+Range amp level 3
Combat Rifle level 3 Nova Knives level 3
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
304
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:15:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:TritusX wrote:Might get le respec soon As a nicompoop, I skilled into everything Minmatar with 6.7m SP. I also have littered SP in ScR, Swarms, and other useless things.
Recommendations? Thinking about maxing Min Scout, or at least lvl 4 Knives 5 prof 2 or 3 CR to 4 AR to 4 Logi Min to 3 Gal Ass to 1
And cores, biotics 3 (how much is it for 5) Armor and shield 3 shield extender hopefully 5, maybe 3 armor rep 3 electronics and enginneering 3 damp 5 range precision 3
may not have enough, but can drop the AR and gal ass 6.7M SP is going to be tough to work with. I'm estimating here, so check my math: DS CommandMinLight (3) MinScout(5) DS UpgradesCloak (1) Electronics (Min) / Dampening (5) Shields (Min) / Shield Extension (3) WeaponryLight Weapons (Min) / CR Operation (3) Sidearms (Min) / Nova Knives Operation (5) Explosives (Min) / Grenadier (1), Demolitions(1) Target Loadout (40k)DS: Scout M/1 HS: Enh Shields (x2), Bsc Shields (x1) LS: Cmp Damps PW: Std Combat Rifle SW: Pro Knives GR: Std Flux EQ: Std Cloak, Std RE NotesYou definitely don't want your SP spreadout over multiple suits and guns yet. You've a semi-functional "grinding" suit above, so now all your spare and earned SP should be going into Core Shields, Core Armor, Electronics, Engineering, Hacking, EWAR, KinCats. These are your "Core Upgrades" and they should all be level 5 before you branch out into other suits and weaponry. Before you start your next gun or suit, you'll also want a minimum of level (3) in CR ammo, sharpshooter, proficiency and reload as well as proficiency (3) in Nova Knives. This essentially is what I have now minus some cores. Also, I tend to die a lot. And because of that, a 40k loadout isn't what I'm aiming for sadly. I tend to die 10+ times.
So at this point, I think I'm going to max Min Scout, and do what you have. Maybe get cloak to 3 because the timer on the regular one is ridiculous.
Killer of Grand Master Kubo by a shotgun, Gav by a BAR, and countless others
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6825
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:24:00 -
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TritusX wrote:This essentially is what I have now minus some cores. Also, I tend to die a lot. And because of that, a 40k loadout isn't what I'm aiming for sadly. I tend to die 10+ times. So at this point, I think I'm going to max Min Scout, and do what you have. Maybe get cloak to 3 because the timer on the regular one is ridiculous. EDIT: With what you have there, it's around 9 million So I'll put 3 into electronics and engineering to bring it to 6.9m which I can probably earn by the time I buy the respec
Target Loadout (20k) DS: Scout M-1 HS: Bsc Shields (x2) LS: Cmp Damps (x2) PW: Std Combat Rifle SW: Adv Knives GR: [Empty] EQ: Std Cloak, Std RE
^ Try this then. And try not to die so much!
PS: I don't think you're going to be able to fit an Advanced Cloak without seriously gimping an M-1.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5910
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:25:00 -
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Question: Are you sure you want/need the respec? What precisely would you be gaining?
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
7935
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:29:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Question: Are you sure you want/need the respec? What precisely would you be gaining? Good question.
He might be able to make up some SP just by getting a few boosters at a little lower cost.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6825
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:44:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Spademan wrote:Question: Are you sure you want/need the respec? What precisely would you be gaining? Good question. He might be able to make up some SP just by getting a few boosters at a little lower cost.
Excellent points. Tritus, if you're intent on dying alot and looking to save Isk, your $20 might be better spent on Merc Pack. You stand to save a ton of Isk with the BPOs, but you'd have to skill Gallente instead of Minmatar. SG/SMG and CR/NK are similar playstyles, and you can always cross-train down the road.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:57:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Spademan wrote:Question: Are you sure you want/need the respec? What precisely would you be gaining? Good question. He might be able to make up some SP just by getting a few boosters at a little lower cost. Excellent points. Tritus, if you're intent on dying alot and looking to save Isk, your $20 might be better spent on Merc Pack. You stand to save a ton of Isk with the BPOs, but you'd have to skill Gallente instead of Minmatar. SG/SMG and CR/NK are similar playstyles, and you can always cross-train down the road. Agreed. A Merc Pack sounds like a better long term investment, especially with your relatively low SP allotment.
At the very least, if you end up with BPOs you don't particularly care for, you could potentially trade them in the future for ones that would be of greater benefit.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
1809
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Posted - 2015.02.22 02:14:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote: Ion pistol does everything the scrambler does better. Which makes me sad because I skilled into Scrambler recently to find it was terrible.
[heavy breathing]
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6827
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Posted - 2015.02.22 02:40:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote: Ion pistol does everything the scrambler does better. Which makes me sad because I skilled into Scrambler recently to find it was terrible.
[heavy breathing]
I'm convinced that Raven is here only to troll us.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:17:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote: Ion pistol does everything the scrambler does better. Which makes me sad because I skilled into Scrambler recently to find it was terrible.
[heavy breathing] I'm convinced that Raven is here only to troll us. I would agree. I have Ion maxed everything and the ScP is by far a better pistol and all i have with it is pro 1. It is no contest. Only Amarr weapon I have and only reason I skilled it was to pretend it was the Ion pistol since to me the Ion mechanic is more in line with Amarr. I would not care if the Ion could not shoot past 15m if it could at least hit a target at 15m and reliably fire when I need it to instead of locking up in charge mode or just not shooting at all out of cloak. I vote it the biggest POS weapon in the game. poor range bad dispersion poor dmg out side of charge but yeah i want a delay after 1 shot SMG, Bolt, or ScP my top 3
If I was not saving my money for PS2 I would respec out of it and not think twice.
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LeGoose
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
845
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:21:00 -
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Hey guys, I can log in and post again! Wish I could have contributed more to the ion pistol convo. I do think it is a great weapon for those cqc fights. It might not be a PC capable weapon but it certainly does some work in pubs. Give it a second chance Shotty.
Click it! I dare you...
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
1810
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:22:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote: Ion pistol does everything the scrambler does better. Which makes me sad because I skilled into Scrambler recently to find it was terrible.
[heavy breathing] I'm convinced that Raven is here only to troll us. Why are we still here... just to suffer?
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:24:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote: Ion pistol does everything the scrambler does better. Which makes me sad because I skilled into Scrambler recently to find it was terrible.
[heavy breathing] I'm convinced that Raven is here only to troll us. Not at all. ADV in ScP: 2 kills Nothing in IoP: 13 kills
I began using ScP two weeks ago, and IoP last night.
EDIT: ScP used to be great in the closed beta... I miss that.
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
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LeGoose
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
845
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:44:00 -
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Side notes. I now have every side arm but the SMG at least to prof 2. I only have op 1 and sharp shooter 1 in SMG and don't plan on adding to it at all.
Also Tritrus what is your timezone and are you in the Scouts united chat channel in the game? If not, you should be. Gives us a chance to squad with you and possibly give pointers.
Click it! I dare you...
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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:08:00 -
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You are going to have to take me off the list, my scouting days are over. There was good years under that suit, the speed is phenomenal, you feel like Spiderman with a SG or a Sniper, it's a rush, but I just can't cut the scout anymore. I must hang up my suit, and trade for a heavier role. It's been good.
~
Seeker of the Quafe
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6830
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:33:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:You are going to have to take me off the list, my scouting days are over. There was good years under that suit, the speed is phenomenal, you feel like Spiderman with a SG or a Sniper, it's a rush, but I just can't cut the scout anymore. I must hang up my suit, and trade for a heavier role. It's been good. The front page is fixed, and you're stuck on it :-) It is a testament to a time past.
What are you running these days, Vahzz?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:VAHZZ wrote:You are going to have to take me off the list, my scouting days are over. There was good years under that suit, the speed is phenomenal, you feel like Spiderman with a SG or a Sniper, it's a rush, but I just can't cut the scout anymore. I must hang up my suit, and trade for a heavier role. It's been good. The front page is fixed, and you're stuck on it :-) It is a testament to a time past. What are you running these days, Vahzz?
Well, that is touching.
And I don't know what I'm running yet, getting a respec and plan as I go.
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Seeker of the Quafe
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6830
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:40:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote: And I don't know what I'm running yet, getting a respec and plan as I go.
Highly recommend MN Assault. Best Scout available. GA Assault is another good option.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Bayeth Mal
Nos Nothi
2381
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:53:00 -
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Encountered Min Assault running knives. All shields in highs, no need to evade, just head on rushed enemies and succeeded. I felt sick.
It's uprising again.
I thought we were trying to get away from the nerf buff cycle? Rattai is just repeating past mistakes but putting a prettier bow on it and so we're all convincing ourselves this is so much better.
What have we actually got as a success since FF? I'm forgetting.
We're coming up on a year since FF and I don't see the difference.
We'll bang, OK?
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