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Cross Atu wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Cass Caul wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Cass Caul wrote:

Ghost, what do you think of the native armor reps on the Min Scout? 1hp/s
It's in the F&I.D. section of the forums

Thought it was 1.5 on the Minja?

Check the spreadsheet. All the numbers got reduced. They might have even changed again. I don't know.
All I know is, logistics have more reps than Assaults which is stupid, Amarr and Min are equal, and Gallente only has a 0.5 bonus over the other races now.

So i seeGÇª
Wonder what the logic is behind Logi higher than AssaultGÇª seems to me that they should be reversed What?

Cross
Get in here and explain me this Big smile

I'm not sure what the specific reason(s) for the alteration in the spreadsheet were, nor while the Min/Amarr needed to be combined.

That being said the logic on both Logi and Commando is to make them the regen side of the eHP coin within their frame size while the Sent/Ass are the buffer side. The less directly identical they roles are the more each can be honed, and since the Assaults just got a buff to raw tank...

The notion that the Assault should have more eHP (not talking HP, but eHP) than the Logi is in my view untenable when it comes to role balance. The medium frames need equivalent eHP attained in different ways.

Back to the sheet, unless/until I'm shown some metrics which contradict this I am of a mind that the Gal suits should have a wider margin on native reps, the current advantage they have seems inadequate to me. Having said that there was some buzz about looking at a module efficiency stat for suits so if that is happening the dynamic changes completely and my current assessments go right out the window.

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Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3462	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:37:00 - [24031] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: @ Llast I think they are, but not as much as Logis. Hence the 1/2 of Logi/Assault. I could be wrong though, it is only a theory. Pretty accurate as a summation. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3466	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:40:00 - [24032] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: And wouldn't you know, Goose and I jump into a match to try out our new Quaffe suits, and we get... Manus Peak. With the dark setting. Needless to say, we ended up switching gear quickly. Went 7/5 on Manus Peak in my cloakless Quafeja last night with my MLT NK and CR (CR accounted for 3 of those kills) running ambush. Playing in a Quafe scout is like listening to the theme song of 'die another day' backwards See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4994	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:45:00 - [24033] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Ghost, what do you think of the native armor reps on the Min Scout? 1hp/s It's in the F&I.D. section of the forums Thought it was 1.5 on the Minja? Check the spreadsheet. All the numbers got reduced. They might have even changed again. I don't know. All I know is, logistics have more reps than Assaults which is stupid, Amarr and Min are equal, and Gallente only has a 0.5 bonus over the other races now. So i seeGÇª Wonder what the logic is behind Logi higher than AssaultGÇª seems to me that they should be reversed Cross Get in here and explain me this I'm not sure what the specific reason(s) for the alteration in the spreadsheet were, nor while the Min/Amarr needed to be combined. That being said the logic on both Logi and Commando is to make them the regen side of the eHP coin within their frame size while the Sent/Ass are the buffer side. The less directly identical they roles are the more each can be honed, and since the Assaults just got a buff to raw tank... The notion that the Assault should have more eHP (not talking HP, but eHP) than the Logi is in my view untenable when it comes to role balance. The medium frames need equivalent eHP attained in different ways. Back to the sheet, unless/until I'm shown some metrics which contradict this I am of a mind that the Gal suits should have a wider margin on native reps, the current advantage they have seems inadequate to me. Having said that there was some buzz about looking at a module efficiency stat for suits so if that is happening the dynamic changes completely and my current assessments go right out the window. I have to say I have yet to find one of your responses to be lacking or hard to understand This makes sense to me as you have explained. Now do you see this as a move back towards Slayer Logi, or has the Assault buff made that less viable as an option? KRRROOOOOOM
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3468	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:56:00 - [24034] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: I have to say I have yet to find one of your responses to be lacking or hard to understand This makes sense to me as you have explained. Now do you see this as a move back towards Slayer Logi, or has the Assault buff made that less viable as an option? Slayer logi was largely a function of three things (well maybe four) 1. The Cal Logi extender bonus 2. The -then vastly more contextually potent - role rep bouns 3. The wider fittings slots allowing for non-support logi to really brick tank hard 4. (?) Community hysteria 1. is gone 2. Is both gone and less significant (native reps now on all suits, rep mods now rep at higher rates) 3. Heavily mitigated by the change in Assault slots 4. Not going anywhere so should be discounted Currently the Logi (when run as support primary) can't really compare with the Assault. The Assault may still need some polish on their racial bonuses and that's being looked into but with the higher native HP and essentially equal fitting capacities (high/low) there's not much risk of Logi being better slayers than the Assault. Assaults gain fittings buffs to their full rack of weapons, they gain racial buffs which make those weapons better (or should, like I say that's being looked at) and they gain more per level value from HP skills due to their higher base stats. Is there a move towards making Logi more combat viable than they are now? Absolutely. Will that move eclipse the Assault (or is it intended to) not at all. I'm sure we will still see people who have proto logi suits running them for combat focus, even if we don't change anything that will likely happen as not everyone has unlocked multiple proto suits, but when it comes to optimal the Assault should outshine the Logi at killing when the dust settles. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4162	Posted - 2014.10.24 22:28:00 - [24035] - Quote Question: When will Quafe Commandos be available? I want to be fab when I jab. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4995	Posted - 2014.10.24 22:35:00 - [24036] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Shotty troll the pilots users again....... I can only imagine that's why? What did mollerz do? You know i question why one can't discuss moderationGÇª seems so fascist and counter to discourse. Honestly I really wonder why this is the policy. KRRROOOOOOM
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3469	Posted - 2014.10.24 22:38:00 - [24037] - Quote Spademan wrote: Question: When will Quafe Commandos be available? I want to be fab when I jab. SoonTM Sorry, couldn't help myself. Honestly I do not know for sure but I would expect them to arrive and if they aren't currently planned I wish encourage them to be added to the plan. Something that purple needs to be available to all races and roles, it simply *must*. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3470	Posted - 2014.10.24 22:39:00 - [24038] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Shotty troll the pilots users again....... I can only imagine that's why? What did mollerz do? You know i question why one can't discuss moderationGÇª seems so fascist and counter to discourse. Honestly I really wonder why this is the policy. It's my impression (if we are talking forum admin moderation) that it is due to the personal information laws of some nations. I could be mistaken but that's the take I've gathered thus far. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4163	Posted - 2014.10.24 22:46:00 - [24039] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Llast 326 wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Shotty troll the pilots users again....... I can only imagine that's why? What did mollerz do? You know i question why one can't discuss moderationGÇª seems so fascist and counter to discourse. Honestly I really wonder why this is the policy. It's my impression (if we are talking forum admin moderation) that it is due to the personal information laws of some nations. I could be mistaken but that's the take I've gathered thus far. Part of this I believe. If my knowledge of Irish law is up to snuff, discussing a topic which is agreed to by both parties as being private (which I'm sure you do somewhere in the fine print) with people uninvolved is illegal. It's only really enforceable through written documents and the like. But then again, Irish law also states that if you carry your sword with you into college exams then you are entitled to a glass of wine. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4995	Posted - 2014.10.24 22:55:00 - [24040] - Quote Spademan wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Llast 326 wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Shotty troll the pilots users again....... I can only imagine that's why? What did mollerz do? You know i question why one can't discuss moderationGÇª seems so fascist and counter to discourse. Honestly I really wonder why this is the policy. It's my impression (if we are talking forum admin moderation) that it is due to the personal information laws of some nations. I could be mistaken but that's the take I've gathered thus far. Part of this I believe. If my knowledge of Irish law is up to snuff, discussing a topic which is agreed to by both parties as being private (which I'm sure you do somewhere in the fine print) with people uninvolved is illegal. It's only really enforceable through written documents and the like. But then again, Irish law also states that if you carry your sword with you into college exams then you are entitled to a glass of wine. Well I agree with one of those lawsGÇª Pretty sure you guys know which one KRRROOOOOOM

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4998	Posted - 2014.10.24 22:59:00 - [24041] - Quote Spademan wrote: Question: When will Quafe Commandos be available? I want to be fab when I jab. Thank you for reminding me of what I want to do with my SP that is just sitting there. Also, can you wear a GoPro while bringing a sword to a test? I must see how this plays out. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4163	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:02:00 - [24042] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Well I agree with one of those lawsGÇª Pretty sure you guys know which one There's a lot of little gems like that. Or at least, was. A bunch got slashed in '06. Like the one that banned a person of an "evil disposition" from using anything but coffee beans in their coffee. And the one that prevented traders from putting sheep dung into coffee. One that's still in place allows any constable to inspect "suspicious looking potatoes" I wish that was a joke. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4998	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:05:00 - [24043] - Quote Spademan wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Well I agree with one of those lawsGÇª Pretty sure you guys know which one There's a lot of little gems like that. Or at least, was. A bunch got slashed in '06. Like the one that banned a person of an "evil disposition" from using anything but coffee beans in their coffee. And the one that prevented traders from putting sheep dung into coffee. One that's still in place allows any constable to inspect "suspicious looking potatoes" I wish that was a joke. You should dress up a potato in a mini trench coat and glasses to see what happens. I am sure Mr. Potato Head has something that will suit the purpose. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Legoose MARKII Nos Nothi 179	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:09:00 - [24044] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Also WTF ScR changesGÇª What are they changing with the ScR? Who is LeGoose anyway?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4996	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:19:00 - [24045] - Quote Legoose MARKII wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Also WTF ScR changesGÇª What are they changing with the ScR? CCP Rattati wrote: Assault Scrambler Rifle accuracy increased via min and max Dispersion Assault Scrambler Heat cost reduced Scrambler Rifle Heat cost reduced All Scramblers Seize time reduced KRRROOOOOOM
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5000	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:23:00 - [24046] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Legoose MARKII wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Also WTF ScR changesGÇª What are they changing with the ScR? CCP Rattati wrote: Assault Scrambler Rifle accuracy increased via min and max Dispersion Assault Scrambler Heat cost reduced Scrambler Rifle Heat cost reduced All Scramblers Seize time reduced I have heard rumor they were less viable after the recent changes that were made. So they are probably trying to find that sweet spot. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4996	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:26:00 - [24047] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Llast 326 wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Shotty troll the pilots users again....... I can only imagine that's why? What did mollerz do? You know i question why one can't discuss moderationGÇª seems so fascist and counter to discourse. Honestly I really wonder why this is the policy. It's my impression (if we are talking forum admin moderation) that it is due to the personal information laws of some nations. I could be mistaken but that's the take I've gathered thus far. Okay i can see thatGÇª But is does end up protecting those "holding power" more so than those who are being modded against. Particularly if moderation is not being handled equally across the board, nothing protects those that were moderated as they are not even able to discuss the moderation with others to compare for fairness or equality. KRRROOOOOOM
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4999	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:31:00 - [24048] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Legoose MARKII wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Also WTF ScR changesGÇª What are they changing with the ScR? CCP Rattati wrote: Assault Scrambler Rifle accuracy increased via min and max Dispersion Assault Scrambler Heat cost reduced Scrambler Rifle Heat cost reduced All Scramblers Seize time reduced I have heard rumor they were less viable after the recent changes that were made. So they are probably trying to find that sweet spot. I read some QQ about that, but had not tried it out since the changes. Really that thing was beastly beforeGÇª i could go 46 kills in a match with it without the Amarr Assault bonusGÇª chewing up Amarr Heavies and any suits reallyGÇª that is not me having Gun Game as anybody who has seen me in action will attest KRRROOOOOOM
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3472	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:34:00 - [24049] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Llast 326 wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Shotty troll the pilots users again....... I can only imagine that's why? What did mollerz do? You know i question why one can't discuss moderationGÇª seems so fascist and counter to discourse. Honestly I really wonder why this is the policy. It's my impression (if we are talking forum admin moderation) that it is due to the personal information laws of some nations. I could be mistaken but that's the take I've gathered thus far. Part of this I believe. If my knowledge of Irish law is up to snuff, discussing a topic which is agreed to by both parties as being private (which I'm sure you do somewhere in the fine print) with people uninvolved is illegal. It's only really enforceable through written documents and the like. But then again, Irish law also states that if you carry your sword with you into college exams then you are entitled to a glass of wine. Well I agree with one of those lawsGÇª Pretty sure you guys know which one Same one as I do? See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4166	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:37:00 - [24050] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Same one as I do? Here's the real kicker (last one I swear) Up until 1968, the penalty for suicide was death by hanging. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3472	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:38:00 - [24051] - Quote Spademan wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Same one as I do? Here's the real kicker (last one I swear) Up until 1968, the penalty for suicide was death by hanging. That settles it, I'm moving! See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5000	Posted - 2014.10.24 23:39:00 - [24052] - Quote Also, since Cross is here too, would giving Logis 2 Grenade slots be of any benefit? With grenade spam being so low, I was wondering if this would be a good way to give some suits a buff without it being too big an issue. It would be nice on the Commando as an alternative, what with putting some fluxes and AV nades on there, would there be any significant problems? You can always tell a Millford Minja
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3478	Posted - 2014.10.25 00:16:00 - [24053] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Also, since Cross is here too, would giving Logis 2 Grenade slots be of any benefit? With grenade spam being so low, I was wondering if this would be a good way to give some suits a buff without it being too big an issue. It would be nice on the Commando as an alternative, what with putting some fluxes and AV nades on there, would there be any significant problems? I'm not sure most nades are significant enough at this point to be a significant problem Kidding aside I'd lean more towards giving those to the Commando than the Logi. I am all for Logi being combat zone viable, but I'm trying to avoid getting them there by means that make them more combative if that makes sense but then they'd be losing one of their unique constraints. I'm not opposed to the basic concept, but I'm also not sure where it would fit considering role specialization. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4168	Posted - 2014.10.25 00:20:00 - [24054] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Also, since Cross is here too, would giving Logis 2 Grenade slots be of any benefit? With grenade spam being so low, I was wondering if this would be a good way to give some suits a buff without it being too big an issue. It would be nice on the Commando as an alternative, what with putting some fluxes and AV nades on there, would there be any significant problems? I'm not sure most nades are significant enough at this point to be a significant problem Kidding aside I'd lean more towards giving those to the Commando than the Logi. I am all for Logi being combat zone viable, but I'm trying to avoid getting them there by means that make them more combative if that makes sense but then they'd be losing one of their unique constraints. I'm not opposed to the basic concept, but I'm also not sure where it would fit considering role specialization. Make grenades like, the reverse of equipment. Give assaults 4. Problem=Solved? (Granted, it had nothing to do with the problem you were trying to solve, and in fact made your problem worse. But nevertheless, a day with one less problem is a better day) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Cass Caul 1311	Posted - 2014.10.25 01:23:00 - [24055] - Quote Spademan wrote: Irish law also states that if you carry your sword with you into college exams then you are entitled to a glass of wine. I need to go back to school. In Ireland. Just for this it will be worth it. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5002	Posted - 2014.10.25 01:25:00 - [24056] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Spademan wrote: Irish law also states that if you carry your sword with you into college exams then you are entitled to a glass of wine. I need to go back to school. In Ireland. Just for this it will be worth it. Plus you would be among your easily sun burnt breatheren. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3481	Posted - 2014.10.25 02:36:00 - [24057] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Llast 326 wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Shotty troll the pilots users again....... I can only imagine that's why? What did mollerz do? You know i question why one can't discuss moderationGÇª seems so fascist and counter to discourse. Honestly I really wonder why this is the policy. It's my impression (if we are talking forum admin moderation) that it is due to the personal information laws of some nations. I could be mistaken but that's the take I've gathered thus far. Okay i can see thatGÇª But is does end up protecting those "holding power" more so than those who are being modded against. Particularly if moderation is not being handled equally across the board, nothing protects those that were moderated as they are not even able to discuss the moderation with others to compare for fairness or equality. Oh I am almost certain that such polices are generally to shield the larger entities be the NGO or Gov (in this case NGO Corp) than they are the individual. After all essentially all privacy protections extended to the individual can be dismissed with the a proper warrant, or increasingly (in places like the US for example) without a warrant of any kind. My statement was in no way a value assessment of the practice, much less an endorsement, it was simply as close to a factual observation as I was able to make with the limited information I have on hand. Nothing more, nothing less. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cass Caul 1313	Posted - 2014.10.25 05:47:00 - [24058] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Spademan wrote: Irish law also states that if you carry your sword with you into college exams then you are entitled to a glass of wine. I need to go back to school. In Ireland. Just for this it will be worth it. Plus you would be among your easily sun burnt breatheren. Too true. ~~Actually I have a friend here~~ One of my friends back in Chicago has a similar problem, only she is worse. It's always nice to have friends that wear sweatshirts or long sleeves in the summer with. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5000	Posted - 2014.10.25 05:48:00 - [24059] - Quote WellGÇª Have not played dust in about a monthGÇª First matchGÇª aside from emptying my grenades in spastic noob button issues XD it went well enough though I disconnected about 2/5 of the way through the matchGÇª sad because I had Knifed somebody a few times in my Quafilicious Min suitGÇª And I know they don't like the scouts. Second match Stayed connected \o/ went 17/11 not to shabby for only less than 250 hp Squad of ML on the red sideGÇª no recognizable corps on mine :( My Blueberries pulled it off though down to the wire I must have Hacked and Slashed my way through the match pretty fiercely because i ended up with over 1700wp and had no uplinks or EQ outGÇª that's a few hacks KRRROOOOOOM
Haerr Clone Manque 1680	Posted - 2014.10.25 11:46:00 - [24060] - Quote Too many new pages, skipping ahead from now on. Any news on 1.9? Or Hotfix Echo? Dev post seems to be about "balancing hotfix"... did they stop labeling them for some reason? Haerr's huge list of wish for 1.9 - 1.10: Fix mouse support.



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