Have to address this, but as scouts we do just fine we complain about we need this fix, that needs a buff etc. in all honesty we really don't need it as long as we got are core upgrades up like our shields or engineering. really when i see a scout go 25/5 i see no problem with the scout really and you shottys say hit detection is bad (i know its bad) but is bad enough your going 2.0 KDR a game. yesterday i was in a match using NKs and went 10/1. i go positive 70% of my games whether im using my basic or proto gear. i know we need some love but is it that bad we write essays to CCP about why we need it. i i want them to do is fix the passive Damp and Precision and gives us a base range of 30m then im good to go causes 10m is like some standing right in front of me. that is all to all scouts remember we pick Hardcore mode. Also look at what we can do over other suits we can jump over a god damn wall. Love all you scouts and ill never switch to a different suit no matter what

Listen up scouts! I am putting a bounty on my head of 100k isk. Rules are: You must be in a Scout suit. Use shotgun, knives, remotes, melee, sniper, pistol, orbital or smg. When you kill me message me that you would like to collect your bounty. In a match, if you kill me once you'll get your 100k, subsequent kills will be rewarded with 25k. This will go on until 1.4 hits. You must be registered in here or be in the Scouts United channel to participate. I'll be in Skirmish with my corp or solo.

If you see this message, pass it on to other hunters. Happy hunting!...my wallet is going to hurt, I see what ya'll do on the field, it's ugly.

@ Nyra: I agree on the point about the core skills. But you have probably to differentiate between public games and PC. I didn-¦t even tried to get into a PC battle with this char.

Had to post this up here http://youtu.be/5h4AGpO8q-w
Without the scout this wouldn't have happened. remotes montage.
Just up to adv gal, but I enjoy it so much more than my proto cal logi alt.

Pub matches are not a good indication of the state of balancing or scout suits. It's easy to kill random blue dot newberries 25 times and die on a handful even in militia scout gear but you try competing against people who actually know how to play and you're screwed.

Also, if it's only working when specced up to the hilt, it's not working. No other suit has to get all their core skills maxed before they're competitive.

I have every core skill up maxed except for engineering (which is at lvl 4 but I don't really need) and when there are good players on the enemy side, I seriously struggle. Scout KDs have plummeted this build and my own has dropped from nearly 2 to 1.25. There clearly is something that needs addressing with scout suits.

Yes, the scanning fix may help us a bit and passive scanning range definitely needs improvement to make it significant. We need an extra slot at ADV and PRO and/or more CPU/PG (just a little, maybe 15%). I'm not as bothered about the extra equipment slot many request but having the variety of the old type 2s would be good - maybe we'll see this with a new light suit type in future?

Never said they have to be max out i only got my engineering at lvl 3 and electronics at lvl 2 i do have may armor an shields max out but really with the low Hp its noting. also i include PC man i may not do as good as in Pubs but i still compete with them. also if you struggle that's your problem and should probably change your play style. i adapt if i cant get them this way try anther way. i can see if your whole team is getting stomp then yeah you can't do any thing but when both teams a fairly even it shouldn't be a problem. its really all about your plan of attack

My struggling is nothing to do with my play style - it's to do with not being able to fit the useful things I actually need for my suit. You claim we don't have a problem with scout suits and that all our threads are unnecessary essays but have you actually read those threads? We have less CPU/PG per slot, our speed is basically meaningless when it comes to avoiding fire, even at range and our hit boxes lag way behind our movement, so we can't even get behind cover quickly - these are significant problems that need addressing.

My struggling is nothing to do with my play style - it's to do with not being able to fit the useful things I actually need for my suit. You claim we don't have a problem with scout suits and that all our threads are unnecessary essays but have you actually read those threads? We have less CPU/PG per slot, our speed is basically meaningless when it comes to avoiding fire, even at range and our hit boxes lag way behind our movement, so we can't even get behind cover quickly - these are significant problems that need addressing.

Had to post this up here http://youtu.be/5h4AGpO8q-w
Without the scout this wouldn't have happened. remotes montage.
Just up to adv gal, but I enjoy it so much more than my proto cal logi alt.

On another note, it makes me chuckle a little that I've completely ignored all the things that seem to be pretty problematic for most scouts. But I also prefer other stuff to what seems to be standard scout gear too...

Things I don't use:
Shotgun
Nova Knife
Remote Explosives
Kinetic Catalysers
Cardiac Regulators
Profile Dampeners
Range Enhancers

I may be one of the most unusual scouts (or even players) around...

Had to post this up here http://youtu.be/5h4AGpO8q-w
Without the scout this wouldn't have happened. remotes montage.
Just up to adv gal, but I enjoy it so much more than my proto cal logi alt.

Had to post this up here http://youtu.be/5h4AGpO8q-w
Without the scout this wouldn't have happened. remotes montage.
Just up to adv gal, but I enjoy it so much more than my proto cal logi alt.

Had to post this up here http://youtu.be/5h4AGpO8q-w
Without the scout this wouldn't have happened. remotes montage.
Just up to adv gal, but I enjoy it so much more than my proto cal logi alt.

This is great going to start doing this now

You definitely should, its so satisfying to lead a Protobear into an instant death.

Most of my REs fizzle out most of the time when I really need them though.

I know you love your pistols ... what else?

I've gotten away from my shotty a bit recently (it's so unreliable). Been testing out Bojo's GB-9 (which is a CQC destroyer) and my scrambler pistols, which I am having a lot of fun with...

Real men use them to destroy dropships as they swoop down.

Dude, totally working on it. I've had one chance to do it so far, and he barely recovered in his assault dropship. But I'm trying lol.

and many thanks everyone else.

Have to address this, but as scouts we do just fine we complain about we need this fix, that needs a buff etc. in all honesty we really don't need it as long as we got are core upgrades up like our shields or engineering. really when i see a scout go 25/5 i see no problem with the scout really and you shottys say hit detection is bad (i know its bad) but is bad enough your going 2.0 KDR a game. yesterday i was in a match using NKs and went 10/1. i go positive 70% of my games whether im using my basic or proto gear. i know we need some love but is it that bad we write essays to CCP about why we need it. i i want them to do is fix the passive Damp and Precision and gives us a base range of 30m then im good to go causes 10m is like some standing right in front of me. that is all to all scouts remember we pick Hardcore mode. Also look at what we can do over other suits we can jump over a god damn wall. Love all you scouts and ill never switch to a different suit no matter what

you can get 32.63m range with 1 proto range mod with lvl 5 range and lvl 5 gallente scout.

30m base? WOW
that would allow you to get 298m with 4 complex range. gallente scout Snipers would be loving it except for those lvl 5 scouts with lvl 5 dampening because that will get you below the 31 precision without using any mods that the gallente scout can get max with 1 proto precision. all other classes will need to use no less than 2 dampening mods just to get below the 31 scan profile. don't see them giving up armor and or green/red pill for dampening.

dampening and precision works the problem is shared vision and line of sight makes it useless. tac-net/scanner changes will fix this.

298m range? WTF? How have you possibly found that number? They don't stack exponentially you know. Please explain your calculations.

nyra wants 30m base range for scout.
That is what would be possible with the 30m base.

base x basic skill x suit bonus x mod x mod x mod x mod =

I have tested in game at lvl 3 range and lvl 3 gallente scout with 4 advanced range
that is also the formula used in Dust 514 Fitting Tool Created by hydraSlav

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/08/community-spotlight-dust-fitting-tool/

By your reckoning you're currently getting nearly 100m passive scan range then?

I'm pretty sure that the mods don't multiply each other but as the calculations aren't officially listed by CCP, we'll just have to take your word for it, I guess.

I am at 56m with 4 advanced range. 99m is top with lvl5 range, lvl5 gallente scout, and 4 complex range