Oh god they buffed grenades.

I fail to see how RoF bonus to gal assault will help....it already has a HORRENDOUS kick (I have gal assault 5) when holding fire button. Cal assault bonus may help, m+¬l+¬e damage to tanks....HTFU and deploy hot fix foxfour CCP

Why the heck are you holding the fire button?! The kick only activates after a second or two and by then you should have quickly released the trigger and push it again.

Well, not sure i love a few things in that hotfix.

Specifically, I want my Min Commando SP back and put into Cal Commando. Although i wonder how good swarms will be with AV with that range nerf. I anticipate ADS's becoming nasty again potentially. I also noticed scouts got hit a bit and logi's/assualts got some buffs on shields.

I'm mostly worried about those advanced locus grenades. I bet we'll see a lot more grenade spam with the amount nanohives can give you these days.

Edit: ROF bonus on gal assault... shudders... i worry.

Oh god...we agree upon something.....Now i got to go cleanse myself.

I'm still not sure about that breach SG... anyone know the base damage on that thing? Will it be usable?

Bro, you got a buff so that your mass drivers are 100% efficient against vehicles. I fail to see how you wouldn't like that.

Gut instinct feels like a nerf. Hard to imagine getting any vehicle kills with an MD. Especially against drop ships. That said the breach does over 500 damage direct so who knows. But without any math it feels like the MD would probably be as useful against vehicles as the AHMG is. Which it isn't.

Bro, you got a buff so that your mass drivers are 100% efficient against vehicles. I fail to see how you wouldn't like that.

Seriously? I skilled into min commando for ONE thing, swarm AV, not for freaking mass drivers! I doubt MD's will be very useful as AV in all truth even if I wanted to run MD's, which I don't.

There goes what? 3million SP down the drain.

Respec or die, it's the way of dust.

FTFY

I'm still not sure about that breach SG... anyone know the base damage on that thing? Will it be usable?

Think it's +20% damage and -30% RoF when compared to the Vanilla Shotgun. CRG-3 base is 42. KR-17 is 50.4. IIRC our last experiment correctly, the CRG-3 aimed center mass hits for an average of 450 shield dmg at 4.9m.

CRG-3: Effect of Pellet Loss (within 5m)
12/12 - 637 dmg
11/12 - 584 dmg
10/12 - 531 dmg
09/12 - 478 dmg
08/12 - 425 dmg

We'd concluded that inside of 5m, 8-9 out of 12 pellets hit target when vanilla shotgun was aimed center mass. Breach will behave a tad differently. The tighter spread potentially means less pellet loss within optimal range.

KR-17: Effect of Pellet Loss (within 5m)
12/12 - 765 dmg
11/12 - 701 dmg
10/12 - 637 dmg
09/12 - 573 dmg
08/12 - 510 dmg

* Calculations account for hybrid profile (+10% damage vs shields) and assume pro(5) operator (+15% shield dmg). Calculations do not include damage amps or account for warbarge bonus.

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Oversimplified Rule of Thumb:
Hits for about 100 more damage per blast and deals damage more reliably at range.

Personal Expectation:
The new breach will make for a decent gun, unless you're blasting an armor tanker.

Seriously? I skilled into min commando for ONE thing, swarm AV, not for freaking mass drivers! I doubt MD's will be very useful as AV in all truth even if I wanted to run MD's, which I don't.

There goes what? 3million SP down the drain.

I guess i'll have to give it a go and see. I feel like it will still underwelm but be usable.

Breach has always been fun for BLAPPING people. The expanded clip size will help it greatly.

Especially if you know how to double shot glitch it

Instakills everything in the game.

As a wonderfully upstanding member of the forum community, I'm pleased to announce my latest discovery.

Sigs aren't censored!

I've heard you mention the glitch, but I don't think I've ever witnessed it. I wonder if it'll be fixed by the increased clip size.

LOL, I saw this coming ages ago.

Cal Commando skilled up to proto already, you learn over time in Dust to predict how the meta swings.

Funny actually, since I also have prof III magsecs as well as Cal Assault to proto recently as well.

Oh, and MD's will be glorious. Full damage remember? Protofits says I deal 800 damage a shot to armor and 531 to shields with a 2x damage mod minmando.

With a 6 round clip and rapid reload. Now, I'm probably not going to be nuking tanks from halfway across the map, but imagine getting 800 damage thrown at you practically every second. That's 4800 damage if he doesn't move and I get a full clip in on target. That and I don't have to lock now. I can pop in and out of cover to blap him.

I know some mentioned it but i could never find any CCP post confirming it and i needed an AV fit yesterday not in 4 months.

I mainly use my min commando for dropships not tanks, so that's why i don't picture a MD being a very good AV weapon.

^ There's nothing stopping me but i went for the most optimal. Kinda dumb to be trained into the wrong suit for the bonus you wanted. I'll try the MD for the heck of it but i doubt i'll keep the fit.

Petition CCP to see if you can get the skill refunded if you're that ingrained to it.

They'll probably say no, but its at least worth a shot.