Dear CCP,
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-á-á -á I would like a skill respec on the 14th of May. I wasn't aware of certain skills nor that i invested in skills unrelated to what i wanted to unlock. Some skills were more costly than I had expected too. Also, it would be helpful considering there are new items (mainly weapons) coming the 14th.-á

Sincerely, General Grodd


If anyone else would like to have a respec the 14th, comment below and like.

Come on guys! Read the info before you invest your skill points! Its your fault you invested your SP so quickly without taking the time to read. I still havent invested my 7 mil SP because Im still going through all the new skills info!

People were advised to not blow their sp all at once, to think about what they were doing.
But no!
People gone and skilled to proto without skilling into modules and equipment.
I'm laughing right now at the people crying into their fruity pebbles because of their own stupidity.

The problem is with skills just straight not doing what they SAY they do.

Like vehicle electronics for one

I think it would be fair to allow us a respec for the 14th. After all people want to try the new weapons out.

People were advised to not blow their sp all at once, to think about what they were doing.
But no!
People gone and skilled to proto without skilling into modules and equipment.
I'm laughing right now at the people crying into their fruity pebbles because of their own stupidity.

If people had saved their sp until the 14th (as advised), and just gone militia until then........then everyone would be even on the field, with none of the problems going on now.
Then launch comes, skill up....suit up.....shut up, but no one listens because everyone 'gotta have proto'

And what about those who are happy with their choices now?
Not everyone is demanding ANOTHER respec.

Then another respec should not hinder their ability to choose those same skills again.

An OPTION for respec would be better.

Come on guys! Read the info before you invest your skill points! Its your fault you invested your SP so quickly without taking the time to read. I still havent invested my 7 mil SP because Im still going through all the new skills info!

I like this idea, if this happens I will respec into heavy and show scrubs how to use it!

This would be a excellent idea, I know some guys are saying waaah you should have read the stats prior but everything that was available to read prior to this build was not accurate and as someone stated earlier some of the stuff you read and skilled into doesn't work as intended. It would be a nice gesture on ccp's behalf that way it gives the people a week to test the new build and then change up there skills accordingly after having a feel for what direction ccp is going with this build.

Dude it's been mentioned numerous times by dev posts and at fanfest (see 'ccp presents'), the plasma cannon, flaylock pistol and others are coming on the 14th with planetary conquest.

And what about those who are happy with their choices now?
Not everyone is demanding ANOTHER respec.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73748&find=unread it's because of this.

You have got to be freaking kidding me...

So the skill that I put all those points into so I can actually use a vehicle is actually lying to me and is meant to do something completely different?

Yes, please allow a respec. When skills explicitly state that they do X but instead do Y, that is the fault of the game makers when people 'make mistakes' and level that skill. That is seriously lame...

I agree we need another respec on May 14.

But CCP should add a respec item in the future.

I think it's worth mentioning the devs have said they know there's a problem with "the PG skill" on tanks, and are going to fix it, but they haven't given a straight answer on whether the skill is applying to the wrong thing, or the description is incorrect. If it's the former, we MIGHT be able to use the skill - but if we've over-skilled, that's still a huge amound of SP that's been wasted by pouring into something we only needed for the passives.

There is so much to test. I to bungled some skill points in testing as the skills were not clear on how they interacted for my logibro crew. I would like a reset as well now knowing what was not posted at the time, how some skills are broken and how others do not act as they should.

One example, as some of you may know, now that investing in different special suits that say "logistics suit bonus: etc." do not stack for every logistics suit. It is not specified that it will only work for that suit because beneath that is another statements saying the racial variant bonus of the suit. Yet the skill only applies to that suit type. That was not listed, it needed to be tested.

Allowing the skilling to stack would have been op - but it needed to be verified and now we can recommend that the writing clarify such statements like adding the racial variant name to both skills listed so as to announce that it only works on that suit and not just the class.

SP Reset

A respec the day PC drops

Madness. No thank you.

Spent nearly 10 hours working my skill tree yesterday. Not a single Skill Point wasted. Good to go...thanks anyway.

A respec the day PC drops

Madness. No thank you.

Spent nearly 10 hours working my skill tree yesterday. Not a single Skill Point wasted. Good to go...thanks anyway.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73748&find=unread it's because of this.

I don't want a respec. I would just like them to fix what I spec-ed into. :)

Well if you speced into tanks (like I did) then the "fixes" you speak of may change the skills as they were advertised when anyone may have speced into them (like me) forcing a respec to be the only option for those who speced tanks and are now unsatisfied with how they will perform and where unwittingly mislead due entirely to the fault of CCP alone (also like me).

I have already said this elsewhere, but...

There are many ways that this can go,

1. Everyone gets to respec again on the 14th, all stuff is refunded AGAIN.
2. Everyone gets to respec again, but this time you have to keep what you have and deal with it.
3. Optional respec, and all stuff is refunded again.
4. Optional respec, keeping your current assets.
5. Nobody gets to respec and if you shovelled your points into things then tough.

- -

1. nobody really loses out, but you can guarantee whining.
2. only losses are to spent ISK/AUR
3 + 4. would cause QQ from some and joy from others.
5. QQ from some, HTFUs from others...

you can see how this goes...


Whatever happens, CCP do need to think about it hard and quickly, then respond to the concerns of all players.


This has been a major update to the game and many have either made rash decisions, drunken choices, and or misinformed selections... We are all in this for the long haul (although some are only in it until the next Battlefied of Duty), and we will all have to live or die by both our and CCPs decisions.

I am one of those who would possibly benefit from a respec, however, whatever decision is made by CCP will affect us all.


just my 0.02 isk

Want to get another proto weapon? Better buy 2 weeks worth of boosters then, or it's going to be a long time before you see it. Your "Adapt or Die" motto should really be "Shell out cash or grind", because that's what you're going to be doing. It's not a friendly(or even accurate) sentiment.

I demand we have a respec for all these false skill labels. and yes i have filed 1.

False skill labels? Could you clarify that, please?

Did you actually hit Triangle to read the description of each skill before putting points into it?

False skill labels? Could you clarify that, please?

Did you actually hit Triangle to read the description of each skill before putting points into it?

With all the details.
All of them.

False skill labels? Could you clarify that, please?

Did you actually hit Triangle to read the description of each skill before putting points into it?

Edit: I would like to note that where CCP messed up on the skills they need to correct that and then give the correct bonus described or refund that specific skill set to the players who specced into them. However by far this is not the issue with most players. Most players just specced into things without any thought and screwed themselves.

p.s. broken skills are broken, and will be fixed. That has nothing to do with your decisions to blindly dump SP in your "old build" and then figure out that surprise surprise: things are different.

Dear CCP,
-á-á -á
-á-á -á I would like a skill respec on the 14th of May. I wasn't aware of certain skills nor that i invested in skills unrelated to what i wanted to unlock. Some skills were more costly than I had expected too. Also, it would be helpful considering there are new items (mainly weapons) coming the 14th.-á

Sincerely, General Grodd


If anyone else would like to have a respec the 14th, comment below and like.

EDIT: We would also have a better idea of what we like to use/what's more effective. since it would be a week after this past update.

Adapt or Die

I went to Vehicle Engineering, hit triangle, and saw that it increases PG by 5% per level.

I trained it up a couple of levels because I knew I'd need at least level 2 based on how I skilled into the previous build.

I then bought a Sica and tried to fit it, and found myself DRASTICALLY short on PG and a little short on CPU as well, so I went back and skilled another 2 points into the skill, as well as skilling up several points into Electronics (checked and saw 5% increase to CPU) and Shield Extenstion (checked and found it reduced CPU cost of Shield Extenders, which I planned to add 2 of) skills so that I'd have enough CPU to fit as I planned.

Went back, and found that not only was there no change to my max PG, but also no change to max CPU or the CPU cost of a Shield Extender.

Vehicle skills don't give the bonuses they're meant to provide according to the descriptions. Devs have acknowledged that it's ann issue and will be fixed, but haven't clarified whether the issue is with the description being incorrect, or the skill applying the wrong bonus.

In game right now

Vehicle core upgrades - +1% to vehicle maximum PG and CPU per level

Vehicle engineering - 5% increase in vehicle maximum PG per level


Quote:
Hello,

Thanks for your email.

We are aware of an issue with sp,e skills that not operate as described and our Tech team is currently looking at having a fix deployed very soon in order to get the problem sorted. For information, the following skills and correct descriptions should be:

Vehicle Core Upgrades -> +1% PG per level.
Vehicle Engineering -> Reduces the CPU usage requirement of powergrid upgrade modules at -5% per level.

I do apologise for the inconvenience.

Regards,

GM Vegas
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514




Got a reply asking if the skills and numbers they replied with were correct, i got this


Quote:
Hello,

********************The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue.***********************

Again I do apologise for the inconvenience.

Regards,

GM Vegas
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514



Confirmed - Vehicles have had a PG stealth nerf


Why?

I would like to add something here.

IF CCP decide to pop another respec on us all, it should be the LAST time (barring a game-breaking catastrophic kitten-up).

Also, all of the new things MUST be heavily tested in an environment (not unlike Sisi) that does not impact a player's true
account before launch.

We (the players) want the game to be more than just good, we want this game to be more than just great, we want the game to be excellent, just as CCP do.

So relatively experienced players get two respecs in two weeks because they needed a week to learn the importance of restraint, while every new player is left out to dry from this point onward, despite lacking the months of experience you had to hand.

Deal with it. You guys should of used your skill points wisely and not blow them away so quickly!

lolz look at all the ppl incapable of reading, what would u think would of happened if it all fell on the 6th and you were already taking districts? would you just throw rocks at the enemy? deal with it and learn from your errors for not taking the time to read and plan it out.

Did they expect everyone to read every weapon and module description and break it all down into a thesis in order to skill up properly?

Bare ******* randoms crawling out of the wood work, not even reading what people are saying yet still yelling that we're the idiots for "not reading"...

Are you ******* ********? Before anyone talks to me about being mature in this thread, how about you learn to read the thread before you post, I mean I understand a lot of people are not that bright, but it really can't be that hard to read, can it?

Vehicle Skills are broke, yes.
Vehicle Skills descriptions state one thing, but Devs have confirmed that these skills have been updated to do something different.
Exampe: Engineering which upgrades the Powergrid by 5% every level now either reduces CPU on certain things on gives you more CPU depending on which DEV you ask. Dafuq do I need CPU for? I've got 100 spare without that skill and I'm lacking about 300 PG.

I'm done getting shafted by CCPs Vehicle team, these guys need to be moved elsewhere within CCP maybe as Janitors or something but they need to stop working on Vehicles, they're ******* atrocious.

Signed for Re-Spec, AR514 all the way.

And what about those who are happy with their choices now?
Not everyone is demanding ANOTHER respec.

Dear CCP,
-á-á -á
-á-á -á I would like a skill respec on the 14th of May. I wasn't aware of certain skills nor that i invested in skills unrelated to what i wanted to unlock. Some skills were more costly than I had expected too. Also, it would be helpful considering there are new items (mainly weapons) coming the 14th.-á

Sincerely, General Grodd


If anyone else would like to have a respec the 14th, comment below and like.

EDIT: We would also have a better idea of what we like to use/what's more effective. since it would be a week after this past update.

I support this, and I haven't even spent any skills at all (too scared to at this point), but I know of many people who have blown their points already and I see no reason they shouldn't get a second chance.

I support this thread and the demand for another Respec on the 14th. And no I didn't screw up my skills, I have my build skilled perfectly by the planning and research I did before hand.

CCP has to remember not everyone visits these forums, not everyone knows what's going on inside the "loop", not everyone is a hardcore gamer. An additional respect can not hurt this game in anyway. It can only help it by allowing players to learn from their mistakes just 1 last time on commercial release. Hence bringing more well suited mercs on the battlefield.

The new weapons, Planetary Conquest and the official commercial release are more than enough valid reasons alone to call for an additional respec. May 6th -13th is considered a trial and error test week before launch. Just do it CCP your playerbase wants it, so please deliver.

Everyone jump on over and bump this thread as well,

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73002&find=unread

Lets be heard!

Just to be clear, I'm not in favour of a respec because I've screwed up my SP allocation, or because I've neglected to read the descriptions of the skills.

I'm in favour of an OPTIONAL respec at launch because a BETA is for testing, not for gaining a head-start, and I don't feel that a player should be punished for using their time during the BETA to actually TEST the product.

Post-launch, all decisions should be final, I couldn't agree more but, prior to launch, it is still just a BETA.

Dear CCP,
-á-á -á
-á-á -á I would like a skill respec on the 14th of May. I wasn't aware of certain skills nor that i invested in skills unrelated to what i wanted to unlock. Some skills were more costly than I had expected too. Also, it would be helpful considering there are new items (mainly weapons) coming the 14th.-á

Sincerely, General Grodd


If anyone else would like to have a respec the 14th, comment below and like.

EDIT: We would also have a better idea of what we like to use/what's more effective. since it would be a week after this past update.

So if you skill to level 5 in Amarr Logi, then skill to level 1 in Caldari Logi, you only get 1HP/s rep rate? I'd understand if you only got 5 (maxed Logi skill), but only getting 1 sounds wrong based on the description.

It's pretty obvious how many threads are going on about this (3-4) at once. It needs to be addressed if that many people are complaining about it.

It's pretty obvious how many threads are going on about this (3-4) at once. It needs to be addressed if that many people are complaining about it.

What? Maybe for noobs who have like 2mil SP total.... but not for veterans with more than 2mil SP.

We knew changes were coming, we know how to view details of items/skills, we know to plan ahead... So if you blew your SP, then you should be SOL.

What? Maybe for noobs who have like 2mil SP total.... but not for veterans with more than 2mil SP.

We knew changes were coming, we know how to view details of items/skills, we know to plan ahead... So if you blew your SP, then you should be SOL.

Anyone who is wondering on the RE RESPEC... this is the answer you will get from CCP:

Hello,

Thanks for your email.

We are unfortunately unable to provide any further re-spec to any character further to the one provided to you upon the release of the Uprising build which is the final re-spec prior to the game being released later this month.

As we are not offering any further re-spec, any skill point spent is unfortunately permanently attributed to the chosen skill however progress in DUST 514 is never wasted and you can still skill up the required attributes by accumulating more SP during Battles.

I would also like to bring to your attention, should you have purchased any AURUM/Merc Packs before January 22nd, we will be offering players a full reimbursement of such assets (Optional) for you to spend once more which will trigger a full account reset (ie. All SP/ISK/Assets will be deleted should you opt in) and more information about this option will be provided to players in the coming days.

I can certainly understand this can be a bit of an inconvenience and I can only apologise again for not being able to provide you with a suitable solution to your problem.

If you have any further issues or questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

What? Maybe for noobs who have like 2mil SP total.... but not for veterans with more than 2mil SP.

We knew changes were coming, we know how to view details of items/skills, we know to plan ahead... So if you blew your SP, then you should be SOL.

Anyone who is wondering on the RE RESPEC... this is the answer you will get from CCP:

Hello,

Thanks for your email.

We are unfortunately unable to provide any further re-spec to any character further to the one provided to you upon the release of the Uprising build which is the final re-spec prior to the game being released later this month.

As we are not offering any further re-spec, any skill point spent is unfortunately permanently attributed to the chosen skill however progress in DUST 514 is never wasted and you can still skill up the required attributes by accumulating more SP during Battles.

I would also like to bring to your attention, should you have purchased any AURUM/Merc Packs before January 22nd, we will be offering players a full reimbursement of such assets (Optional) for you to spend once more which will trigger a full account reset (ie. All SP/ISK/Assets will be deleted should you opt in) and more information about this option will be provided to players in the coming days.

I can certainly understand this can be a bit of an inconvenience and I can only apologise again for not being able to provide you with a suitable solution to your problem.

If you have any further issues or questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

signed too.

It will be good for the game, if we all start at a level ground ( Specially for new players )

Edit: Btw... i'm more in favor of a total reset, not a Respec ....just to make it clear.

Dear CCP,
-á-á -á
-á-á -á I would like a skill respec on the 14th of May. I wasn't aware of certain skills nor that i invested in skills unrelated to what i wanted to unlock. Some skills were more costly than I had expected too. Also, it would be helpful considering there are new items (mainly weapons) coming the 14th.-á

Sincerely, General Grodd


If anyone else would like to have a respec the 14th, comment below and like.

EDIT: We would also have a better idea of what we like to use/what's more effective. since it would be a week after this past update.

[quote=BMSTUBBY]Everyone jump on over and bump this thread as well,

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73002&find=unread

Lets be heard!

People were advised to not blow their sp all at once, to think about what they were doing.
But no!
People gone and skilled to proto without skilling into modules and equipment.
I'm laughing right now at the people crying into their fruity pebbles because of their own stupidity.

If people had saved their sp until the 14th (as advised), and just gone militia until then........then everyone would be even on the field, with none of the problems going on now.
Then launch comes, skill up....suit up.....shut up, but no one listens because everyone 'gotta have proto'

Damn, a lot of people spent all their SP without reading or looking at the new skill trees. You had your reset and blew it. htfu.

Damn, a lot of people spent all their SP without reading or looking at the new skill trees. You had your reset and blew it. htfu.

Damn, a lot of people spent all their SP without reading or looking at the new skill trees. You had your reset and blew it. htfu.

[quote=Lunamaria Hawkeye]Damn, a lot of people spent all their SP without reading or looking at the new skill trees. You had your reset and blew it. htfu.

CCP also gave no warning or told us in the Patch notes about all of these skill changes, many people assumed that the changes were graphical.

Skills
* New node based Skill UI
* Newly created characters receive no starter skills. Specializations have been removed
* Reorganized skill tree to be simpler with logical separations between vehicle and dropsuit skills. Now all dropsuit skills are under Dropsuit Command; all equipment and modules (with the exception of damage modifiers and remote explosives) under Dropsuit Upgrades and all weapons under Weaponry
* Weapon skill bonuses are now weapon-specific as opposed to providing blanket bonuses across Light, Sidearm and Heavy categories
* Dropsuit Command skills first unlock basic non-role frames before unlocking role-specific skills
* Module skills improve the efficacy of modules used

Where do they mention nerfing skills?

have fun playing dust in... wait all the retards who can't handle a hardcore shooter will be gone in less than a year if it goes your way.

Plenty of people took the time to read the new skills and did it right. That seems to suggest that the problem does not lie with CCP. The problem is most console gamers are idiots who are used to everything being easy and this is probably the first time they have been punished for their stupidity. You won't get your reset, deal with it or leave. Welcome to New Eden.

Yes plenty of people did, and we who did not are to blame for not reading the skills, it is partly our responsibility to have done so but it is not our fault for not doing so but you cannot place all the blame on us when we were not notified of skill changes outside of what was mentioned in the Patch notes that is irresponsibility on CCP part. Regardless if these changes happened or not we are not soothsayers we cannot guess when CCP does something and we shouldn't have to worry that our skills are nerfed or changed every time a update happens, specially when we are not even told of these nerfs, buffs, and changes.

Honestly I do not have a problem with leaving I do not have the patience to grind out my SP, specially when the SP rate is 2k a match, if the SP rate was what it used to be when I first played which was 15k a match without a stupid cap I wouldn't give a damn and I would just jump into the game and grind it out.

No. You crybabies need to HTFU.

I demand we have a respec for all these false skill labels. and yes i have filed 1.

To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding.

To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding.

and what about those who made NO MISTAKES in investing their hard earned SP only to find out the descriptions of the skills was not as advertised.

bait and switch, i bought and orange but was given an apple and was told no refunds i get what i paid for, when in all reality i didn't because i paid for a freaking orange not an apple.