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BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 6	Posted - 2013.05.08 10:20:00 - [1] - Quote Yes I would love a respec because when I was rebuilding my character I had my old build in mind. A lot of my previous skills had their effects removed or changed (Like weaponry) so it was a huge waste, also I didn't understand the racial bonuses and specced into the suit for my race even though that would not apply a bonus, another huge waste. If there is no respec I will just wait it out until I passively get the SP.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.08 12:22:00 - [2] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: I demand we have a respec for all these false skill labels. and yes i have filed 1. False skill labels? Could you clarify that, please? Did you actually hit Triangle to read the description of each skill before putting points into it? I know I didn't I assumed most skills were unchanged so I rebuilt my old character.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.05.08 12:34:00 - [3] - Quote Honestly I wouldn't mind paying for a skill respec, because grinding out all the SP to fix myself, at 2k SP a match (utterly ridiculous), will take me a lot longer than the price they would charge it at.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 8	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:08:00 - [4] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die Rather die than waste time "adapting" :) I want to play the game for fun, not to catch up because I made a mistake.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 8	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:18:00 - [5] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: skinn trayde wrote: I would like to add something here. IF CCP decide to pop another respec on us all, it should be the LAST time (barring a game-breaking catastrophic kitten-up). Also, all of the new things MUST be heavily tested in an environment (not unlike Sisi) that does not impact a player's true account before launch. We (the players) want the game to be more than just good, we want this game to be more than just great, we want the game to be excellent, just as CCP do. So relatively experienced players get two respecs in two weeks because they needed a week to learn the importance of restraint, while every new player is left out to dry from this point onward, despite lacking the months of experience you had to hand. The difference between us and new players is that we have millions of SP while thet have none, by the time they can spend the amounts of SP we have they will know and understand the skills better than we do at this current time.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 11	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:59:00 - [6] - Quote wabump
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 13	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:35:00 - [7] - Quote babump
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 14	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:28:00 - [8] - Quote I wonder how it would impact the community if every player that messed up their characters and do not get a re-spec boycott Dust 514....
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 14	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:05:00 - [9] - Quote Bumpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Dust 514 had a great fall, All the Madrugar tanks and CCP men, Couldn't put Dust 514 together again, But at least this post got a Bump.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:30:00 - [10] - Quote Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: Damn, a lot of people spent all their SP without reading or looking at the new skill trees. You had your reset and blew it. htfu. CCP also gave no warning or told us in the Patch notes about all of these skill changes, many people assumed that the changes were graphical. Skills * New node based Skill UI * Newly created characters receive no starter skills. Specializations have been removed * Reorganized skill tree to be simpler with logical separations between vehicle and dropsuit skills. Now all dropsuit skills are under Dropsuit Command; all equipment and modules (with the exception of damage modifiers and remote explosives) under Dropsuit Upgrades and all weapons under Weaponry * Weapon skill bonuses are now weapon-specific as opposed to providing blanket bonuses across Light, Sidearm and Heavy categories * Dropsuit Command skills first unlock basic non-role frames before unlocking role-specific skills * Module skills improve the efficacy of modules used Where do they mention nerfing skills?

BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:31:00 - [11] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: [quote=Lunamaria Hawkeye]Damn, a lot of people spent all their SP without reading or looking at the new skill trees. You had your reset and blew it. htfu. CCP also gave no warning or told us in the Patch notes about all of these skill changes, many people assumed that the changes were graphical. Skills * New node based Skill UI * Newly created characters receive no starter skills. Specializations have been removed * Reorganized skill tree to be simpler with logical separations between vehicle and dropsuit skills. Now all dropsuit skills are under Dropsuit Command; all equipment and modules (with the exception of damage modifiers and remote explosives) under Dropsuit Upgrades and all weapons under Weaponry * Weapon skill bonuses are now weapon-specific as opposed to providing blanket bonuses across Light, Sidearm and Heavy categories * Dropsuit Command skills first unlock basic non-role frames before unlocking role-specific skills * Module skills improve the efficacy of modules used Where do they mention nerfing skills or even changing skills aside from branching out skills to be role specific? Double post lol
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:46:00 - [12] - Quote Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: Damn, a lot of people spent all their SP without reading or looking at the new skill trees. You had your reset and blew it. htfu. CCP also gave no warning or told us in the Patch notes about all of these skill changes, many people assumed that the changes were graphical. Skills * New node based Skill UI * Newly created characters receive no starter skills. Specializations have been removed * Reorganized skill tree to be simpler with logical separations between vehicle and dropsuit skills. Now all dropsuit skills are under Dropsuit Command; all equipment and modules (with the exception of damage modifiers and remote explosives) under Dropsuit Upgrades and all weapons under Weaponry * Weapon skill bonuses are now weapon-specific as opposed to providing blanket bonuses across Light, Sidearm and Heavy categories * Dropsuit Command skills first unlock basic non-role frames before unlocking role-specific skills * Module skills improve the efficacy of modules used Where do they mention nerfing skills? Plenty of people took the time to read the new skills and did it right. That seems to suggest that the problem does not lie with CCP. The problem is most console gamers are idiots who are used to everything being easy and this is probably the first time they have been punished for their stupidity. You won't get your reset, deal with it or leave. Welcome to New Eden. Yes plenty of people did, and we who did not are to blame for not reading the skills, it is partly our responsibility to have done so but it is not our fault for not doing so but you cannot place all the blame on us when we were not notified of skill changes outside of what was mentioned in the Patch notes that is irresponsibility on CCP part. Regardless if these changes happened or not we are not soothsayers we cannot guess when CCP does something and we shouldn't have to worry that our skills are nerfed or changed every time a update happens, specially when we are not even told of these nerfs, buffs, and changes. Honestly I do not have a problem with leaving I do not have the patience to grind out my SP, specially when the SP rate is 2k a match, if the SP rate was what it used to be when I first played which was 15k a match without a stupid cap I wouldn't give a damn and I would just jump into the game and grind it out.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:19:00 - [13] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding. I don't care what label they put on it, as long as I get a skill respec just one not two not three one I am happy, even if I have to pay for it. Although if I do get one I won't use my SP until CCP stops touching skills.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:24:00 - [14] - Quote PsychoLogiKal PsyDrei wrote: jenza aranda wrote: To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding. and what about those who made NO MISTAKES in investing their hard earned SP only to find out the descriptions of the skills was not as advertised. bait and switch, i bought and orange but was given an apple and was told no refunds i get what i paid for, when in all reality i didn't because i paid for a freaking orange not an apple. I never knew how comparable this game is to fruit.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:27:00 - [15] - Quote I think there will be a skill respec. 1) Because a lot of people are complaining and begging for one. 2) Because it is the easiest way out of doing a major patch.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:33:00 - [16] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: PsychoLogiKal PsyDrei wrote: jenza aranda wrote: To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding. and what about those who made NO MISTAKES in investing their hard earned SP only to find out the descriptions of the skills was not as advertised. bait and switch, i bought and orange but was given an apple and was told no refunds i get what i paid for, when in all reality i didn't because i paid for a freaking orange not an apple. i refer again, mistakes where made my ccp, things will change, a respec will happen. just probably not in time for may 14th It should be by the 14th thats the most logical time, start every one off on equal footing. Those of us who messed up our classes will think twice of were we put our skills and probably run in militia for a couple of weeks, I know I will.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:34:00 - [17] - Quote Phoenix Arakyd wrote: jenza aranda wrote: To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding. They should only allow it on the skills with incorrect descriptions. 100% against refunding for FOTM kids who run to OP **** and cry once it gets nerfed/balanced. What about logi suits running around with more Shield/HP than heavy and the Speed and Power of a assault. If that's not OP, then I don't know what is.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 20	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:48:00 - [18] - Quote Phoenix Arakyd wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: jenza aranda wrote: To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding. They should only allow it on the skills with incorrect descriptions. 100% against refunding for FOTM kids who run to OP **** and cry once it gets nerfed/balanced. What about logi suits running around with more Shield/HP than heavy and the Speed and Power of a assault. If that's not OP, then I don't know what is. Of course it is, itll get nerfed, and then they should be stuck with that suit. Yea but that's unfair in a way, because then they will just be the ones left begging. Just roll out a balancing patch on May 14 and a final respect with COMPLETE PATCH NOTES!!!!!!!!!!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 20	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:01:00 - [19] - Quote Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 20	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:08:00 - [20] - Quote Phoenix Arakyd wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. So it is my mistake that CCP did not properly inform players of skill changes?

BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:20:00 - [21] - Quote Asmadai wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. I think that answer should be NO when the game goes live with the full release. I also DO NOT think there should be an option to respec your character in the future for x amount of ISK/AUR. Since the game is still in beta during the massive update it would be fair for CCP to do this ONCE on 5/14. Did you just contradict yourself I think that answer should be NO when the game goes live with the full release. Since the game is still in beta during the massive update it would be fair for CCP to do this ONCE on 5/14. 5/14 is full relase.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:32:00 - [22] - Quote Phoenix Arakyd wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. So it is my mistake that CCP did not properly inform players of skill changes? Like I said, skills that have incorrect descriptions should be refunded, but only that skill that is affected. Finding out your OP fit is now balanced does not warrant a respec. Actually I do not want a respec to fix a used-to-be OP build but because I got skills that I was not aware did not do what they used to do post-Uprising. I didn't check the description because when I read the patch notes there was nothing regarding these skills being changed. And I am all against making OP builds, I have two characters and one has enough SP to be a OP logi guy but it isn't because that's just not my style.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:40:00 - [23] - Quote TECH-SARGE wrote: Phoenix Arakyd wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. Kids huh lol. To be honest i don't think you have read all the posts properly, maybe you should do it again. And they should've not touched anything as it was good as it was. They should just have changed the skill system, graphics and some minor changes like say making the dropship handle a bit better. The rest was ok actually. And CCP always caters to their players they have done for the last ten years in eve and so will they do in dust. Now if you are a fair guy don't cry, keep playing and skill up what you were doing and explain them what needs to be done. Now everything that can be done will be looked at and taken care of someway patience will be key here. Last time CCP didn't cater to their players there was some big riot inside the EVE game world. I wish we could blow stuff up in here to.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 22	Posted - 2013.05.09 19:42:00 - [24] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: SoLJae wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: We appreciate everyone's patience while you await further news, but we feel it is important for you to know that the community's concerns are being heard at the highest levels thanks to your representatives on the CPM. -The Council of Planetary Management Heinrich Jagerblitzen Iron Wolf Saber Jenza Aranda Kane Spero Laurent Cazaderon Nova Knife If the CPM truly intends to represent the Dust community then I would hope that they recognize the recent groundswell of support for a SP respec on the 14th of May. I would ask that each member publicly support the recent player's initiative to get this done. Thanks. I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly. ^^^^^^ Here is your answer So this confirmswe have been heard ?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 22	Posted - 2013.05.09 19:47:00 - [25] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: Heard, yes. Confirmation itll be done? Announcement Soon(TM) hopefully. NO! That CCP (TM) crap means like anywere from 5 minutes to a year.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 23	Posted - 2013.05.09 19:52:00 - [26] - Quote eKona vinDar wrote: BL4CK FRIAR wrote: [quote=eKona vinDar] A full NOT OPTIONAL respec is a must Anything else is a FAIL So now, not only CCP be punished for not labeling things correctly (fine I suppose) but so must the rest of us who actually bothered to read or who didnt simply go all level 5's on the suit of choice and forgot to work on our secondary skills and put thought into our builds? Oh no you have to spend 5 minutes rebuilding the exact same build you had what a punishment!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 23	Posted - 2013.05.09 19:54:00 - [27] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Summer-Wolf wrote: Heard, yes. Confirmation itll be done? Announcement Soon(TM) hopefully. NO! That CCP (TM) crap means like anywere from 5 minutes to a year. CCP is suppose to make an announcement shortly (within a few hours as per CPM) regarding the details of that meeting and future plans. So SOON (TM) seems to be within 5 minutes to a few days. Kewl, well long ago ( a couple of months ago ) when they said SOON (TM) it was a very long time.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 25	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:17:00 - [28] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Still waiting for post of that conversation - I'm sure it was alot for CCP and CPM to hash out and any official copy, with this crowd, would need to be gone over with a fine magnifying glass to make sure so insinuations, expectations, false hope, or anything else was not misinterpreted. Apparently it is taking so long because they want to inform us of every little detail, and sort through their information with a fine tooth comb. So I do not mind the wait.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 25	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:18:00 - [29] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Holy crap this thread is big! Thats what she said.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 54	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:57:00 - [30] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77103&find=unread Not happening today but probably not SOON (TM) I assume within 2 weeks. Which is still hella long.