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Asmadai
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:14:00 -
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The only reason a respec makes sense to me is that the update came while the game was still in beta. Had a huge update come during full release I would say that we are all out of luck. But the game has not been released yet and plenty of players have made mistakes because it is not just the skill tree that changed but game mechanics and weapons. If someone started as a new character they would not have past knowledge about how weapons worked in this game to influence their decisions and would only gradually gain their SP so they can't create issues for their characters.
Since it is in beta I can't see the problem of a second respec when the game goes live. I completely support a respec. My character is not broken but I have changes I would like to make.
I also don't see the point of arguing against one. As I said the game is still in beta and there have now been resets and respecs before. One last one would be a great way of rewarding those who played through the beta allowing for CCP to create the game it is today and will be in the future. |
Asmadai
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
74
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:18:00 -
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Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves.
I think that answer should be NO when the game goes live with the full release. I also DO NOT think there should be an option to respec your character in the future for x amount of ISK/AUR. Since the game is still in beta during the massive update it would be fair for CCP to do this ONCE on 5/14.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
Orion Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:20:00 -
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Asmadai wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. I think that answer should be NO when the game goes live with the full release. I also DO NOT think there should be an option to respec your character in the future for x amount of ISK/AUR. Since the game is still in beta during the massive update it would be fair for CCP to do this ONCE on 5/14.
Did you just contradict yourself
I think that answer should be NO when the game goes live with the full release.
Since the game is still in beta during the massive update it would be fair for CCP to do this ONCE on 5/14.
5/14 is full relase.
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1459
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:23:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:To be clear, there probably will not be a respec on or before the 14th, however in a talk that we, the CPM had with the CCP devs today, they agreed that a number of skills need to be changed and tweeked. when this happens, CCP will most likely be offering a temporary optional respec. But this is because of skill changes, not because mistakes in SP investment where made. We dont want people getting used to the idea of SP refunding.
I think this is a decision everyone can get behind. |
Phoenix Arakyd
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
55
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:26:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. So it is my mistake that CCP did not properly inform players of skill changes?
Like I said, skills that have incorrect descriptions should be refunded, but only that skill that is affected. Finding out your OP fit is now balanced does not warrant a respec. |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
180
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:28:00 -
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Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves.
I hope they do. I am part of their audience and I do hope they try to make it right. They game me a faulty product, but it was based on a better one that I was familiar with. Thats like buying a cheap knock off of an appliance and expecting it to do the same things that the namebrand did. Except the kicker is that it was in the name brand box - the manufacturer screwed up not the user.
I knew the original had problems... but this is worse. |
Phoenix Arakyd
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
55
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:30:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. I hope they do. I am part of their audience and I do hope they try to make it right. They game me a faulty product, but it was based on a better one that I was familiar with. Thats like buying a cheap knock off of an appliance and expecting it to do the same things that the namebrand did. Except the kicker is that it was in the name brand box - the manufacturer screwed up not the user. I knew the original had problems... but this is worse.
They also didnt honor their merc pack refund, or refund aur for the BPO suits. I was told tough because I supported a merc pack refund. Though. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
Orion Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:32:00 -
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Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. So it is my mistake that CCP did not properly inform players of skill changes? Like I said, skills that have incorrect descriptions should be refunded, but only that skill that is affected. Finding out your OP fit is now balanced does not warrant a respec.
Actually I do not want a respec to fix a used-to-be OP build but because I got skills that I was not aware did not do what they used to do post-Uprising. I didn't check the description because when I read the patch notes there was nothing regarding these skills being changed. And I am all against making OP builds, I have two characters and one has enough SP to be a OP logi guy but it isn't because that's just not my style. |
TECH-SARGE
Talon Strike Force LTD
Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:36:00 -
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Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves.
Kids huh lol. To be honest i don't think you have read all the posts properly, maybe you should do it again. And they should've not touched anything as it was good as it was. They should just have changed the skill system, graphics and some minor changes like say making the dropship handle a bit better. The rest was ok actually.
And CCP always caters to their players they have done for the last ten years in eve and so will they do in dust. Now if you are a fair guy don't cry, keep playing and skill up what you were doing and explain them what needs to be done. Now everything that can be done will be looked at and taken care of someway patience will be key here. |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
194
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:40:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:I want a refund on my skills that disappeared after the small update this morning... All my vehicle command skills were reset. and I didn't get my SP back.
Yeah WTF CCP great hotfix, stop fixing crap you are just F-ing it up even more! |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
Orion Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:40:00 -
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TECH-SARGE wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. Kids huh lol. To be honest i don't think you have read all the posts properly, maybe you should do it again. And they should've not touched anything as it was good as it was. They should just have changed the skill system, graphics and some minor changes like say making the dropship handle a bit better. The rest was ok actually. And CCP always caters to their players they have done for the last ten years in eve and so will they do in dust. Now if you are a fair guy don't cry, keep playing and skill up what you were doing and explain them what needs to be done. Now everything that can be done will be looked at and taken care of someway patience will be key here.
Last time CCP didn't cater to their players there was some big riot inside the EVE game world. I wish we could blow stuff up in here to. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2867
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:47:00 -
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Phoenix Arakyd wrote:No, because something else will be perceived as OP, skilled into, and then they will beg for another respec. Again and again. Ad infinitum. No SP respec or refund for that skill unless it has the wrong description. If you skill into something to take advantage of its OP'dness, and it gets a balance pass, too bad.
And what if I skilled into several different skills to fill out something I wasn't able to improve as I had planned because I didn't know the skill description was wrong and based my investment in those skills on that incorrect information?
I have about half a million SP invested in skills that are of no value to me unless the Engineering skill is changed, and even then I have over 200,000 SP invested in skills that I can't use, because I trained the skills to help me to balance out the shortfall I thought was caused by reduced PG stats on the vehicles rather than a failure of the skill to provide the described bonus. |
Mathew LaBorde
The Generals
EoN.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:51:00 -
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i do not believe the skill points are ccp's fault. i think you and everyone shouldve used an alt or read the descriptions and spent time researching the skills instead of assuming that they would be the same as the last build. its common sense. take your time and dont rush into things like a wild hog going fotr the kill. no. i do no think that there should be a respec. it is your own fault. next time stay up to date with whats going on with the updates instead of thinking that they are a waist of time. and all you jellybeans using moded controllers for the glu and other tac's, im ashamed to even be on the same battlefield. pitiful... |
Cygnus 2112
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:53:00 -
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Yes. CCP you need to do another respec. I lost 4.5 million sp on day one and now all I have is a G-1 logi suit and a gek-38 assault rifle. Please let us respec again. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:54:00 -
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Mathew LaBorde wrote:i do not believe the skill points are ccp's fault. i think you and everyone shouldve used an alt or read the descriptions and spent time researching the skills instead of assuming that they would be the same as the last build. its common sense. take your time and dont rush into things like a wild hog going fotr the kill. no. i do no think that there should be a respec. it is your own fault. next time stay up to date with whats going on with the updates instead of thinking that they are a waist of time. and all you jellybeans using moded controllers for the glu and other tac's, im ashamed to even be on the same battlefield. pitiful...
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Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
36
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:00:00 -
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Mathew LaBorde wrote:i do not believe the skill points are ccp's fault. i think you and everyone shouldve used an alt or read the descriptions and spent time researching the skills instead of assuming that they would be the same as the last build. its common sense. take your time and dont rush into things like a wild hog going fotr the kill. no. i do no think that there should be a respec. it is your own fault. next time stay up to date with whats going on with the updates instead of thinking that they are a waist of time. and all you jellybeans using moded controllers for the glu and other tac's, im ashamed to even be on the same battlefield. pitiful...
Again, if this were after the game was officially released, I might agree with you.
But this is still only a Beta, and that alone should warrant one last reset prior to launch.
How can Beta Testers properly experiment and test, if they're worried that any misstep they make will be permanently part of their character after release?
This is partly why most games RESET everyone at the end of Betas (also to avoid the beta testers having an unfair advantage over the new players).
In this regard, I AM willing to compromise, and accept the fact that we won't be completely reset (although I don't entirely agree that this is necessarily the best course of action for the overall success of the game), and would settle for an optional skill respec instead. |
Zephlaw
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology
1
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:00:00 -
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I would also agree with letting me and everyone respec again. I had no idea there was no specialized Amarr Assault LVL 1 and only a lvl 3, I messd up bad when setting up my new skills. Also I would like to be refunded my 19,800 AUR I used on an Raven Caladri Assault BPO, it was the only assault BPO at the time. I'm an amarr race why would I still want that suit. GIVE MY AUR back I will spend it on boosters or an Amarr BPO when it comes out. WHY would you think I would still want that suit, how am I going to cross-class at such a young game age as DUST is. |
BL4CK FRIAR
HDYLTA
51
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:01:00 -
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Dregarian wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. Agreed, you can't teach stupid.
But can stoopid teach you?
Anyhow, we know there will be a respec SOONtm and yes I was like a child on Christmas day with all the refunded SP, ISK and AUR (though I will say I still have 1/6th of that SP available as I want to have a look at the weapons on the 14th before committing those points). The biggest issue I see against CCP doing yet another respec anytime soon is that it sets bad precident. We do not have full suit line ups, full racial vehicles, nor even full weapons line ups (we are still missing the Minmatar and Caldari AR like weapons as one example), and I worry that if people get what they want now which is akin to 2 respecs or more per build it just fuels the irresponsible to not pay attention to what they are doing.
People take pride in overcoming their hardships, and they take pride in their accomplishments, but if you constantly get a redo then you take pride and joy in nothing. Skilling to be a Nova Knifing God in Minmatar Scout would be a hard route (one I am not taking because im lazy like that) but if you were able to get to a top tier in such a fit that would be a huge bragging point no? Being able to, every six months or so, having a freebie respec (which people are petitioning to make the one we just got) where you can test the waters and then a final respec every build means that you will never have had to accomplish anything. You simply made a fail character and then came on the forums and read that Example Core or some other heavy weight in our community has had a good experience with the following skills, and follow the pack.
CEOPyrex in his videos has been a bit miffed that he went lvl 5 Scout Matari suit, but in his most recent video he said "no use crying over spilled milk, guess ill become a Nova Knifer" Make you builds work for you and you will enjoy the game more, make the cookie cutter a freebies work for you and you will quickly get bored of this game. |
dabest2evadoit5
Immortal Solders of War
2
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:02:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:signed too.
It will be good for the game, if we all start at a level ground ( Specially for new players )
Edit: Btw... i'm more in favor of a total reset, not a Respec ....just to make it clear.
If they do decide on a reset, I want either my aurum back spent on active/passive boosters, or the actual boosters back. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1213
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:05:00 -
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Chi-Chi Chikubi wrote:Come on guys! Read the info before you invest your skill points! Its your fault you invested your SP so quickly without taking the time to read. I still havent invested my 7 mil SP because Im still going through all the new skills info!
Why would you be against it?? It isnt an sp recall just a reset. If you havent invested all of your sp, then it really shouldnt be a problem. |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1213
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:06:00 -
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Mathew LaBorde wrote:i do not believe the skill points are ccp's fault. i think you and everyone shouldve used an alt or read the descriptions and spent time researching the skills instead of assuming that they would be the same as the last build. its common sense. take your time and dont rush into things like a wild hog going fotr the kill. no. i do no think that there should be a respec. it is your own fault. next time stay up to date with whats going on with the updates instead of thinking that they are a waist of time. and all you jellybeans using moded controllers for the glu and other tac's, im ashamed to even be on the same battlefield. pitiful...
But how does an sp reset hurt you?...for you to be against it. |
Kurachigo Yamada
Assassins of Sativa
1
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:10:00 -
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I think it's pretty crazy how so many people are against one last respec when it won't hinder them in any way. I did some pretty wild things with my SP too, could've done better but I'm not crying about it. I made a few mistakes here and there by putting in one extra level into some skills by accident. Sure i could've been more informed and involved but i don't always have time to read through all the posts just to see the specifics. Sometimes theres just too many pages and posts and my attention span has never been that great (even before i got the SNES that changed my life 20 years ago). So I'm all for another but I don't necessarily need it. Just would be nice to fix those small a mistakes I made from the slight confusion of the new system. |
eKona vinDar
WarRavens
Orion Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:19:00 -
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flesth wrote:skinn trayde wrote:I have already said this elsewhere, but...
There are many ways that this can go,
1. Everyone gets to respec again on the 14th, all stuff is refunded AGAIN.
2. Everyone gets to respec again, but this time you have to keep what you have and deal with it.
3. Optional respec, and all stuff is refunded again.
4. Optional respec, keeping your current assets.
5. Nobody gets to respec and if you shovelled your points into things then tough.
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1. nobody really loses out, but you can guarantee whining.
2. only losses are to spent ISK/AUR
3 + 4. would cause QQ from some and joy from others.
5. QQ from some, HTFUs from others...
you can see how this goes...
Whatever happens, CCP do need to think about it hard and quickly, then respond to the concerns of all players.
This has been a major update to the game and many have either made rash decisions, drunken choices, and or misinformed selections... We are all in this for the long haul (although some are only in it until the next Battlefied of Duty), and we will all have to live or die by both our and CCPs decisions.
I am one of those who would possibly benefit from a respec, however, whatever decision is made by CCP will affect us all.
just my 0.02 isk spot on
agreed, signed. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2873
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:22:00 -
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Mathew LaBorde wrote:i do not believe the skill points are ccp's fault. i think you and everyone shouldve used an alt or read the descriptions and spent time researching the skills instead of assuming that they would be the same as the last build. its common sense. take your time and dont rush into things like a wild hog going fotr the kill. no. i do no think that there should be a respec. it is your own fault. next time stay up to date with whats going on with the updates instead of thinking that they are a waist of time. and all you jellybeans using moded controllers for the glu and other tac's, im ashamed to even be on the same battlefield. pitiful...
Oh, another person telling me that I should have "read the descriptions and spent time researching".
VEHICLE ENGINEERING. Look it up. Look at the skill description. Does it say "5% increase to vehicle maximum PG per level" or "5% reduction in CPU cost of PG modules"? Because "5% increase to vehicle maximum PG per level" isn't what it actually does. |
Asmadai
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
76
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:25:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Asmadai wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Not if everything is properly balanced. And most people can agree that there is a balance. Most people agree there should be a respec, it obviously shows that at the current moment there is something faulty with the game. Kids just wanna undo their mistakes. The answer should be a huge NO, but I fear CCP will continue to cater to those who cannot help themselves. I think that answer should be NO when the game goes live with the full release. I also DO NOT think there should be an option to respec your character in the future for x amount of ISK/AUR. Since the game is still in beta during the massive update it would be fair for CCP to do this ONCE on 5/14. Did you just contradict yourself I think that answer should be NO when the game goes live with the full release. Since the game is still in beta during the massive update it would be fair for CCP to do this ONCE on 5/14. 5/14 is full relase.
Sorry, was still drinking my morning coffee while I typed that. I mean that on full release there should be a SP respec, but that as the last one. I have read people suggesting that respecs should be available for ISK/AUR and that is what I meant about future respecs.
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eKona vinDar
WarRavens
Orion Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:32:00 -
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Also I have to say that the respec MUST be a NOT OPTIONAL full respec, not just for mislabeled skills, but for everything including items. This is because the skills are related to ROLES. It is not specifically the skill that we want to respec, but the ROLE. For example tanks are useless now, so I want to respec ALL of the skills.
Otherwise I still have 90% of my skills in a useless role due to mislabeled skills that NOT ONLY affect my decision to apply SP to that skill, but to other skills as well. Had I known that the skill had been changed and that the text was displaying incorrect information I would not have applied SP to that skill, or any others that have to do with tanking because without the +5% per level PG received from the original engineering skill, tanks are altogether a waste of SP.
The other reason there MUST be a full respec is because the Advanced level of AV grenades require NO SKILLS to use. Yes, that's right the second strongest weapon in the game to kill tanks requires no skills, and its cheap too! Very cheap. I bought 700, and I think i might buy another 1000.
So either you respec everything or I will have 1,700 Advanced AV grenades (Which are OP now) without having to spec into it... also the price is obviously too cheap too... so I might just sell them on the open market for 10 times as much a few months down the road....
Also the prototype Charged Sniper rifle is about one 20th the cost it should be... if your a sniper you better stock up in case there is no respec, but an edit on the price.
As you can see this respec is about way more than SP spent into an individually mislabeled skill.
A full NOT OPTIONAL respec is a must
Anything else is a FAIL |
BL4CK FRIAR
HDYLTA
51
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:42:00 -
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eKona vinDar wrote:
A full NOT OPTIONAL respec is a must
Anything else is a FAIL
So now, not only CCP be punished for not labeling things correctly (fine I suppose) but so must the rest of us who actually bothered to read or who didnt simply go all level 5's on the suit of choice and forgot to work on our secondary skills and put thought into our builds?
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The-Last-Ninja
FIND CARL CORP
51
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:11:00 -
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The game is still being tested in beta, so it makes sense to have occasional re-specs.
I'm for a re-spec on May 14th. |
Lightning xVx
G I A N T
EoN.
70
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:19:00 -
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I honestly think that it would be a wise decision for CCP to allow their users to RESPEC this one final time, so they can iron out any kinks that may have been prevalent in the last 2-3 days of us testing. And I honestly wouldn't mind if this was the last, plus I have no qualms with working towards a new suit once they are released a few months from now. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
12
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:20:00 -
[300] - Quote
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