You assume my life choices are poor, and you defend people who claim I have a full life because I work for a living? News Flash: This just in; Working for a living is a poor life choice.

wtf Do you honestly think people can just change their circumstance so easily? Shall I just wave a magic wand and make a good woman appear--who is interested in me--and increase my yearly income to about $90000 so I can afford to have a family and buy a house?

Just fyi, only so many people can earn so much, and there isn't that much money to go around with high paid persons earning enough to provide much better quality of living for hundreds, if not thousands, or hundreds of thousands. The vast majority of global income is drawn into finite points. It is not spread around.

I work as an Electrician, and only recently started doing that. It might amount to something some day, but it certainly hasn't yet. It would cost me nearly one quarter of my income just to finance and insure a newer vehicle. Maybe a little more than. Rent is about a third.

This has nothing to do with poor life choices, and everything to do with a lack of opportunity and fiscal assets to make things happen. Even provided I didn't have any bad habits at all, I would still be moving forward under low steam. I waste some money, it is true, but I waste it because I'm attempting to at least enjoy something of this life I've been given.

Mostly good food actually, rather than eating KD which wouldn't get me through my work day anyway. I consume an average of 3-4K calories a day and I weigh in at 184 pounds at 6'1" If I didn't at least eat good food once in awhile, I'd be suffering from exhaustion most days.

I'm already suffering from exhaustion, but it has more to do with limited sleep than food I think. I also smoke; have for 25 years; terrible habit, but not so easy to quit for some as others. Also, waste of money.

I don't hesitate to admit my flaws; I never pretended otherwise. Calling people out for not having the time, and claiming working was a reward is ignorant. People work because they have to; if they didn't, they'd have the time if they wanted to invest it.

Believe it or not, someone better off than me--by a bit--and married to an equally well off spouse, raising children, will still have limited time and energy, and their life will not be so rewarding as suggested. Most people don't even have the time to invest on spending with their children, and are mostly investing it in providing for them, even when they are well off.

How is that rewarding? ..particularly when the majority of what you do more readily benefits someone else, or provides them with things you don't have yourself, and likely could not afford?

Myself for example: I have literally assisted with the install of multiple security systems, prewired and finished thousands of homes with cable, telecommunications and audio systems, security wiring, and both roughed in and installed central vacuum systems in as many or more than that. I have, as well, wired and finished electrical for as many as 40 homes and done quite a few Reno's.

That's just in the last 6 years, and I don't yet have a home of my own and couldn't possibly think of affording one.

Do you think my job is unnecessary? That I made a poor life choice?

In this context, do you think it is rewarding enough in itself, and that I should make way for those who don't have to invest their time on such things, and can sit at home on a PS3? That I am undeserving somehow, of having something to do with my spare time, when I want to, without having to suffer from the iniquity of limited SP when compared to others who have been playing as long as I have, if more than?

I don't.

When life hands you lemons, make lemonade.




Anyway, more on the matter at hand.

The SP cap removal is a good thing for a large number of reasons.

1) As people have said, New Eden is an unfair universe where there are clear distinctions between vets and rookies. This is the universe you are playing in. Get used to it and save the QQ for when you get shot in the face.

2) Finally, the SP system will reflect the effort of the player rather than simply how often they are able to log on. They are called skill points and not free points for a reason.

3) No more AFK SP farming in the MCC.

4) Boosters now do what they say on the tin and you don't feel like you've been conned every time you hit the cap.

5) It will now be EASIER to catch up with the hardcore players. With the SP cap system the only way of keep up with the SP race was to ensure that you logged in every day and hit your cap. If you missed a day, you missed a day of SP resulting in you being a day behind those who were able to log in and never able to catch them up again. Without the SP cap, if you are a casual player then you can simply wait until you get that long weekend off, sit in your PJs for a couple of days and catch up with the rest of us. If you aren't prepared to do that then you have no place to be moaning about any SP cap because you are essentially asking for free SP as opposed to actually working for it.

6) Removing the SP cap and it's hand outs will promote specialization which is at the heart of New Eden gameplay.

7) People will actually try harder during matches because your SP and ISK will be entirely dependent on your performance in the battle. This may actually mean people care about winning and losing battles as opposed to only being concerned about the sp and isk stats.

8) Regular and hardcore players (the ones buying most of the AUR and thus paying for it's development) will no longer be alienated by what is essentially a message of "Thanks for your money, you can go and play something else now" when you see +75 SP come up on the screen.


So what are the arguments for the SP cap?

1) People who play more than me will be more advanced than me...

- What? So you are complaining that this will be like every other game ever made? Simply your presense here does not mean that you deserve to be as good as everyone else. If that is what you want then why do we have an SP system in the first place? Just give everyone identical stats and identical weapons and see what they can do with them... Oh, wait. Isn't that the same as Call of Duty? Maybe your playing the wrong game.

2) People in china will be SP farming like crazy and selling high level characters...

- So Dust 514 will suffer this issue THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER LEVEL BASED GAME. You do not solve this issue by screwing over every player in the game with an SP cap, you solve it by policing transactions and IP addresses as they have already done with macroers in Eve Online.

3) People who have no lives will be playing 24/7 and be in proto within a week.

- This is simply not true. Whether there is a cap or no cap there are still only 24 hours in a day and this restraint on time provides you with a natural cap. A skirmish match lasts approx 20 mins so you may be able to fit in 70 matchers per day (allowing for 40 mins loading time and assuming you don't sleep). This means that if the SP is calculated solely on 1WP = 1SP and you are getting an average 1000WP per match you will only be getting 70,000 active SP per day. Your proto gear is still a long way off, this just means that getting to that point is in the hands of the players rather than being controlled completely by CCP.


The simple solution to most of these issues.

CCP should add is a log-in cool down timer to stop 24/7 grinding. All this essentially means is that your account activity is monitored. Once you have been playing for 10 hours in a 12 hour period, you are unable to log in to your account for the last 2 hours of that 12 period and the timer is reset at the end of the 12 hours. At an average of 20 mins per match this will reduce the number of matches you can play per day by 12, further reducing your daily active SP max to 58,000 per day.

Problem solved.

Boosters now do what they say on the tin and you don't feel like you've been conned every time you hit the cap.

Not me and I think this is another reason for the lifting of the cap, more sales.

just make it like Eve with just passive SP already. This will cause even more upset......

the biggest complaint in these posts is: I am missing out on being able to get some imaginary SP cause of real life commitments. The 'pool' or rollover idea fixes this problem for them. You missed getting some SP and? Its not the end of the world

those that argue altruistic reasons about new players isnt true either:
a player starting now will always have more SP than a player starting in a years time. That player will never catch up with the vet.

You assume my life choices are poor, and you defend people who claim I have a full life because I work for a living? News Flash: This just in; Working for a living is a poor life choice.

wtf Do you honestly think people can just change their circumstance so easily? Shall I just wave a magic wand and make a good woman appear--who is interested in me--and increase my yearly income to about $90000 so I can afford to have a family and buy a house?

Just fyi, only so many people can earn so much, and there isn't that much money to go around with high paid persons earning enough to provide much better quality of living for hundreds, if not thousands, or hundreds of thousands. The vast majority of global income is drawn into finite points. It is not spread around.

I work as an Electrician, and only recently started doing that. It might amount to something some day, but it certainly hasn't yet. It would cost me nearly one quarter of my income just to finance and insure a newer vehicle. Maybe a little more than. Rent is about a third.

This has nothing to do with poor life choices, and everything to do with a lack of opportunity and fiscal assets to make things happen. Even provided I didn't have any bad habits at all, I would still be moving forward under low steam. I waste some money, it is true, but I waste it because I'm attempting to at least enjoy something of this life I've been given.

Mostly good food actually, rather than eating KD which wouldn't get me through my work day anyway. I consume an average of 3-4K calories a day and I weigh in at 184 pounds at 6'1" If I didn't at least eat good food once in awhile, I'd be suffering from exhaustion most days.

I'm already suffering from exhaustion, but it has more to do with limited sleep than food I think. I also smoke; have for 25 years; terrible habit, but not so easy to quit for some as others. Also, waste of money.

I don't hesitate to admit my flaws; I never pretended otherwise. Calling people out for not having the time, and claiming working was a reward is ignorant. People work because they have to; if they didn't, they'd have the time if they wanted to invest it.

Believe it or not, someone better off than me--by a bit--and married to an equally well off spouse, raising children, will still have limited time and energy, and their life will not be so rewarding as suggested. Most people don't even have the time to invest on spending with their children, and are mostly investing it in providing for them, even when they are well off.

How is that rewarding? ..particularly when the majority of what you do more readily benefits someone else, or provides them with things you don't have yourself, and likely could not afford?

Myself for example: I have literally assisted with the install of multiple security systems, prewired and finished thousands of homes with cable, telecommunications and audio systems, security wiring, and both roughed in and installed central vacuum systems in as many or more than that. I have, as well, wired and finished electrical for as many as 40 homes and done quite a few Reno's.

That's just in the last 6 years, and I don't yet have a home of my own and couldn't possibly think of affording one.

Do you think my job is unnecessary? That I made a poor life choice?

In this context, do you think it is rewarding enough in itself, and that I should make way for those who don't have to invest their time on such things, and can sit at home on a PS3? That I am undeserving somehow, of having something to do with my spare time, when I want to, without having to suffer from the iniquity of limited SP when compared to others who have been playing as long as I have, if more than?

I don't.

Great, now the minority "NO-TO-CAP" players are acting out. As if the majority should bend to their will.

@Deveshi

You are a ignorant, arrogant, selfish jerk.

Anyways, you don't know anything about the consequences of not having an SP cap, do you? I know the consequences. I was there when it all happened. Replication build (or earlier) I saw plenty of no-lifers manage to reach prototype level in as little as two weeks which was too much to see and experience to say the least. There was no point in setting up a skill tree system that's suppose to take 7 years to train when it was possible to finish most of the skill tree in a month or two.

Of course, that was allow CCP to see how prototype suits worked out in mass numbers. They got the results. Then the SP cap came which was a godsend because according to CCP our SP gains were suppose to be in equal pace to that of Eve Online players (maximum of 1SP/sec).

Great, now the minority "NO-TO-CAP" players are acting out. As if the majority should bend to their will.

I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed.

The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation.

Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk.

We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary.

Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first.

We look forward to hearing from you!

I haven't read threw the entire post so forgive me if its been said,

Was thinking about how World of Warcraft(yeah shut up) did it., maybe making it so if you don't log into the game for some amount of time a you get a sp bonus for a few matches based off the time you were inactive. who ever wants to grind can, who ever doesn't can at least make up some of that gap.

You think people against the cap are in the minority? Affraid the forum isn't exactly a true representation.

The people who do want the cap because they can't play the game during the day can access this forum. So here they are complaining to keep the SP cap. Suprise, Suprise. Tell me, are you buying your AUR though the forum as well?

The people who want the SP cap removed are out there playing the game rather than listening to this BS.

Only players who want it are the self entitled players who work and do other things and think they should have exactly the same SP as player who play all day. Sounds like communism to me, we all know how that has worked out.

Whatever you plan on doing CCP, please don't force me to have to play every single day to keep up. Not everyone can/wants to play every single day. I like your game sure, but I miss the couple days off I could take after hitting my cap back when it was weekly. Haha got me talking like this is a job, which it is currently with the loldailycap. So yeah, scrap that daily cap and replace it with something more flexible.

You think people against the cap are in the minority? Affraid the forum isn't exactly a true representation.

The people who do want the cap because they can't play the game during the day can access this forum. So here they are complaining to keep the SP cap. Suprise, Suprise. Tell me, are you buying your AUR though the forum as well?

The people who want the SP cap removed are out there playing the game rather than listening to this BS.

Exactly.

On all my characters, I see in local channel that new players ask why is there a stupid SP cap? They are like I did decent last match, why did I get 50SP? It not just one or two people complaining, it's everybody.

Only players who want it are the self entitled players who work and do other things and think they should have exactly the same SP as player who play all day. Sounds like communism to me, we all know how that has worked out.

I felt jipped off because I'm forced to play my matches to hit my SP cap each day.

How do you think I'll feel if I know that no amount of hours I have free in a day will match the no lifers?

If this goes through, I'm changing my mind about throwing $20-$40 a month at you guys for AUR. I won't be a part of supporting such a garbage decision by paying for boosters.

This decision just shows that all you really care about is money. It's just like the monocle incident all over again. You're just looking for ways to keep people addicted to boosters, and what better way then to reward people who never leave their couch.

How you guys thought this is a good idea is actually beyond me. Worst decision out of the Beta.



Self entitled, lmfao. I'm sorry that some of us can't be slaves to a game so we can stroke our epeen for everyone to see. You shouldn't be rewarded and elevated above everyone else because you're 12 or a welfare mooch.