I will make it sort:


Rollings SP cap > Weekly SP cap >>>Daily SP cap >>>>>>>>> No SP cap at all.



The reasons, have been stated by all the people above me a thousand times. So please, don't go out of your way to choose the worst option of all. (Hint: The worst option is no SP cap at all)

Thanks for the reply Wang, and the only advice I can give is a weekly rolling cap.

[CCP]nothin just said on IRC this change isnt making it in today. Hopefully it wont. ever.

I will make it sort:


Rollings SP cap > Weekly SP cap >>>Daily SP cap >>>>>>>>> No SP cap at all.



The reasons, have been stated by all the people above me a thousand times. So please, don't go out of your way to choose the worst option of all. (Hint: The worst option is no SP cap at all)

Honestly, I dont see the problem.

In a years time you may have 20m SP. Some stating 0 Sp. They will never catch up.

Same is true of the uncapped system.

After your base character is built the extra SP will just let you play the game in different ways. It wont let you be less competitive.

People wont b getting 'ahead' of you. People with more SP will just be able to diversify more.

I wont be grinding 24/7. But I may buy a booster for a weekend or something now, which I would never have done. As at the moment the only thing I would pay for this game is the UVT.

Removing the cap altogether sounds like a really bad idea and quite unfair to the casual gamers.

A rolling SP cap would be nice though.

The right way to do "no cap":

1) Vast majority of sp comes from passive.
2) You do NOT get sp for time spent in game, only from WP earned.

Reasons: Rewarding, but not incentive for extended grind. No farming sp by afking.

Except with no cap, your late come will have a lot more way to go to catch up. When a SP system capped with a roll-over SP bank system would allow a guy to catch up with some people that all had kinda the same evolution.

And what you say about extra SP over say 10Mil being just a way to make your character more versatile, i agree. BUT, it's part of the game to choose your first specialization with care, and the second as well. For some people, it will just be a matter of a couple of week depending on how much they would lower the 1sec = 5 SP thing.

Thus it takes something off the game imo. Worrying about choosing your skill wisely is as much important as being self-sufficient with ISK. Worrying about making the good choices so your corp has a good balance in profile is another part of the game. That's gonna disappear soon if it's SP-a-Looza.

You know, I find it kinda funni. I think ppl that want a roll over cap just don't want to be left behind in the dust because they only have weekends to grind, and thats what they'll do......grind the hell outa the weekends, honestly those ppl are prob worse then the so called "basement dwellers" cuz they'll wait for the last day of the rollover and grind away.....totally taking from the casual players, and why shouldn't we be rewarded for our effort in game? aka amount of war points we get, how good we did in the game? so everyone thats wanting some form of cap heres my question, are you wanting this to simply be able to keep up with the rest of the community because you won't earn enough war points in matches to stay ahead? Obviously your going to grind the roll over sp at some point in time right? if your only getting 200 WP per game why the douche should you be able to keep up with me at 1500+ WP per match? you don't have to be good at this game for WP's so thats not it, and I understand ppl have things to do during the most part of the day, but what is this gunna change? since before the wipe I started playing again a week before the wipe, when everyone had their proto gear ect, and I STILL went 25-3 ect. STILL got tons of WP no matter what level of suits you had on the field......so why do you find it so unfair because you can't keep up or get the points? idk wierd, I'd rather get what I earned instead of being equal and capping out with some of you fools at the same level, aka my lil bro may get.....rarly heimdallr69 say 800 wp's and i get 1900 wp's but we get the same sp return..........so I did over double the WP work for the team to win, but I should be punished because the QQ's wouldn't be able to catch up. pfff.

I agree with you about choosing your skill wisely. And I feel really sorry for a lot of people who are going to put SP all over the place like I did when I first joined, or to try things out and there is no reset. Glad I was in a beta to be reset and try stuff out. As you know Corps will pick people on how they ant to specialise in the game. This wont change

But I still think that after 6 months the SP cap or no cap it shouldn't really matter too much to us. The longest we had before a reset was what just under 2 months? And a base character could easily be built in that time. What will it be like in 6 months?

I just dont think we will get left behind? Its about diversification.

CCP can never win this debate. Hence why I reckon they decide to cut the 'gordian knot'.

That's exactly what happend with the weekly cap. After 2 month, i was 10-15% Sp behind my most invested corp mates. And i wouldnt complain as they made the effort to get to the last SP of that weekly cap, every week ! They deserved that slight amount SP over me.

But without cap. Over the same period of time, it would have been something like 60% more SP.

It's all about freakin balance !

Ok.

1) Learn to make a decent post.
2) Come back in twenty kilos, 10-15 years, and with a job, house, family.

Also, no one ever said the current system is perfect. The "1 sec = 5 SP" in battle is way too high. tweaking that value and keeping the cap would probably be a good start.

What's the problem ? people arent rewared for doing well in battle as an afk dude will earn as much. Then just kill the Afk part of the cap. Let's just do math without that part but with the current cap.

So, current cap is 27200 SP. You get 1 SP per WP. Say you'd get 1SP per second in the battle.
For a 15 min battle, afk SP would get you 900 SP. Guy who usually does 1800 WP would earn 2700 SP and the "noob" with 200 WP would win 1100 SP. There you got a reward.

With that kind of rate, it would require around 10 games to cap for a good player. Around 30 games for a not so good player. Thus people wouldnt reach cap every day. HArder players would and thus create a gap day after day.

That's exactly what happend with the weekly cap. After 2 month, i was 10-15% Sp behind my most invested corp mates. And i wouldnt complain as they made the effort to get to the last SP of that weekly cap, every week ! They deserved that slight amount SP over me.

But without cap. Over the same period of time, it would have been something like 60% more SP.

It's all about freakin balance !

What you're forgetting is that the current skills, weapons etc.. arent final. The game will have extensions, new stuff to do etc.. And that open grind will come back to be a problem more than once. New stuff will be grinded away by the guys who grinded the most before etc.. etc... etc..

There has to be a middle ground between "every one on the same level" and "you there, get as much as you want'

Maintain the current system, but include SP rollover and increase the gratis xp from 50 to 700 or so (incentive enough to continue playing sans meaningful corporate warfare, but low enough to ensure not too much of an advantage can be gained) and you're on the money in my opinion.

I think the cap we have now would be fine with a roll over system for those that can't cap every day to catch up on days off. Increase the consolation to 1000 sp (enough to make a difference over several matches for those that play a lot) and reduce the time spent in battle to 1wp/second instead of 5wp/second.

No cap at all is just crazy. It will kill this game for players that don't have hours and hours to devote to gaming.

So with this rolling cap, we talking at the end of say 7 days if you don't use whats rolled over then you lose the sp? or do you hang on to it forever?