I read your post.

I disagree with you.

I'm not "QQ" because I am stating my opinion and it happens to disagree with yours. As do the majority of posters so far. Don't get "salty" because you're in the minority, now.

Nearly ALL players new to DUST will be low WP earners.
How many will stick it out to earn enough SP to become average?

Your point is an instanced detail and has no place in my argument.

Furthermore on the subject, let me say this;

I will NOT BE PURCHASING ANY AURUM in this game if this idea is implemented. If the end goal of CCP is to create a game that entices players to spend money for in game items and skill points, removing the skill point cap and flat-lining all the items makes advancing my character or having "good loot" a moot point.

Nearly ALL players new to DUST will be low WP earners.
How many will stick it out to earn enough SP to become average?

It is my guess that an average player can hold their own with as little as 2 million SP. Most people trying out the game should be able to get to 2 Million in a month.

No its not instanced. A fully decked out skilled player merely has enough health to claim he is still alive. They get an edge but can die just as easily.

Its an fps for Christs sake people died for stupider reasons. So you have to fire 1 or two more bullets. Big whoop.

The point still stands that head shots still 1 shot, OBs still one shot, grenades still one shot and lastly tanks still one shot.

Learn to aim, learn to relay hard targets to your heavy arms teammates and learn to coordinate effort.

You are far more optimistic than I am. New players will look at the cost of the skill tree, compare that to their 2-3k SP per day and opt to play PS2 instead. No new blood, no huge player base.

Look this hole thing is over whether or not we want people to be stronger than us. People will be stronger no matter what and dust does a decent job of balancing itself without the skill cap as the diffrence between equipment is not that great and leaves plenty of room for skillled player or players working as a team to kill the best gear lonewolfing even though they were in gear as bad as militia gear. The sp cap was an answer to cod babies who were used to everything being handed to them and wind for eqality on the forums. Now with that note im not entirely against the idea of the sp cap to slow ones progression ass without it in the 3days ive been playing I could possible be in advance gear already I just dont agree with the sp caps method. In my oppinion the skill payout should be lowered and skillpoint required to upgrade skills hired to the point that it may take 2 weeks of pure grind to get a decent standard suit fit.

Mabey my idea sounds a little overboard to some but the main idea is not to cut people off but instead keep giving but make them work and increase the grind so relitivly a dust mec proto gear is practically a capital ship in eve. Just tweek the sp payouts and sp requirements to make the grind longer.

Now befor I get rampaged by people wishing for eqality well give it up in eve I got 40 mill sp will go out to pvp and can verywell make a 200sp player cry just as in dust a militia suit can kill a proto u just have to be dam smart and hope he aint a match. After all bytime some newbies join were running around in dropships and **** so dont try to hinder there progress by a cap if they grindmore then u so be it theyll catch up and if u grind more ull stay ahead eather way theres new blood to fight against as the instant battle picks ur battles (or is suppose to) based on the amount of sp u got creating matches where everyone is fairly even sp wise as for skill or gear that depends on how u play. In corp matches ur risking throwing a noob into a bunch of adv heavies but hell in a corp battle u took the contract and should be operating as a team in any case.

I hope this thread stops here and ccp ends the cap

Look this hole thing is over whether or not we want people to be stronger than us. People will be stronger no matter what and dust does a decent job of balancing itself without the skill cap as the diffrence between equipment is not that great and leaves plenty of room for skillled player or players working as a team to kill the best gear lonewolfing even though they were in gear as bad as militia gear. The sp cap was an answer to cod babies who were used to everything being handed to them and wind for eqality on the forums. Now with that note im not entirely against the idea of the sp cap to slow ones progression ass without it in the 3days ive been playing I could possible be in advance gear already I just dont agree with the sp caps method. In my oppinion the skill payout should be lowered and skillpoint required to upgrade skills hired to the point that it may take 2 weeks of pure grind to get a decent standard suit fit.

Mabey my idea sounds a little overboard to some but the main idea is not to cut people off but instead keep giving but make them work and increase the grind so relitivly a dust mec proto gear is practically a capital ship in eve. Just tweek the sp payouts and sp requirements to make the grind longer.

Now befor I get rampaged by people wishing for eqality well give it up in eve I got 40 mill sp will go out to pvp and can verywell make a 200sp player cry just as in dust a militia suit can kill a proto u just have to be dam smart and hope he aint a match. After all bytime some newbies join were running around in dropships and **** so dont try to hinder there progress by a cap if they grindmore then u so be it theyll catch up and if u grind more ull stay ahead eather way theres new blood to fight against as the instant battle picks ur battles (or is suppose to) based on the amount of sp u got creating matches where everyone is fairly even sp wise as for skill or gear that depends on how u play. In corp matches ur risking throwing a noob into a bunch of adv heavies but hell in a corp battle u took the contract and should be operating as a team in any case.

I hope this thread stops here and ccp ends the cap

People who think in game skills don't make a difference and only real world skill makes the difference are delusional.

Whatever. If the change goes through, I'll keep playing, but CCP won't see another dime from me, at least not in DUST anyways.

These impatient kids who can't appreciate the beauty of slow progression are irritating to say the least, and the fact that CCP is even considering pandering to them, is upsetting at best.

You are far more optimistic than I am. New players will look at the cost of the skill tree, compare that to their 2-3k SP per day and opt to play PS2 instead. No new blood, no huge player base.

I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed.

The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation.

Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk.

We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary.

Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first.

We look forward to hearing from you!

Why would you be willing to pay money for a booster when their is a cap and not willing to buy one when there is not a cap. If there is no cap then the booster is a better value for you....is it truly only the fact that most gamers dont like their games to take months-years for them to get anywhere?

My suggestion is have a max SP for charecter based on time since creation... everyday the charecter is active your charecters max skill points increases.

This is actually perfect, it enforces a max daily SP cap on try hards, while leaving no one behind if they miss a few games. This is actually the best solution I've heard, too bad it's buried in this mess, so simple yet so perfect.

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Why should I care about paying to increase how much SP I have, when I know that I will LITERALLY never catch up to no lifers, no matter what I do? They'll be using boosters too, and getting miles and miles and miles ahead.
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I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed.

The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation.

Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk.

We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary.

Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first.

We look forward to hearing from you!

I will make it short:


Rollings SP cap > Weekly SP cap >>>Daily SP cap >>>>>>>>> No SP cap at all.



The reasons, have been stated by all the people above me a thousand times. So please, don't go out of your way to choose the worst option of all. (Hint: The worst option is no SP cap at all)

removing the cap the WORST IDEA EVER. Leave progression as is, where we actually feel like we have to work for something.

1. Ever players gets 24,000 SP per day in Passive SP
2. I am guessing that with the new 1WP = 1SP plus you still get SP for time in game (although lower than current rate) that a average player will still get 1,500 SP per match.