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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:47:00 -
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Dat feeling when two ideas you had months ago are finding their way into the game (scan falloff and equipment bandwidth).
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:52:00 -
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So with this idea in place, could you please increase STD and ADV logistics to their full PRO equipment count?
There would still be a reason to skill up to PRO, but STD and ADV logis wouldn't be so limited in their equipment choice.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:53:00 -
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Another idea on top: A module that increases equipment bandwidth, sacrificing a bit of your suit to increase your support powah.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:55:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Can the Sentinel be given the same band width as an Assault, even though the Sentinel does not have an equipment slot?
In Pub matches were no one is dropping Uplinks, I am sometimes forced to switch to another fit to place some uplinks. Once that is done I spawn in again in my preferred Sentinel fit after dying or finding a Supply Depot.
If the Sentinel has no bandwidth I will be stuck playing a suit that has bandwidth in these situations, because my team needs an uplink or they will be red-lined.
Exactly. The idea that if you want uplinks or ammo around "not only you must be a amarr or caldari Logi, you must only be these logis and anytime you are not one of these logis all of your stuff will die" Why would i want to restrict myself to just these suits every match? The example given only works out in the Gal facility, otherwise i do want my friend who threw down some uplinks to change suits to fight at the point because we need him there. I do want to be flexible enough to say "right, we formed a good battle line with hives and links but the red are pushing, i'll repawn as a heavy to hold tight, or an assualt/commando to hit em from range, or a scout to flank" without having to choose between perma running one suit to have any sort of equipment available to the team. I donGÇÖt mind so much having Bandwidth difference for Logi. Bandwidth will be GÇ£their thingGÇ¥. Someone who wants to play the Logi role will be fine with playing a Logi the whole match. They can still add their gun to the fight. What it will discourage is people who play other roles having a Logi Uplink fit that they use to seed an area and then switch to their main suit. I do this, and I will miss it, but as long as all suits have the bandwidth for a couple of pieces of equipment you can still deploy a few critical pieces of equipment, if you are not a Logi specialist. Which leads me back to a point I have been making. All non-logi suits (including Sentinel) should have the same Bandwidth, because Bandwidth is a Logi thing, and it should be kept simple for us non-logi.
I find it very fitting for scouts to not have as much bandwidth as the Assault or Commando.
We are limited by having 1 equipment slot, scouts having 2 makes them tread dangerously to Logi territory, and as such should have slightly stricter bandwidth.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:20:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Can the Sentinel be given the same band width as an Assault, even though the Sentinel does not have an equipment slot?
In Pub matches were no one is dropping Uplinks, I am sometimes forced to switch to another fit to place some uplinks. Once that is done I spawn in again in my preferred Sentinel fit after dying or finding a Supply Depot.
If the Sentinel has no bandwidth I will be stuck playing a suit that has bandwidth in these situations, because my team needs an uplink or they will be red-lined.
Exactly. The idea that if you want uplinks or ammo around "not only you must be a amarr or caldari Logi, you must only be these logis and anytime you are not one of these logis all of your stuff will die" Why would i want to restrict myself to just these suits every match? The example given only works out in the Gal facility, otherwise i do want my friend who threw down some uplinks to change suits to fight at the point because we need him there. I do want to be flexible enough to say "right, we formed a good battle line with hives and links but the red are pushing, i'll repawn as a heavy to hold tight, or an assualt/commando to hit em from range, or a scout to flank" without having to choose between perma running one suit to have any sort of equipment available to the team. I donGÇÖt mind so much having Bandwidth difference for Logi. Bandwidth will be GÇ£their thingGÇ¥. Someone who wants to play the Logi role will be fine with playing a Logi the whole match. They can still add their gun to the fight. What it will discourage is people who play other roles having a Logi Uplink fit that they use to seed an area and then switch to their main suit. I do this, and I will miss it, but as long as all suits have the bandwidth for a couple of pieces of equipment you can still deploy a few critical pieces of equipment, if you are not a Logi specialist. Which leads me back to a point I have been making. All non-logi suits (including Sentinel) should have the same Bandwidth, because Bandwidth is a Logi thing, and it should be kept simple for us non-logi. I find it very fitting for scouts to not have as much bandwidth as the Assault or Commando. We are limited by having 1 equipment slot, scouts having 2 makes them tread dangerously to Logi territory, and as such should have slightly stricter bandwidth. WouldnGÇÖt giving them the SAME Bandwidth as a suit with only 1 equipment slot already do that? Why make Bandwidth complicated for non-logi?
Not really, we have more bandwidth than we actually need for one equipment.
Giving scouts the same amount would make them slightly too free with equipment, at least in my opinion.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:37:00 -
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We would need clear UI to tell us bandwidth information.
It needs to not clutter our screen, so only make it active when we have equipment out, and it should tell us these things:
Total bandwidth on the suit
Bandwidth currently used
List of equipment deployed, the bottom equipment being destroyed in the case of bandwidth overload
Currently held equipment
How much the currently held equipment will take from said bar
I have made an illustration of what I mean (Excuse my very basic knowledge of photoshop):
http://i.imgur.com/l4n5ef9.jpg - Enough bandwidth to drop equipment
http://i.imgur.com/XmeNLg5.jpg - Not enough bandwidth to drop equipment
In the equipment list, green is the item not yet deployed, blue are the deployed items, and red is the item that will be destroyed upon deployment of green.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:48:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
Yes, you made a decision to sacrifice one advantage for another, or you can choose to not do that. That's kind of the point.
For a scout yes, its which peice of quipment do i carry while i'm slaying. A scouts bonus isn't tied to equippment save a cloak. For any player running a logi, you have to sacrifice every other suit your specced into just to keep uplinks/nanohives up. The changes drastically restrict anybody running a logi to one suit. Any player not running deployables can switch between a scout, heavy, logi, assault, commando. Any amarr logi can only run amarr logi, and lose everything if he spawns anything other but an amarr logi. What has been taken into consideration to negate this?
We can switch to a scout, heavy, log, assault and commando while giving up the strengths and weaknesses of our previous suit for the strengths and weaknesses of a new suit.
Logis are no different, their strength being a lot of equipment, weakness being general combat ability.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.12.01 15:54:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:
Hey Rattati, just to be clear. I appreciate all your hard work so far on improving the dust experience.
But seriously, this change will punish all players who have skilled into logi without regarding themselves as Pure logis (i.e. never using other frames).
I could live with those changes, if EQ below BW would not be DESTROYED but DEACTIVATED, until a suit with enough BW is spawned again.
This would allow Logis to change into another role without sacrificing all the strategic work he did before. This is very important for every player who places EQ strategically instead of just at the nearest supply depot!
That all ASSault players and lol scouts ignore this fact is part of the "He's a logi, so he better bring our stuff and get out of the way!" attitude of the general populae in DUST. So the only ones dependent on Logis will be heavies... and even they will be fine if the stuff get's dropped by assaults instead...
I think if you keep the changes, at least make all repping EQ (hives and repper) Logi only. So that not everybody and his mom can do the stuff the logis are supposed to do.
Cheers
So, do you also expect an Assault to keep the two light weapons when he switches from a Commando?
Or maybe the HMG when he switches from a Sentinel?
Hmm, why not the cloak too when switching from the Scout?
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