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zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 357	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:51:00 - [1] - Quote Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong.
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:55:00 - [2] - Quote "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:56:00 - [3] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Do me a favor: Go to youtube, search for 2012 dust keynotes fanfest presentation. Watch the video - notice something? Like all the stuff coming out in 2013 that never did and are now going to be on a different platform completely? Do you remember, "LASER FOCUSED ON PS3" Stop being a fanboy. Didn't read your post btw. But the line "Only on a ps3 forum would you get away without being... blah blah" was pretty stupid, do you even internet, bro?
Force Seventrum Negative-Impact The East India Co. 19	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:57:00 - [4] - Quote TL:DR! But at the first thing. I spoke at a german community gathering at last gamecscom with @CCP_Praetorian. And I talked about future platforms. And he was like: "I can say nothing BUT you wont be dissapointed smile" So now on fanfest he deliverd. So yeah. They deliver. And this was in August 2013 Green Light EVE:Legion!
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 555	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:58:00 - [5] - Quote I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely. The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 357	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:58:00 - [6] - Quote inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point?
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 584	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:58:00 - [7] - Quote the issue was the lack of infomation. this lead to players feeling like they were going to losse all thier work. butyou knew this already and are just trolling. oh and pve.... that was promised.. blueberrys may be dumb but they arnt ai...
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1870	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 - [8] - Quote I hope you die. Who wants some?
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 478	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote Hmm lets see 1. 10 year vision for Dust- They said the game would be updated and improved continually for a decade. 2.Racial parity for vehicles and weapons- never happened. 3. PVE- Never happened 4. Ran Aurum events on a dying game- technically not a lie, but it is shady and misleading. 5."LAZOR FOCUSED ON PS3" 6. Fighters and jetbikes 7. Commander mode- Never came out 8. Player market- Never came out 9. Huge maps- Never came out Thats all I can think of in three minutes. Im sure if I went back and watched fanjets from last year I could find at least ten more My reaction to Legion
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 271	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 - [10] - Quote A lie of omission is still a lie.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4417	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:02:00 - [11] - Quote Seriously Mr Apologist? Just watch a few Dust514 trailers and take note of all the stuff that will never come to Dust514. Every one is a broken promise. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7963	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:02:00 - [12] - Quote I'm not going to read through all of this at the moment, but after skimming through I will say this: DUST Players will show some class and respect when CCP shows and earns some respect. I'm not sure how your parents raised/are raising you, but I'm pretty sure most people were taught that they have to earn respect before they recive it. Also, one of the many broken promises is a Player Market. This may or may not be applicable, but I'll just link this video here inb4 The Lock!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 51	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:04:00 - [13] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? No, they promised it for console. You really need to go youtube what I told you too before you make yourself any dumber then you already are. CCP has been lying for a very, long time.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 357	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:05:00 - [14] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely. The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game. I agree that the way it was presented was not sensitive to what the reaction would be. But COME ON people! They're Icelandic neckbeards that stare at screens all day and fiddle with code! Yes, they should have better PR but they've basically come out and said, "Oops! Yeah we didn't answer some really obvious, glaring questions right up front. Sorry about that. Now that it's ONE DAY since then, we'll clear all that stuff up. Oh, and we really want your feedback as we move forward and want the community to be involved in developing the next evolution of DUST." What do y'all do in real life when someone says, "Oops sorry!" a day after they got you all twisted and then do their best to clear up the misunderstanding?" Slap them in the face and say "YOU BETRAYED ME!!! I"M NOT YOUR FRIEND ANYMORE!!!"
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1870	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:08:00 - [15] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely. The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game. I agree that the way it was presented was not sensitive to what the reaction would be. But COME ON people! They're Icelandic neckbeards that stare at screens all day and fiddle with code! Yes, they should have better PR but they've basically come out and said, "Oops! Yeah we didn't answer some really obvious, glaring questions right up front. Sorry about that. Now that it's ONE DAY since then, we'll clear all that stuff up. Oh, and we really want your feedback as we move forward and want the community to be involved in developing the next evolution of DUST." What do y'all do in real life when someone says, "Oops sorry!" a day after they got you all twisted and then do their best to clear up the misunderstanding?" Slap them in the face and say "YOU BETRAYED ME!!! I"M NOT YOUR FRIEND ANYMORE!!!" I say "sorry don't pay the bills". Then I fold them in half with a solid shot to the solar plexus. Who wants some?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8366	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:10:00 - [16] - Quote Eve Online Incarna Expansion in 2011. According to Fanfest 2011, the Incarna expansion was suppose to usher in the era of walking in stations, avatars hanging out in public areas and corporate rooms while setting up markets in public areas and black markets. What did Incarna bring? A room no bigger than my garage that I can't walk out of. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1596	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:10:00 - [17] - Quote Why is it when I read the OP I kept hearing the sound of a pastey Icelandic man being sucked off? Anyways, the OP and the rest of the Legion crew are free to believe and do as they please, the rest of us are also free to be mad at CCP, not spend money with CCP, and generally **** with CCP and their supporters Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 942	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:11:00 - [18] - Quote Dont worry anti-Legion crowd they said "laser focused on PC" during this years progression keynote... We're doomed!!!
Force Seventrum Negative-Impact The East India Co. 21	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:11:00 - [19] - Quote Yes they lied! But for the greater good. I m quite sure this was like a legal excuse on this exclusive contract hing with sony... But nobody knows. Green Light EVE:Legion!
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 584	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:12:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm not going to read through all of this at the moment, but after skimming through I will say this: DUST Players will show some class and respect when CCP shows and earns some respect. I'm not sure how your parents raised/are raising you, but I'm pretty sure most people were taught that they have to earn respect before they recive it. Also, one of the many broken promises is a Player Market. This may or may not be applicable, but I'll just link this video here personaly i belive respect is given until proven it shouldnt be. and well thats what im teaching my kids. if you dont show other people respect why should they respect you. what ccp pulled was stupid. i dont think they thought it out first. they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all and they did finally get there.

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2920	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:12:00 - [21] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? Heres just one glaring flaw in your logic, they promised those things for Dust 514 and not for EVE Legion
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1128	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 - [22] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? it's a different game, brah. CCP said so themselves, over and over. Dust and Legion are different games. Legion will probably be a really amazing game, but everything that CCP said will be in Dust was a lie. You're not stupid enough to be as stupid as your OP. You're just a troll. Yes, CCP will make a shooter that connects seamlessly with EvE. No, it won't be Dust even though they said for the past 2 years that it would be Dust. Yes, Dust will continue to be "supported". No, that doesn't mean content, it means bare minimum to meet their contract with Sony. Markdown:
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 - [23] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? Maybe you need to reread my post 5 more times so you could get my point
Alina Heart DEST1NY AWAITS 474	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 - [24] - Quote God, just after reading the first sentence I had a feeling you were a CCP nuthugger. When I scrolled down and saw you wrote half a page defending CCP's obvious scam I knew for sure. ==============[ !.GÇó°¤(`Gÿà´)* GÖÑ -à+ü+¿+¦-à +ª¦¦-à+Ö¦« GÖÑ *(´Gÿà`)¤°GÇó.! ]===========
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 358	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 - [25] - Quote You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 294	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:17:00 - [26] - Quote I'll just leave this here Quote: sammus420 wrote: I have some concerns. What happened to the Vita App and the Player Maket? The Dust website clearly states Dust 514 will have both. Quote: DUST 514 brings a vibrant economy to the world of console shooters, featuring a player-driven online market In addition, DUST 514 will feature a PlayStation-«Vita companion app that directly interacts with the game world How about 24v24 battles? Your FAQ states we'll have those as well. Quote: DUST 514 can support 24v24 matches in a single battle in a single district on a single planet, and there can be multiple battles on a planet happening simultaneously, impacting each other in real time. The scale of DUST 514 is unprecedented. Oh, and how about shooting down space ships? Quote: DUST 514 players will be able to use weapons from the ground to deal damage to spacecraft above. Oh, and here's one of my favorite quotes from a dev log: Quote: The merging of EVE and DUST provides opportunities for socialization far beyond what most MMOs are able to offer simply by virtue of the fact that New Eden will soon be populated by players with vastly different roles, but similar agendas. And, we believe, the universe will be better for it. Because, for better or worse, every minute spent in the EVE setting should mean something. What happened to that?
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 358	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:21:00 - [27] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: God, just after reading the first sentence I had a feeling you were a CCP nuthugger. When I scrolled down and saw you wrote half a page defending CCP's obvious scam I knew for sure. Statements like this have no substance. It seems many of you can't bear to read more than a twitter feed, but sometimes it takes a few paragraphs to make a solid point. Most of these responses have no more substance than "Nuh uhhhh!!!" If it's such an obvious scam then lay it out for me.
THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:24:00 - [28] - Quote "ONE UNIVERSE/ONE SERVER" From an Email sent a long time ago.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 358	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:25:00 - [29] - Quote Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1432	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:28:00 - [30] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? On dust, on ps3 not pc, I'd better leave...

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 177	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:28:00 - [31] - Quote Name one promise CCP made about Dust that they did not break? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7968	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:29:00 - [32] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN. "Y'all just mad, CCP didn't break any promises!" *20 Different People list promises that CCP broke* "Y'all just mad that you don't have a PC!" #GarbleGarble inb4 The Lock!
THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:30:00 - [33] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN. We have built more PC's than you have IQ points.
ISuperstar DIOS X. II 236	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:44:00 - [34] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promise... Thats exactly the ***** point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future! We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!! Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ***** platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them. Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust! Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey.
Rugudorull Apophicyria Be Just or Be Dead 64	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:51:00 - [35] - Quote Still waiting on that rolling sp cap Vita app too
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 2406	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:54:00 - [36] - Quote Mechs. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 358	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:54:00 - [37] - Quote Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is: DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled DUST will move to PC = Betrayal What I'm seeing is that every statement that is considered to be a lie is not thought to be so because they don't intend to carry it out but rather because they intend to do so on the PC platform....even though that's the only way they can actually do most of the things things they promised to do. I guess that's where some of us will just have to agree to disagree. You see it as a betrayal and a scam. I see it as a practical necessity in order to develop the game properly. If this kind of change gets you this worked up, prepare for a lifetime of disappointment and feeling betrayed a lot. Sh*t happens and you move forward. Sometimes things don't go the way we intend them to, despite good intentions. They hit a wall with PS3 and decided to go around it instead of just sit down and make camp. As for "scams", bad intentions, and taking advantage of the customer, if the fact that the future is on PC instead of PS3 is your grounds for such talk, sorry but it doesn't hold water. Play a better DUST on PC (with all your stuff intact) and be thankful for how much better it is, or go play another game. The End.
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 767	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:57:00 - [38] - Quote Didn't a member of CCP talk sarcastically when someone asked about Dust being on a "dying" platform. I do believe his response was "yeah,but there were 80 million sold". He even had this look of "are you and idiot?" to go along with his sarcastic tone.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 619	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:58:00 - [39] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? Dust 514 is going to be on PC? Awesome. I thought they were going yo make a different game called Legion. I'm glad you resolved that. Because, that's why.
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1658	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:58:00 - [40] - Quote I have only one thing to say AAA Shooter lulz PSN - ShallowGravez - Destiny here we come...

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2103	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:59:00 - [41] - Quote Shut up stupid OP https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2122628#post2122628 PSN: ogamega Not providing feedback or suggestions till a big SONY and PS4 logo appears under Legion
ISuperstar DIOS X. II 238	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:01:00 - [42] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is: DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled DUST will move to PC = Betrayal What I'm seeing is that every statement that is considered to be a lie is not thought to be so because they don't intend to carry it out but rather because they intend to do so on the PC platform....even though that's the only way they can actually do most of the things things they promised to do. I guess that's where some of us will just have to agree to disagree. You see it as a betrayal and a scam. I see it as a practical necessity in order to develop the game properly. If this kind of change gets you this worked up, prepare for a lifetime of disappointment and feeling betrayed a lot. Sh*t happens and you move forward. Sometimes things don't go the way we intend them to, despite good intentions. They hit a wall with PS3 and decided to go around it instead of just sit down and make camp. As for "scams", bad intentions, and taking advantage of the customer, if the fact that the future is on PC instead of PS3 is your grounds for such talk, sorry but it doesn't hold water. Play a better DUST on PC (with all your stuff intact) and be thankful for how much better it is, or go play another game. The End. Nuthugger Indeed
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 185	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:03:00 - [43] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is: DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled DUST will move to PC = Betrayal See this is how everyone knows you have no argument. #1 Dust isn't getting moved, it is getting killed. As per CCP "Dust and LEgion are 100% seperate games" #2 I think most were expecting DUST to move, i.e. keeping your corps/characters/isk/sp. No one thought it was going to stay on Ps3 forever. Claiming anyone thought differently than #2 is a bald face lie, a way for you to even have an argument when you actually do not. It is called a strawman. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5397	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:07:00 - [44] - Quote What promises did they break? 1. "Laser focused on PS3" - they were directly telling us that still WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE TEAM WAS WORKING ON THE NEW PC PROJECT INSTEAD OF THE PS3 GAME. 2. New content coming for PS3. This was promised many times over, including specific statements that the PS3 would be seeing "lots" of new content after 1.8 with ONCE AGAIN the entire plan being to focus on Legion at the time and ignore PS3 apart from minor balance tweaks and bug fixes. 3. Sony's Playstation 4 presentation included the future development of DUST 514 on that platform as a work in progress. While it's possible that WAS still the plan at the time, AS SOON AS THAT CHANGED, not telling us was a lie of omission, and pushing for us to buy more content involved USING THE EXPECTATION OF THE UPCOMING PS4 VERSION to support those sales. That makes it false advertising as well as a broken promise. I know you only asked for one, but you got 3. Satisfied?
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7972	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:08:00 - [45] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: What promises did they break? 1. "Laser focused on PS3" - they were directly telling us that still WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE TEAM WAS WORKING ON THE NEW PC PROJECT INSTEAD OF THE PS3 GAME. 2. New content coming for PS3. This was promised many times over, including specific statements that the PS3 would be seeing "lots" of new content after 1.8 with ONCE AGAIN the entire plan being to focus on Legion at the time and ignore PS3 apart from minor balance tweaks and bug fixes. 3. Sony's Playstation 4 presentation included the future development of DUST 514 on that platform as a work in progress. While it's possible that WAS still the plan at the time, AS SOON AS THAT CHANGED, not telling us was a lie of omission, and pushing for us to buy more content involved USING THE EXPECTATION OF THE UPCOMING PS4 VERSION to support those sales. That makes it false advertising as well as a broken promise. I know you only asked for one, but you got 3. Satisfied? inb4 The Lock!
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 43	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:08:00 - [46] - Quote ITT: Entitled manchildren. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 359	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:11:00 - [47] - Quote ISuperstar wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promise... Thats exactly the ***** point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future! We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!! Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ***** platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them. Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust! Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey. They still say they don't have any plans on abandoning the console in the near future. And when Legion is released on PC you'll be able to transfer over your character with all his stuff intact. Do you want to play DUST as it was meant to be played? Then when the time comes, buy a PC (doesn't have to be top of the line) and play it. Not that important to you to play a better DUST? Sweet, go play another game on console. Everyone is taking this so personally as if CCP are like fascists declaring the supremacy of the PC Master Race and putting patches on the arms of all console players so that they can be identified as untouchable. Puh-lease!!! It has nothing to do with that! They're making the change purely because of technical limitations of the PS3! If DUST stays on the PS3 it's development will eventually reach the limits of the platform and then DUST will slowly die. They had to make the change because of hardware, software, Sony getting in the way...these kinds of things. The fact that they were committed to PS3 before means that they were optimistic and trying to make it work on PS3. It also shows their lack of foresight in contingency planning for the possibility that PS3 wouldn't work long term. That's a lot different from a LIE. And honestly, even if there was some douche among their decision makers that wasn't forthcoming when he should have been, I really don't care. I don't need devs to be moral saints. I need them to work hard to make DUST great. That's what they're trying to do, so I'm content. And by the way, when Legion comes out on PC, I will have to buy a new rig and I will do so happily.
Poppa Smurfff The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 26	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:15:00 - [48] - Quote what i was promised for dust since start of closed beta was: huge battlefilelds MTACs Jets Commander Suit Piloit Suit the ability to buy turret installations and decide where to put em Paint bucket Weapon accessories all racial vehicles randomly generated maps more game modes a moving MCC Heavy aircaft An APC Command centre Player market the rest of the heavy weapons more suits Thats all i can think of at the top of my head. Some of these were even listed in game with COMING SOONtm and were even listed in the loading screen.
elric the enchanter xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 385	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:15:00 - [49] - Quote Broken promises and badly handled PR aside, it's forced me and many of the great friends I've made through Dust, to make a very difficult decision. Stick with a fun game & it's potential future incarnation, many having to purchase a PC just to run it? Or stick with amazing friends who have no way of achieving that? Basically, I know VERY few who will, or who can follow onto PC, so with a heavy heart, despite the immense fun we've had here, & even getting me into recording/utube... many of us will stick with Dust till the doors close... but then it's friendships first & foremost after that. Cosmic Void Minister of Silly Weapons Heinz Guderian predicted Tank514
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1130	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:19:00 - [50] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN. WTF is wrong with you? A platform shift isn't something that casually happens all the time, numbnuts. It's not the same game, its a sequel. What if Bungie had decided one day to announce that Halo was only going to be on the Playstation from now on? XBox owners would have been ripshit. Halo is half the reason to buy an XBox. THE REASON PEOPLE ARE PISSED IS BECAUSE CCP SAID PS3 BUT RECENTLY CHANGED THEIR MINDS. Just because you personally aren't affected doesn't mean that hundreds of other people weren't. People are mad because they spent hundreds of dollars to buy BPOs and Aurum in DUST, but that ** doesn't matter anymore. Maybe they will try to transfer that stuff, but who knows? It's a game that hasn't been made yet. They have no clue. Meanwhile everyone who has SP boosters left in DUST got butt **** out of actual dollars, since this game is ending and a new one is starting. Let's say were to buy $100 worth of aurum on your Legion account, and then CCP announces that OOPS Legion isn't coming out on PC anymore, it's coming out on iOS. And none of your stuff is good anymore. What then? Markdown:

BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:23:00 - [51] - Quote 1. Racial Vehicles (HAVs , LAVs & Dropships) 2. Speeders. 3. Jets 4. APCs 5. Pilot Suits 6. Commander Suits. 7. Open market 8. Pve aka "Rogue drones" 9. Deploy turrets and other stuff while you re on battle. 10. Other types of turrets (EM, etc..) 11. Instalations 12. Industry 13. MTACs (but I dont see that as a promise) 14. Something like a fitting system for weapons to have the chance to add diferent Aims to the weapons. 15. "tractor beams" Like the webfillers of EvE (dont remember exactly the name now) Need more? Oh and Legion Its not D514...Just to clarify I understand why they move to PC but this cannot be discussed.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2505	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:25:00 - [52] - Quote Market. PvE. 10 year plan. Caldari map. Minmatar bridge map (I think?) Arena Able to leave footsteps imprinted in New Eden forever Enhanced NPE Etc, etc, etc...
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1063	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:26:00 - [53] - Quote Trees, they promised us trees. They were supposed to be in the 1st Uprising update but all we got was grass and little shrubs. Can't say I'm all that surprised.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5400	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:27:00 - [54] - Quote You know what? Have a fourth promise broken. "10 year plan" DUST 514 was promised to be a 10 year project which would be constantly evolving with new content. It WASN'T promised to be abandoned less than a year after being "released" in a state barely fit for beta, and it certainly wasn't promised to be abandoned for anotehr project that's essentially going to be doing the same things it was meant to be doing all along. CONSTANTLY EVOLVING WITH NEW CONTEN was the biggest part of the promise they're breaking here.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 287	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:29:00 - [55] - Quote ps vita neocom app
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:30:00 - [56] - Quote It seems you have the issue that Legion is Dust which is false . Legion is an entirely different game that will have different mechanics . To a lot of people CCP did lie to them.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 277	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:30:00 - [57] - Quote Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 277	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:31:00 - [58] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Trees, they promised us trees. They were supposed to be in the 1st Uprising update but all we got was grass and little shrubs. That's all I've ever really wanted.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 361	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:31:00 - [59] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: What promises did they break? 1. "Laser focused on PS3" - they were directly telling us that still WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE TEAM WAS WORKING ON THE NEW PC PROJECT INSTEAD OF THE PS3 GAME. 2. New content coming for PS3. This was promised many times over, including specific statements that the PS3 would be seeing "lots" of new content after 1.8 with ONCE AGAIN the entire plan being to focus on Legion at the time and ignore PS3 apart from minor balance tweaks and bug fixes. 3. Sony's Playstation 4 presentation included the future development of DUST 514 on that platform as a work in progress. While it's possible that WAS still the plan at the time, AS SOON AS THAT CHANGED, not telling us was a lie of omission, and pushing for us to buy more content involved USING THE EXPECTATION OF THE UPCOMING PS4 VERSION to support those sales. That makes it false advertising as well as a broken promise. I know you only asked for one, but you got 3. Satisfied? #1 was how long ago? How do you know they weren't? Maybe it was their laser focus on the PS3 and trying hard to make it work--and it still not working--that showed them that a change had to be made. As for Legion having been in development for a while, even now they haven't committed to it. They started Project Legion to see if it would work better than PS3 and to be able to compare the two. They did, and after some time of working on both they've concluded that a PC platform is necessary for the game to fully develop. If they weren't entirely transparent about all this....maybe mistakes were made there. I'm over it. #2 Did they say lots of new content for DUST 514 or did they specifically say PS3? Methinks they said DUST 514, and they are still committed to providing that content for DUST 514. I reject your distinction between DUST and Legion. They are the same game, except you have to have a PC for Legion.....and it will be way better. #3 It's easier to port a game from PC to PS4 than it is to port from PS3. They never made any promises about PS4 and that's still not in their control. CCP Rouge said (as much as he legally could) that once it's ready on PC they'll look into porting to console.
CHECHOMAN FUTURE PROJECT LEGION HISPANO CORP 377	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:40:00 - [60] - Quote One of the best post I've seen in this forum ... EVE-LEGION-HISPANO.ES.TL/(^o=)\

The Noob Destroyer Pradox One Proficiency V. 804	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:41:00 - [61] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: ISuperstar wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promise... Thats exactly the ***** point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future! We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!! Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ***** platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them. Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust! Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey. They still say they don't have any plans on abandoning the console in the near future. And when Legion is released on PC you'll be able to transfer over your character with all his stuff intact. Do you want to play DUST as it was meant to be played? Then when the time comes, buy a PC (doesn't have to be top of the line) and play it. Not that important to you to play a better DUST? Sweet, go play another game on console. Everyone is taking this so personally as if CCP are like fascists declaring the supremacy of the PC Master Race and putting patches on the arms of all console players so that they can be identified as untouchable. Puh-lease!!! It has nothing to do with that! They're making the change purely because of technical limitations of the PS3! If DUST stays on the PS3 it's development will eventually reach the limits of the platform and then DUST will slowly die. They had to make the change because of hardware, software, Sony getting in the way...these kinds of things. The fact that they were committed to PS3 before means that they were optimistic and trying to make it work on PS3. It also shows their lack of foresight in contingency planning for the possibility that PS3 wouldn't work long term. That's a lot different from a LIE. And honestly, even if there was some douche among their decision makers that wasn't forthcoming when he should have been, I really don't care. I don't need devs to be moral saints. I need them to work hard to make DUST great. That's what they're trying to do, so I'm content. And by the way, when Legion comes out on PC, I will have to buy a new rig and I will do so happily. They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments. Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources. Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do. CCP fanfest 2014
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 567	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:41:00 - [62] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: You know what? Have a fourth promise broken. "10 year plan" DUST 514 was promised to be a 10 year project which would be constantly evolving with new content. It WASN'T promised to be abandoned less than a year after being "released" in a state barely fit for beta, and it certainly wasn't promised to be abandoned for anotehr project that's essentially going to be doing the same things it was meant to be doing all along. CONSTANTLY EVOLVING WITH NEW CONTEN was the biggest part of the promise they're breaking here. THIS!!
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7983	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:42:00 - [63] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: ITT: Entitled manchildren. #GarbleGarble inb4 The Lock!
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 362	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:46:00 - [64] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. I don't mean to mock. Ok well....forums bring out the troll in all of us. If I mock it's just to emphasize my argument, which is not intended to hurt or belittle anyone. I'm just trying to raise my voice so it can be heard over all the shouting, because I think Legion is the best news any of us could have hoped for, because it means DUST will grow and become awesome and escape a slow death on the PS3. It's unfortunate for those that can't or won't play PC games, but the PC architecture is an absolute necessity moving forward. I am thankful for the community and for everyone's commitment to the game. I hope as many as possible will continue to play DUST on PC. It's not the only thing you can do with a PC! There are lots of other games and other uses for a PC! Hopefully those that don't have one will be able to invest in one that's able to at least handle Legion on low settings (probably still better than current graphics) and join us as we finally really enter into the world of New Eden and start to enjoy a true MMOFPS.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2506	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:46:00 - [65] - Quote Atiim wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: ITT: Entitled manchildren. #GarbleGarble I agree.
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 485	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:47:00 - [66] - Quote Moving the goal post: The thread My reaction to Legion
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5406	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:54:00 - [67] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: #1 was how long ago? How do you know they weren't? Maybe it was their laser focus on the PS3 and trying hard to make it work--and it still not working--that showed them that a change had to be made. As for Legion having been in development for a while, even now they haven't committed to it. They started Project Legion to see if it would work better than PS3 and to be able to compare the two. They did, and after some time of working on both they've concluded that a PC platform is necessary for the game to fully develop. If they weren't entirely transparent about all this....maybe mistakes were made there. I'm over it. IWS has implied that at the time that statement was made, people knew the majority of the team was working on Legion for PC, NOT supporting the PS3 version of the game. It was ALREADY HAPPENING and it ALREADY HAD MORE OF THE DEV TEAM THAN DUST by the time they said "laser focused on PS3" according to the information we've been given. And even if they HAD still been working primarily on the PS3 at that point, the fact that they had stated that then almost immediately turned around and started working on the PC version almost to the exclusion of the PS3 and DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY TELL US THEY WERE NO LONGER FOCUSED meant that every day between that change of focus and their announcement of it was a broken promise. Quote: #2 Did they say lots of new content for DUST 514 or did they specifically say PS3? Methinks they said DUST 514, and they are still committed to providing that content for DUST 514. I reject your distinction between DUST and Legion. They are the same game, except you have to have a PC for Legion.....and it will be way better. They promised a lot of content specifically for the PS3, some of which it's reasonable to say was an overestimation of the platform at the time. They've scaled back their promises for PS3, and the specific points we most want to see before Legion drops are things which it's reasonable to expect on the platform. More importantly, they promised CONSTANT evolution and CONSTANT new content, not "we're stopping new content for a couple of years to release a new game that's replacing DUST instead of releasing a new build of DUST that's been designed from the ground up as if it's a new game. Saying they're creating a major new build, it's called "Legion", and it's coming to PC, then promising to maintain support for the current PS3 version of the game and to continue providing new content, BUT AT A SLOWER RATE BECAUSE MORE FOCUS IS ON PC would have been fine. I'd have been looking forward to Legion in that case. If they change their plans to do this, which is what they should have been doing in the first place, I'll be looking forward to Legion. As it stands, they're saying "no new content, only minor fixes, many of which should have happened months ago but we didn't because everyone was busy with Legion and we didn't feel like telling you because it seemed like a better idea to wait until Fanfest before shafting everyone who bought into the promises we made before then" and Legion will be taking over where DUST left off instead of continuing DUST when Uprising leaves off. Quote: #3 It's easier to port a game from PC to PS4 than it is to port from PS3. They never made any promises about PS4 and that's still not in their control. CCP Rouge said (as much as he legally could) that once it's ready on PC they'll look into porting to console. PS4 was explicitly advertised as having DUST coming to it at E3. As soon as it was confirmed that the PC version was coming and PS4 was NOT a primary focus, we should have been told. Again, every day the delayed that announcement WHILE PUSHING US TO BUY CONTENT UNDER THAT EXPECTATION was a broken promise.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 246	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:01:00 - [68] - Quote ISuperstar wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promise... Thats exactly the ***** point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future! We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!! Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ***** platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them. Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust! Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey. This guy gets it we were played like a bleep.
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 734	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:04:00 - [69] - Quote Ignorant post is an ignorant post. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:06:00 - [70] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game. To those of you who are new and not aware... Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 362	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:07:00 - [71] - Quote The Noob Destroyer wrote: They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments. Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources. Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do. Listen up noob.... Remember when Crysis came out? It fried even the most top of the line computers out there on it's highest settings, but you could play it on "normal" computers just fine on lower settings. Same principle applies. That's the beauty of PC. You will learn. I don't know how much Sony got in the way...but with a developer like CCP, with such a specific, ambitious vision and as meticulous as they are in getting it just right and making so many moving parts work together as intended, having to answer to someone else will always get in the way. That won't be an issue on PC. I know Playstation network got in the way. As for them not having skills....maybe they never could get the knack of programming for PS3. Maybe they did suck at it. Maybe they're admitting that and that's part of why they're moving to PC. All I know is CCP is the only developer working on an MMOFPS set in the EVE universe. If they suck at doing it on PC, well, bummer. I don't think they will. I'm not deadset on believing that CCP can do no wrong, but I won't be shaken by arguments like yours that have no substance.
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:10:00 - [72] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: what ccp pulled was stupid. i dont think they thought it out first. they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all and they did finally get there. No, it doesn't, because (above link). Admitting they've done wrong doesn't mean anything this many times in. Fool me once... Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 937	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:14:00 - [73] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Outlandish and paranoid? For the past few months they have been creating large SP events. Then the devs have went on the forums and started making posts about "Hey, at the end of this million clone event if you buy a booster, you'll get an extra million sp! More if its an omega!". Then there were the posts that further encouraged you to spend money saying "Take advantage of these SP events with boosters!". They withheld the information that they were developing Legion instead of Dust (and considering we haven't received a single update in that time, i find it to be true), and at the same time encouraged you to spend money on their SP events. You are saying that wasn't planned, it was just a fuckin accident? The marketing team had no idea any of this was happening so that's why the DEV's were encouraging you to purchase boosters? And coincidentally they created the most events we've ever had in the shortest amount of time since the game was closed beta? As for the last part, no they did not say we get to keep EVERYTHING on our characters. They said providing us with our "investment" is a no brainer, we would like to give an equal investment. Not they WILL, they would LIKE to. Then proceeded to say they have no fuckin idea currently what they will and will be able to do, or what they'll be willing to do because "We have to be careful about what we can transfer so as not to upset the NPE". There isn't a single post from anyone that says "This is exactly what you are going to get transferred over".
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:16:00 - [74] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments. Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources. Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do. Listen up noob.... Remember when Crysis came out? It fried even the most top of the line computers out there on it's highest settings, but you could play it on "normal" computers just fine on lower settings. Same principle applies. That's the beauty of PC. You will learn. I don't know how much Sony got in the way...but with a developer like CCP, with such a specific, ambitious vision and as meticulous as they are in getting it just right and making so many moving parts work together as intended, having to answer to someone else will always get in the way. That won't be an issue on PC. I know Playstation network got in the way. As for them not having skills....maybe they never could get the knack of programming for PS3. Maybe they did suck at it. Maybe they're admitting that and that's part of why they're moving to PC. All I know is CCP is the only developer working on an MMOFPS set in the EVE universe. If they suck at doing it on PC, well, bummer. I don't think they will. I'm not deadset on believing that CCP can do no wrong, but I won't be shaken by arguments like yours that have no substance. MAG had 128 vs 128 3 years before dust, with bigger maps with more detail. BF3 has WAY better graphics on gigantic maps and more/better vehicles on PS3. The problem wasn't sony (who bent over backwards for CCP), the problem is CCP using cut-rate coders from china to produce a horrible code base. Guess what they are doing all over again for the PC? (cheap chinese labor is the answer) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 362	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:17:00 - [75] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: You know what? Have a fourth promise broken. "10 year plan" DUST 514 was promised to be a 10 year project which would be constantly evolving with new content. It WASN'T promised to be abandoned less than a year after being "released" in a state barely fit for beta, and it certainly wasn't promised to be abandoned for anotehr project that's essentially going to be doing the same things it was meant to be doing all along. CONSTANTLY EVOLVING WITH NEW CONTEN was the biggest part of the promise they're breaking here. THIS!! Again...same game, different platform. DUST has been constantly evolving over the past year and will continue to evolve. It will move to PC so that it can continue to do so at an accelerated pace and without previous stifling limitations. Stop beating around the bush and throwing all these accusations around and just admit that you're just pissed because now you have buy a PC to play DUST. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Y'all are sooooo focused on the negative and on any way that you've been slighted in the least. You choose to be blind to any positives that would quell some of your rage. If you want to wallow in your misery, go right ahead, nobody can stop you. Those of us that are willing to move forward will be part of something awesome.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7987	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:20:00 - [76] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Again...same game, different platform. Not according to CCP. In the end, you can say whatever you want. Unless CCP makes an official statement saying that EVE: Legion is DUST 514, you not only lack a leg to stand on, but your entire argument is invalid. [/thread] inb4 The Lock!
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 363	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:28:00 - [77] - Quote Atiim wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Again...same game, different platform. Not according to CCP. In the end, you can say whatever you want. Unless CCP makes an official statement saying that EVE: Legion is DUST 514, you not only lack a leg to stand on, but your entire argument is invalid. [/thread] Due to the fact that I have eyes and watched the Legion gameplay video, the fact that they committed to transfer players, with all their stuff, from PS3 to PC, the fact that everything they showed at Fanfest about Legion was an iteration or transformation of an aspect of DUST, and the fact that the PC version will also be based in New Eden and will be much more integrated into the online world....I think I can safely assume they're the same game. That's like seeing a bunch of white paste in a jar labelled "Mayonnaise", smelling it, confirming that it smells like mayonnaise, and then refusing to believe that it's not yogurt until you eat it.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 246	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:34:00 - [78] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments. Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources. Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do. Listen up noob.... Remember when Crysis came out? It fried even the most top of the line computers out there on it's highest settings, but you could play it on "normal" computers just fine on lower settings. Same principle applies. That's the beauty of PC. You will learn. I don't know how much Sony got in the way...but with a developer like CCP, with such a specific, ambitious vision and as meticulous as they are in getting it just right and making so many moving parts work together as intended, having to answer to someone else will always get in the way. That won't be an issue on PC. I know Playstation network got in the way. As for them not having skills....maybe they never could get the knack of programming for PS3. Maybe they did suck at it. Maybe they're admitting that and that's part of why they're moving to PC. All I know is CCP is the only developer working on an MMOFPS set in the EVE universe. If they suck at doing it on PC, well, bummer. I don't think they will. I'm not deadset on believing that CCP can do no wrong, but I won't be shaken by arguments like yours that have no substance. MAG had 128 vs 128 3 years before dust, with bigger maps with more detail. BF3 has WAY better graphics on gigantic maps and more/better vehicles on PS3. The problem wasn't sony (who bent over backwards for CCP), the problem is CCP using cut-rate coders from china to produce a horrible code base. Guess what they are doing all over again for the PC? (cheap chinese labor is the answer) Thank you they couldn't even code Mag numbers on that super Tranquility server, now it's the hardware lol.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 810	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:34:00 - [79] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787 "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 810	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:36:00 - [80] - Quote Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:39:00 - [81] - Quote Dear OP: You didn't put enough SP into fanboying. Once you get into proficiencies you get 5% chance at random non-sense magically making sense per level.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 248	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:41:00 - [82] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787 So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5409	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:42:00 - [83] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Again...same game, different platform. DUST has been constantly evolving over the past year and will continue to evolve. It will move to PC so that it can continue to do so at an accelerated pace and without previous stifling limitations. Again, no it isn't. And yes, DUST has been constantly evolving, but the devs have explicitly stated that it's NOT going to be evolving any further and Legion is going to be REPLACING it, not continuing on as the next stage of DUST's development. Quote: Stop beating around the bush and throwing all these accusations around and just admit that you're just pissed because now you have buy a PC to play DUST. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. No, now we have to buy a PC to play the game that DUST should have been eventually turning into, without DUST being able to ever become what it was intended to be. Quote: Y'all are sooooo focused on the negative and on any way that you've been slighted in the least. You choose to be blind to any positives that would quell some of your rage. If you want to wallow in your misery, go right ahead, nobody can stop you. Those of us that are willing to move forward will be part of something awesome. I've openly said that I WANT to see what Legion SHOULD have been, which is for Legion to be the next new build for DUST. Sure, make it on PC. Sure, rebuild from the ground up. But DON'T scrap support for the DUST while you go building a new game in its image. And DON'T stop developing the extra content that's NOT in DUST yet and SHOULD BE while working on taking that next big step. Continue on with building DUST, and make Legion the next major build, which is what we'd all been expecting. And in the meantime, have some new content that comes into the current build of DUST on PS3. Use the PS3 version for testing some of the new things that are coming.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 364	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:47:00 - [84] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words. Hmm lets see.... Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death. What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5409	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:48:00 - [85] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: That's like seeing a bunch of white paste in a jar labelled "Mayonnaise", smelling it, confirming that it smells like mayonnaise, and then refusing to believe that it's not yogurt until you eat it. Actually, what you're doing is more like seeing a thick yellow substance in a tub that looks suspiciously like the ones butter comes in, but the label reads "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" and you're insisting to all of us that it IS butter and it IS made from the same things as butter and that it's not a different, but similar product at all.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 364	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:51:00 - [86] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: That's like seeing a bunch of white paste in a jar labelled "Mayonnaise", smelling it, confirming that it smells like mayonnaise, and then refusing to believe that it's not yogurt until you eat it. Actually, what you're doing is more like seeing a thick yellow substance in a tub that looks suspiciously like the ones butter comes in, but the label reads "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" and you're insisting to all of us that it IS butter and it IS made from the same things as butter and that it's not a different, but similar product at all. If it looks, smells, and tastes like butter, it's butter as far as I'm concerned. You want to nit pick, go right ahead. I will be enjoying toast.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 91	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:54:00 - [87] - Quote Not promises. Product content. "We watch what they (players) do, not what they say" -Hilmar
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5409	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:55:00 - [88] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words. Hmm lets see.... Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death. What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to? The weapons are being reworked. They're similar to what we have in DUST, but not the same. And they will exist in-universe side-by-side with DUST's versions of the same weapons, some of which have been renamed on the way into Legion, and at least one of which SHOULD have been renamed in DUST already but wasn't. The skill tree and progression system is being entirely rebuilt, it's not going to have the same skills and they aren't promising how much of our existing character's skillset will transfer into the new game, which should have been the ABSOLUTE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA WHEN CONSIDERING THE REBUILDING PROCESS. The game modes and maps will be different from those in DUST because of the nature of the game. They're copying the maps over from DUST, but giving players access to different and larger portions of those maps to play across in realtime, rather than limiting us to small arenas. The core gameplay will be focused around emergent behaviours across huge battlefields, not fixed team sizes in a "lobby shooter" type environment with limited accessible map areas. And most importantly, it's been specifically announced by the devs as a new, separate project with a different name, and NOT as a part of the existing game or a rebuild of it as we had been promised.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 812	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:57:00 - [89] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words. Hmm lets see.... Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death. What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to? The difference is, you are a CCP fanboy attempt to position yourself for something, I have no clue what. CCP has even STATED that it is NOT THE SAME GAME. So your word over rides theirs? LOL "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5409	Posted - 2014.05.06 20:59:00 - [90] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: That's like seeing a bunch of white paste in a jar labelled "Mayonnaise", smelling it, confirming that it smells like mayonnaise, and then refusing to believe that it's not yogurt until you eat it. Actually, what you're doing is more like seeing a thick yellow substance in a tub that looks suspiciously like the ones butter comes in, but the label reads "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" and you're insisting to all of us that it IS butter and it IS made from the same things as butter and that it's not a different, but similar product at all. If it looks, smells, and tastes like butter, it's butter as far as I'm concerned. You want to nit pick, go right ahead. I will be enjoying toast. Have you "tasted" Legion yet? Do you know it spreads onto your toast the same way real DUST does? Are you sure it doesn't leave that filmy gunk in your mouth after a few bites? NO. Because IT'S NOT READY YET. We've seen a really, REALLY basic tech demo for something that's been EXPLICITLY STATED TO NOT BE DUST, but the tech demo looks the part because they've straight-up ported in-game assets from DUST on PS3 into a PC version OF THE SAME GAME ENGINE WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING ON. They've implied that the new game is meant to be built in UE4, but have also stated the demo was running in CCP's modified version of UE3, just like DUST. So about those broken promises again...?

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2923	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:00:00 - [91] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words. Hmm lets see.... Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death. What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to? The difference is, you are a CCP fanboy attempt to position yourself for something, I have no clue what. CCP has even STATED that it is NOT THE SAME GAME. So your word over rides theirs? LOL Bet you a dollar hes trying to brown nose to be put on Legions version of the CSM/CPM I mean hey IRC brown nosing worked for Dusts council right
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 813	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:05:00 - [92] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words. Hmm lets see.... Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death. What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to? The difference is, you are a CCP fanboy attempt to position yourself for something, I have no clue what. CCP has even STATED that it is NOT THE SAME GAME. So your word over rides theirs? LOL Bet you a dollar hes trying to brown nose to be put on Legions version of the CSM/CPM I mean hey IRC brown nosing worked for Dusts council right agreed "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 364	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:19:00 - [93] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Again...same game, different platform. DUST has been constantly evolving over the past year and will continue to evolve. It will move to PC so that it can continue to do so at an accelerated pace and without previous stifling limitations. Again, no it isn't. And yes, DUST has been constantly evolving, but the devs have explicitly stated that it's NOT going to be evolving any further and Legion is going to be REPLACING it, not continuing on as the next stage of DUST's development. Quote: Stop beating around the bush and throwing all these accusations around and just admit that you're just pissed because now you have buy a PC to play DUST. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. No, now we have to buy a PC to play the game that DUST should have been eventually turning into, without DUST being able to ever become what it was intended to be. Quote: Y'all are sooooo focused on the negative and on any way that you've been slighted in the least. You choose to be blind to any positives that would quell some of your rage. If you want to wallow in your misery, go right ahead, nobody can stop you. Those of us that are willing to move forward will be part of something awesome. I've openly said that I WANT to see what Legion SHOULD have been, which is for Legion to be the next new build for DUST. Sure, make it on PC. Sure, rebuild from the ground up. But DON'T scrap support for the DUST while you go building a new game in its image. And DON'T stop developing the extra content that's NOT in DUST yet and SHOULD BE while working on taking that next big step. Continue on with building DUST, and make Legion the next major build, which is what we'd all been expecting. And in the meantime, have some new content that comes into the current build of DUST on PS3. Use the PS3 version for testing some of the new things that are coming. Ok I'm totally in agreement with you here and I think that's part of the feedback they want to hear from us. Do we want Legion developed sooner, and hence less effort put into DUST, or do we want Legion to be more gradually developed while DUST is given relatively more content? Personally I enjoy DUST as it is and would be happy with just a few finishing touches like adding the rest of the heavy weapons and tanks. I would be fine playing DUST basically as-is until the PC version comes out and getting lots of big changes all at once. There are others of course that want more iteration than that. I think they have to make some business decisions and they have the info there and we don't. Also they bear the risk, so if the only feasible business decision is for them to hyper-focus on Legion so that it's ready by a reasonable release date, then that's what they need to do. If they're going to make DUST 2 they need to pull out all the stops and give it the best chance of success right at the start (a lesson from Uprising 1.0). I agree they have to strike a balance between continuing to develop DUST on PS3 and taking it to the next level on PC. If there could be more constructive consultation about this and other issues between players and devs (which they clearly want) then we could figure out the best way to move forward. We could find that balance, filling in some important blanks in DUST and leaving the rest to be released on PC. All this rage, venom, and melodrama just detracts from that and hurts everyone. I'm sure there are some players out there--who for some reason reject the PC platform emphatically--that do just want to obstruct and hinder the process. Those of us who are still trying to assess the situation and haven't crossed over to the Dark Side of hate and rabble-rousing have the chance to be part of the conversation and to help DUST not only live but thrive for years to come. If you're on the fence, I implore you to try to contribute to a constructive conversation and to steer clear of all the drama. Also, CCP should hold a lottery and give winners gift certificates to Newegg.com or something. A gesture like that to encourage the community to transition to PC would send the right message. And we definitely need the Amarr and Minmatar heavy weapons on PS3 ASAP. Their tanks would be nice too.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 43	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:22:00 - [94] - Quote Stares at vita gathering dust, watches last years e3 footage with demos and promise of soon on companion app. Sigh Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 364	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:24:00 - [95] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Delta 749 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words. Hmm lets see.... Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death. What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to? The difference is, you are a CCP fanboy attempt to position yourself for something, I have no clue what. CCP has even STATED that it is NOT THE SAME GAME. So your word over rides theirs? LOL Bet you a dollar hes trying to brown nose to be put on Legions version of the CSM/CPM I mean hey IRC brown nosing worked for Dusts council right agreed Wow. I'm glad you think me so capable. Sadly no.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:27:00 - [96] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Wow. I'm glad you think me so capable. Sadly no. Just because you're brown nosing for a job doesn't mean you're capable for it. How do you think Empires have risen and fallen? Incapable people vying for what they can't control.
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 180	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:30:00 - [97] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Dust next? No. We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest. DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:33:00 - [98] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Dust next? No. We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest. lol, only thing about Dust was that CCP admits NPE blows. Still no word on what they even plan to actually do. So much for 'lots'
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 129	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:38:00 - [99] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Ok I'm totally in agreement with you here and I think that's part of the feedback they want to hear from us. Do we want Legion developed sooner, and hence less effort put into DUST, or do we want Legion to be more gradually developed while DUST is given relatively more content? ... The difference here is clearly you don't mind gaming on either system. So it makes sense that to you all that really exists is the content. You see the content you want being developed for the PC, so you're happy to see it. But for solo-system gamers, that's not all there is. End result, they were sold on a promise/expectation of a game--a game exclusive to the PS--which is the MMOFPS sandbox in New Eden, in all that glory they sold it in. And now it's not coming. For solo-system people, this is not a casual difference. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 365	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:46:00 - [100] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: That's like seeing a bunch of white paste in a jar labelled "Mayonnaise", smelling it, confirming that it smells like mayonnaise, and then refusing to believe that it's not yogurt until you eat it. Actually, what you're doing is more like seeing a thick yellow substance in a tub that looks suspiciously like the ones butter comes in, but the label reads "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" and you're insisting to all of us that it IS butter and it IS made from the same things as butter and that it's not a different, but similar product at all. If it looks, smells, and tastes like butter, it's butter as far as I'm concerned. You want to nit pick, go right ahead. I will be enjoying toast. Have you "tasted" Legion yet? Do you know it spreads onto your toast the same way real DUST does? Are you sure it doesn't leave that filmy gunk in your mouth after a few bites? NO. Because IT'S NOT READY YET. We've seen a really, REALLY basic tech demo for something that's been EXPLICITLY STATED TO NOT BE DUST, but the tech demo looks the part because they've straight-up ported in-game assets from DUST on PS3 into a PC version OF THE SAME GAME ENGINE WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING ON. They've implied that the new game is meant to be built in UE4, but have also stated the demo was running in CCP's modified version of UE3, just like DUST. So about those broken promises again...? What about them? You just stated a bunch of technical stuff. No it's not ready for release. Yes, that was pre-alpha footage in the reveal video. No, it's not guaranteed to be amazing and worth it. What do you want? A guarantee? No one can give you that. All anyone can do is try their best to make a good product. I trust that realizing the long-term vision of an MMOFPS in the EVE universe is very important to CCP. I've seen tons of evidence to support that view. They could have just bailed like the MAG devs. Instead they've recommitted themselves to making it happen, despite the difficulties of changing platforms, the pain of admitting mistakes, and the sting of the community's reaction. That takes balls. But can they pull it off? I think so. I hope so. I'm going to try to help them--and us--get the win instead of saying "Screw this, I'm rubber-banding". This is a community. If you're not trying to build something awesome with us, then please don't try to tear it down, and be wary of those that are. That being said, frustration is understandable...but is having to get a PC really so bad that it merits all this tossing of *****? Can't we all just shoot each other in peace?

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5412	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:46:00 - [101] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Ok I'm totally in agreement with you here and I think that's part of the feedback they want to hear from us. Do we want Legion developed sooner, and hence less effort put into DUST, or do we want Legion to be more gradually developed while DUST is given relatively more content? Personally I enjoy DUST as it is and would be happy with just a few finishing touches like adding the rest of the heavy weapons and tanks. I would be fine playing DUST basically as-is until the PC version comes out and getting lots of big changes all at once. There are others of course that want more iteration than that. I think they have to make some business decisions and they have the info there and we don't. Also they bear the risk, so if the only feasible business decision is for them to hyper-focus on Legion so that it's ready by a reasonable release date, then that's what they need to do. If they're going to make DUST 2 they need to pull out all the stops and give it the best chance of success right at the start (a lesson from Uprising 1.0). The plan as we've been told it right now is that we're getting: -Bug fixes (many of which are already long overdue) -Balance tweaks (many of which are ALSO long overdue) -Planetary Conquest improvements (which are EXtREMELY long overdue) That's all. No new content. No more races are getting their heavy weapons. No racial parity on vehicles. Nothing. NOT. ONE. NEW. THING. There is content that DUST is absolutely in need of to be a complete game. It's still very much a beta with limited content. It's certainly FUN, but it's not FINISHED, and it's FAR from release ready. In addition to your requests, I want, and think it's reasonable to ask for, a player marketplace (if in a limited form) and at least some basic form of PvE gameplay. Even if they use DUST on PS3 as the testing ground for PvE in Legion, that would be fine. As I've said before, we're used to being experimented on and rebuilt. Keep doing so. Quote: I agree they have to strike a balance between continuing to develop DUST on PS3 and taking it to the next level on PC. If there could be more constructive consultation about this and other issues between players and devs (which they clearly want) then we could figure out the best way to move forward. We could find that balance, filling in some important blanks in DUST and leaving the rest to be released on PC. All this rage, venom, and melodrama just detracts from that and hurts everyone. I'm sure there are some players out there--who for some reason reject the PC platform emphatically--that do just want to obstruct and hinder the process. Those of us who are still trying to assess the situation and haven't crossed over to the Dark Side of hate and rabble-rousing have the chance to be part of the conversation and to help DUST not only live but thrive for years to come. And to be fair on those who are anti-PC, many have their own reasons, some more valid from an outside perspective than others. Someone with absolutely NO intention of moving to PC still deserves some measure of respect from CCP, particularly in light of the fact that E3 included an announcement of the upcoming PS4 version of DUST, so if that isn't on the cards any more (and it's been stated that it isn't), anyone who paid money to CCP based on that expectation has a valid reason to be upset, and should reasonably expect at least some kind of apology for being misled. Quote: If you're on the fence, I implore you to try to contribute to a constructive conversation and to steer clear of all the drama. I'm doing both. I'm not on the fence. I have my opinions, and I'm sharing them. For the most part, I'm being constructive about it, but I'm also enjoying and joining in with some of the drama while I'm here. You seem to forget that this is also a part of New Eden. Quote: Also, CCP should hold a lottery and give winners gift certificates to Newegg.com or something. A gesture like that to encourage the community to transition to PC would send the right message. And we definitely need the Amarr and Minmatar heavy weapons on PS3 ASAP. Their tanks would be nice too. I think there needs to be something more than just a "lottery" with a few lucky people winning prizes. There needs to be a definitive plan for how to move forward, and that plan needs to include plans to support and thank AND APOLOGISE TO the fanbase that CCP have built up not just over the past almost-year since release, but the years many of us spent in beta as well.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 366	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:01:00 - [102] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Ok I'm totally in agreement with you here and I think that's part of the feedback they want to hear from us. Do we want Legion developed sooner, and hence less effort put into DUST, or do we want Legion to be more gradually developed while DUST is given relatively more content? ... The difference here is clearly you don't mind gaming on either system. So it makes sense that to you all that really exists is the content. You see the content you want being developed for the PC, so you're happy to see it. But for solo-system gamers, that's not all there is. End result, they were sold on a promise/expectation of a game--a game exclusive to the PS--which is the MMOFPS sandbox in New Eden, in all that glory they sold it in. And now it's not coming. For solo-system people, this is not a casual difference. FINALLY someone has the balls to say what everyone else is really thinking while they're trying to throw out all this evidence of betrayal and such. Actually my brother has a PS3 and loves DUST but may or may not be able to access it on PC. You're right. For someone who's limited to console only it's not a casual difference. It sucks. But at least the game will be there for you, and have more to offer you, should you have the chance to play it on PC.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 386	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:06:00 - [103] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. the moon
crispipin Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 38	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:19:00 - [104] - Quote 24 vs. 24 never happened
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 366	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:20:00 - [105] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Quote: Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787 So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company. It pains me to even respond to such baseless accusations but it must be done. So he said that they are committed to DUST over the long term. You focus on the fact that "Legion" and "DUST" are not the same words and that one is on PC and the other on PS3 and try to incite hatred based on that. What was he supposed to say? "We are committed to EVE, Valkyrie, and...whatever we'll be calling the EVE universe MMOFPS when we decided what platform it needs to be on." When he said DUST, he meant DUST and Legion, because Legion is clearly DUST 2 on the PC. This should be obvious. It's obvious to me. You don't see the connection though and so it's a LIE and a BETRAYAL. Or maybe you're capable of perceiving the obvious and you do see the connection but you're just trying to use anything you can as a weapon against CCP because you're pissed because eventually you'll have to have a PC to play DUST. I've never seen such petty, nit-picking, grudge-holding attempts at twisting the truth as on these forums in the past few days!!!
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 907	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:25:00 - [106] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? I smell a troll. Smells awfully disgusting. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Doc Browner Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 243	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:29:00 - [107] - Quote Name one promise they kept? I spill my Blood for Freedom and righteousness
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 656	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:30:00 - [108] - Quote Let me guess, from what you wrote here, you continuously give politicians a pass also when they tell their consistent lies. What do you do, blame it on their stress of holding office because they have to go sit in a building with other guys all day or stand behind a podium?
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 366	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:32:00 - [109] - Quote Amazing how y'all can type all these sentences without actually saying anything.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 347	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:38:00 - [110] - Quote 10 year-plan, remember that one?

LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 656	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:40:00 - [111] - Quote Phazoid wrote: 10 year-plan, remember that one? Some people must have Alzheimers or something in here. People seem to be mighty forgetful when it comes to the short term.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1527	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:44:00 - [112] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Hmm lets see 1. 10 year vision for Dust- They said the game would be updated and improved continually for a decade. 2.Racial parity for vehicles and weapons- never happened. 3. PVE- Never happened 4. Ran Aurum events on a dying game- technically not a lie, but it is shady and misleading. 5."LAZOR FOCUSED ON PS3" 6. Fighters and jetbikes 7. Commander mode- Never came out 8. Player market- Never came out 9. Huge maps- Never came out Thats all I can think of in three minutes. Im sure if I went back and watched fanjets from last year I could find at least ten more and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 377	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:56:00 - [113] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: Hmm lets see 1. 10 year vision for Dust- They said the game would be updated and improved continually for a decade. 2.Racial parity for vehicles and weapons- never happened. 3. PVE- Never happened 4. Ran Aurum events on a dying game- technically not a lie, but it is shady and misleading. 5."LAZOR FOCUSED ON PS3" 6. Fighters and jetbikes 7. Commander mode- Never came out 8. Player market- Never came out 9. Huge maps- Never came out Thats all I can think of in three minutes. Im sure if I went back and watched fanjets from last year I could find at least ten more and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion Finally....LOGIC!
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 296	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:56:00 - [114] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 377	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:02:00 - [115] - Quote DTOracle wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures. No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1808	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:02:00 - [116] - Quote ten year development plan for dust. one universe // one war knives. vehicles. unified market. eve bonuses for owning districts. did you just want one? eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 33	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:05:00 - [117] - Quote This thread is great, some reasonable people actually convinced the OP that CCP has lied. /thread zzZaXxx wrote: For someone who's limited to console only it's not a casual difference. It sucks. But at least the game will be there for you, and have more to offer you, should you have the chance to play it on PC. Thanks for sympathizing, but you miss the point. It's not your fault, you seem reasonable, you just want a GOOD version of Dust so bad that you refuse to see that what's going on now will happen again, to you. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PLATFORM SHIFT. I think going to PC is the best part of this whole decision, but console-only players have every right to be a part of this that you do. And even if it's completely impossible to go to ps4(I can't imagine them even bothering to try after all this), I might accept that too. But they still deserved more warning than they did. I feel worse for them than I do for myself. Sure we were stupid to believe CCP's lies, but they didn't have to completely fulfill them to win most of these people over, they just had to make an effort to end this game well, and with proper respect to their players. Apparently we're not worth that. I would be all fanboy-ing it up in here defending CCP except for one thing, how they kept this information from us while they milked all of us for extra money. That is unacceptable. After that, nothing their paid professional liars say about legion or your character investment means anything.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 909	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:05:00 - [118] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: DTOracle wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures. No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about. While the OP is still just a ****, who himself is missing the big picture (while bashing everyone else), PS3 development has been rough for MANY game developers out there. Remember Fallout 3? Tanks - Balancing Turrets
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1808	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:07:00 - [119] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN. we all have pc's. my entire fleet is console gamers who have pc's. what a jagoff. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1808	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:08:00 - [120] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is: DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled DUST will move to PC = Betrayal What I'm seeing is that every statement that is considered to be a lie is not thought to be so because they don't intend to carry it out but rather because they intend to do so on the PC platform....even though that's the only way they can actually do most of the things things they promised to do. I guess that's where some of us will just have to agree to disagree. You see it as a betrayal and a scam. I see it as a practical necessity in order to develop the game properly. If this kind of change gets you this worked up, prepare for a lifetime of disappointment and feeling betrayed a lot. Sh*t happens and you move forward. Sometimes things don't go the way we intend them to, despite good intentions. They hit a wall with PS3 and decided to go around it instead of just sit down and make camp. As for "scams", bad intentions, and taking advantage of the customer, if the fact that the future is on PC instead of PS3 is your grounds for such talk, sorry but it doesn't hold water. Play a better DUST on PC (with all your stuff intact) and be thankful for how much better it is, or go play another game. The End. you say things that make you look dumb. we don't care where the game is developed. we care that the game in development is NOT dust. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5340	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:09:00 - [121] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Finally....LOGIC! Here's what you don't under ****ing stand: For almost two years the Devs have been saying that they were 100% committed to the PS3. EVERY SINGLE TIME we asked them if Dust would be better off on a better Platform (PC, PS4). Every time they refuted that they had ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS to move Dust anytime soon. Further more they boasted of there 10 year plan. Now all of a sudden they are doing a complete 180 on there stance. Most people refer to this as lying. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1528	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:11:00 - [122] - Quote if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 289	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:12:00 - [123] - Quote DTOracle wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures. ^This. Their vision exceeds their capabilities. I don't doubt that they were sincere when they made all of their grand promises for dust on PS3, and I fully believe that, at that time, their intention WAS to bring their vision of Dust to the PS3. Unfortunately, as was quite evident through the entire course of it's development, when push came to shove, they discovered that turning that vision into a reality was much more difficult than they initially anticipated. CCP has some truly fantastic and innovative ideas but, when it comes to bringing those ideas to fruition, their reach simply exceeds their grasp.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 290	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:22:00 - [124] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 378	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:31:00 - [125] - Quote CCP's been making this game since 2003. It's their baby, and they REALLY want to realize their vision for it to make it the most complete, dynamic, and immersive online universe--which is pretty much the coolest thing anyone could be trying to do. They already made the universe and it's chock full of emergent content on the spaceship level. They did a great job on that part, but they want to complete the player experience of the EVE universe by enabling players to be immersed in emergent content not just as spaceship pilots, but also as fighter pilots and mercenaries on the ground. They created a strong foundation for the FPS element of this "ecosystem", but found that, in order for the whole universe to come together and start meshing into one cohesive whole, the whole thing needs to be built on PC architecture. They didn't make their reasons or intentions clear at first and left a lot of questions unanswered. Since then they've started to clarify why they're doing this, why they believe the PS3 platform can't support the game they're making, and how they intend to move forward. The following statement explains their reasoning. It doesn't change the fact that PS3 will eventually be left behind, but it shows that they know what they want, that they're passionate about making a great game, and they know how they want to get there. Their mission is to complete the EVE universe and to make it one of the wonders of the world, which it will be when Valkyrie and Legion are integrated into the whole. They have a vision that has been taking shape for years and they will do whatever it takes to realize it. That's really rare in my opinion and I thankful for their persistence. CCP Rouge wrote: Hi everyone. Me again. Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier. Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 5054	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:34:00 - [126] - Quote Jets. MTACs (Mech suits). PVE. Racial vehicles. Racial MCCs. APCs. Jet bikes. Player Market. Well that's all I was promised. How about you guys? PSN: jcptmo8055
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1528	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:40:00 - [127] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3. as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 252	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:41:00 - [128] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: KING SALASI wrote: Quote: Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787 So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company. It pains me to even respond to such baseless accusations but it must be done. So he said that they are committed to DUST over the long term. You focus on the fact that "Legion" and "DUST" are not the same words and that one is on PC and the other on PS3 and try to incite hatred based on that. What was he supposed to say? "We are committed to EVE, Valkyrie, and...whatever we'll be calling the EVE universe MMOFPS when we decided what platform it needs to be on." When he said DUST, he meant DUST and Legion, because Legion is clearly DUST 2 on the PC. This should be obvious. It's obvious to me. You don't see the connection though and so it's a LIE and a BETRAYAL. Or maybe you're capable of perceiving the obvious and you do see the connection but you're just trying to use anything you can as a weapon against CCP because you're pissed because eventually you'll have to have a PC to play DUST. I've never seen such petty, nit-picking, grudge-holding attempts at twisting the truth as on these forums in the past few days!!! He knew when he said that he was lying. It's in his own words right in your face. Fyi they lie a lot.
Cosgar 9272	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:50:00 - [129] - Quote Glad you just said one or I'd be here all day. Biggest promise they broke was for a AAA FPS on home console. Call 1-800-345-SONY, press 2, then 2 again to get your money back if you bought AUR in the past 90 days.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1811	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:00:00 - [130] - Quote Doc Browner wrote: Name one promise they kept? i'm going to make a list: http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegion tell ccp what you think of legion. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 592	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:00:00 - [131] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: boba's fetta wrote: what ccp pulled was stupid. i dont think they thought it out first. they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all and they did finally get there. No, it doesn't, because (above link). Admitting they've done wrong doesn't mean anything this many times in. Fool me once... they do deserve respect for admitting their mistake. iits called positive renforcement encourage them to be more honest. thats all didnt mean for anyother reason. hope i cleared that up.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 79	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:04:00 - [132] - Quote Personally, my problem with the announcement of Project Legion is that it crushed my hope of getting PvE, player market, bigger matches, etc. any time soon. Let me explain it: CCP said they wanted to add those and other things to Dust 514 on PS3. They never said they wouldn't do it, and they never said they would move Dust to a new platform, so I and many others assumed that they would do it and that they were working on it. That's what kept me playing Dust 514. Sure saving SP is awesome, but the game itself was sh!t. The reason I kept playing is because CCP had at one point talked about the aforementioned things like PvE and a player market being put in Dust. I assumed that they were working on it for Dust and that it would be coming to the PS3 in some form. For months and months, I and many others I know grit our teeth and played Dust, always checking this forum for any new information, waiting on pins and needles for the announcement to be made. After all, they never said it wasn't going to happen on the PS3. Then FanFest happened. The day before the Project Legion reveal, I couldn't help but be excited and hopeful that something I wanted would be announced...PvE, jets, player market, improved NPE, etc., even though I tried to keep my expectations low because well f* it's CCP. As I excitedly read the dev blog about Project Legion, I was slowly crushed by every sentence. I thought "D...nothing we wanted is happening anytime soon." I always thought it was just around the corner. It was like a carrot on a string that kept me moving. I learned that those things weren't days, weeks, or even months away. They're years* away. On a game that hasn't been officially green lit. On a platform that's more expensive than a console and also a platform I have basically no experience with. So I was wrong. I thought CCP would add those things they said they wanted in the game soon, but they won't. It's going to be a long time before that happens. That said, I understand completely why they chose the PC and I also agree from a business perspective that it was the best decision in the long run. My problem is this: CCP's unfulfilled promises. They haven't broken any promises, because they never said when or how things would get done. It's always SOON. I think we as a playerbase need to reject SOON. We need to demand more from CCP. We need to demand SOLID timeframes from them. We need to scare them like we did with our reaction to Project Legion. Whenever CCP announces something new they want to add to EVE or Valkyrie or Dust/Legion, we need to riot untill they give us a date on when it'll be implemented. If they won't, we need to start demanding refunds. No more of this SOON crap. CCP needs to understand that they can't just placate us with flashy videos and talking about 'what could be'. They need to DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IN A TIMELY MANNER. I'm done. I've decided to support Project Legion. Don't let that go to your head CCP, the reveal was a train wreck.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5420	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:04:00 - [133] - Quote low genius wrote: [quote=Doc Browner]Name one promise they kept? They called DUST a "first person shooter". That makes 2 promises, both of which have been kept. 1. First-person perspective. This is available in game for players in most roles. 2. You can shoot things. Simple enough, really. So that's two promises. They also promised to let us call in orbital strikes from EVE Online. They kept that promise. They promised massive customisation of dropsuits and vehicles, and delivered. As much as there have been many big promises they're breaking now, there are plenty of things they DID deliver on. Many things they've failed to deliver have unfortunately been things that they SHOULD have been able to provide. Simple honesty is something CCP have usually been pretty good with up until now. It's disappointing to see such a big and important announcement mishandled this spectacularly.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 291	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:06:00 - [134] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3. as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same. These are just excuses. Plenty of other developers have done just fine within the confines of Sony's QA (which is ultimately in place for OUR benefit, as gamers, to ensure a funamental level of quality), and there have been countless AAA titles produced over the years using the PS3's architecture. I'm not really even talking from a programming aspect though, it's not about the logistics of programming for the PS3, but more about what should have been basic common sense gameplay decisions: easily exploitable PC mechanics that should have been obvious, the decision to use the woefully inadequate Battle Academy as a solution for the poor NPE, the constant nerf/buff/nerf cycle of weapon balancing, to name a few. These things have nothing to do with the limitations of Sony or the PS3, and everything to do with the basic understanding of what constitutes a fundamentally sound, enjoyable FPS. If they couldn't handle the basics, then their grand, complex "vision" was doomed to fail from the outset. Sure, Eve is successful, but Eve is not a FPS either, and requires a completely different approach, philosophy, and skillset to develop. Just because they made a successful space-sim, doesn't automatically mean they are capable or posses the necessary skill and understanding to create an equally successful FPS game, which is a completely different genre altogether.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5420	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:09:00 - [135] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PLATFORM SHIFT. I think going to PC is the best part of this whole decision, but console-only players have every right to be a part of this that you do. And even if it's completely impossible to go to ps4(I can't imagine them even bothering to try after all this), I might accept that too. But they still deserved more warning than they did. I feel worse for them than I do for myself. Sure we were stupid to believe CCP's lies, but they didn't have to completely fulfill them to win most of these people over, they just had to make an effort to end this game well, and with proper respect to their players. Apparently we're not worth that. I would be all fanboy-ing it up in here defending CCP except for that and the other thing, how they kept this information from us while they milked all of us for extra money. That is unacceptable. After that, nothing their paid professional liars say about legion or your character investment means anything. So much this^^
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 254	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:13:00 - [136] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3. as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same. These are just excuses. Plenty of other developers have done just fine within the confines of Sony's QA (which is ultimately in place for OUR benefit, as gamers, to ensure a funamental level of quality), and there have been countless AAA titles produced over the years using the PS3's architecture. I'm not really even talking from a programming aspect though, it's not about the logistics of programming for the PS3, but more about what should have been basic common sense gameplay decisions: easily exploitable PC mechanics that should have been obvious, the decision to use the woefully inadequate Battle Academy as a solution for the poor NPE, the constant nerf/buff/nerf cycle of weapon balancing, to name a few. These things have nothing to do with the limitations of Sony or the PS3, and everything to do with the basic understanding of what constitutes a fundamentally sound, enjoyable FPS. If they couldn't handle the basics, then their grand, complex "vision" was doomed to fail from the outset. Sure, Eve is successful, but Eve is not a FPS either, and requires a completely different approach, philosophy, and skillset to develop. Just because they made a successful space-sim, doesn't automatically mean they are capable or posses the necessary skill and understanding to create an equally successful FPS game, which is a completely different genre altogether. Bingo this guy gets it new platform don't mean bleep. If they can't the basic right on console, same issue will occur on PC. I think CCP is great at point and click shooters not so much.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1528	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:16:00 - [137] - Quote when legion comes out on PC we will have every promise fulfilled that is all anyone should be concerned about. Anyone who thinks staying in the stone age on an old platform is better than moving to a much more adaptive platform like PC is deluding themselves. also any promises made by CCP were for dust not ps3 and ccp will take it anywhere it needs to go to fulfill those promises so no promises have been broken All Hail Legion
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1616	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:23:00 - [138] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is: DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled DUST will move to PC = Betrayal What I'm seeing is that every statement that is considered to be a lie is not thought to be so because they don't intend to carry it out but rather because they intend to do so on the PC platform....even though that's the only way they can actually do most of the things things they promised to do. I guess that's where some of us will just have to agree to disagree. You see it as a betrayal and a scam. I see it as a practical necessity in order to develop the game properly. If this kind of change gets you this worked up, prepare for a lifetime of disappointment and feeling betrayed a lot. Sh*t happens and you move forward. Sometimes things don't go the way we intend them to, despite good intentions. They hit a wall with PS3 and decided to go around it instead of just sit down and make camp. As for "scams", bad intentions, and taking advantage of the customer, if the fact that the future is on PC instead of PS3 is your grounds for such talk, sorry but it doesn't hold water. Play a better DUST on PC (with all your stuff intact) and be thankful for how much better it is, or go play another game. The End. First of all, you don't know all your stuff will be intact, they've said things like they would like to, and they'll transfer things that are "applicable". Also, you just assume/believe CCP when they say they can't make good on their promises because of PS3 limitations. Again you just flat out believe CCP. I know there is no arguing, go ahead and give CCP more of your money and time, but don't expect me to do the same and don't expect for me not to be pissed off at CCP for taking our money and having booster events and sales when they damn well knew they were ditching consoles to go back to PC. You are CCP cultist who will believe them when they tell you its raining even though they are really pissing on your back. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1616	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:26:00 - [139] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs? Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 380	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:30:00 - [140] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Finally....LOGIC! Here's what you don't under ****ing stand: For almost two years the Devs have been saying that they were 100% committed to the PS3. EVERY SINGLE TIME we asked them if Dust would be better off on a better Platform (PC, PS4). Every time they refuted that they had ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS to move Dust anytime soon. Further more they boasted of there 10 year plan. Now all of a sudden they are doing a complete 180 on there stance. Most people refer to this as lying. Ah the power of exaggeration. Translation: Devs were asked a few times if they had any plans on changing platforms. They said no, either because they hadn't decided yet or because they were legally bound by Sony to not make any such statements. Ever think that some of this may be due to legal restrictions that prohibited them from even taking about a platform change until now? Either way, how were you cheated? You were hoodwinked into having fun playing a game when you would have stopped playing it earlier? Not tragic. Tricked into buying omega boosters? Were they supposed to just stop all events on their free to play game until they could tell everyone about Legion? You out $10? Cry me a river. They didn't handle the transition as well as the could have. Oh well. I dont take personally what game developers do with their game, and I certainly don't have enough information upon which to base a judgement of their actions. Neither do you. How bout we let them try to make a good game and just stick to shooting things?

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 382	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:40:00 - [141] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: when legion comes out on PC we will have every promise fulfilled that is all anyone should be concerned about. Anyone who thinks staying in the stone age on an old platform is better than moving to a much more adaptive platform like PC is deluding themselves. also any promises made by CCP were for dust not ps3 and ccp will take it anywhere it needs to go to fulfill those promises so no promises have been broken Here here!!
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1529	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:41:00 - [142] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3. as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same. These are just excuses. Plenty of other developers have done just fine within the confines of Sony's QA (which is ultimately in place for OUR benefit, as gamers, to ensure a funamental level of quality), and there have been countless AAA titles produced over the years using the PS3's architecture. I'm not really even talking from a programming aspect though, it's not about the logistics of programming for the PS3, but more about what should have been basic common sense gameplay decisions: easily exploitable PC mechanics that should have been obvious, the decision to use the woefully inadequate Battle Academy as a solution for the poor NPE, the constant nerf/buff/nerf cycle of weapon balancing, to name a few. These things have nothing to do with the limitations of Sony or the PS3, and everything to do with the basic understanding of what constitutes a fundamentally sound, enjoyable FPS. If they couldn't handle the basics, then their grand, complex "vision" was doomed to fail from the outset. Sure, Eve is successful, but Eve is not a FPS either, and requires a completely different approach, philosophy, and skillset to develop. Just because they made a successful space-sim, doesn't automatically mean they are capable or posses the necessary skill and understanding to create an equally successful FPS game, which is a completely different genre altogether. you say ccp are basicly crap at making a FPS and that maybe so, but CCP are not trying to make an FPS. they are making a sandbox MMOFPS tied in with an MMO sandbox of a completely different play style which is ultimately more complicated to do. simple tweaks here and there for what you call basic requirements for a fps are not simple tweaks at all. for other fps games that are complete before release taking years to make then getting an expansion 6months to a year later then replaced by a new game then yes console works great but as i said this is no FPS replaced every year by a new game. its an ever evolving game with unlimited potential which requires flexibility to succeed. the sandbox doesn't just mould our environment in game. its evolves CCP's thinking by watching our actions. fixing and evolving on the fly like ccp has done many times in eve has made that game work where other games have died out or have grown stagnant and require replacing year in, year out. we are not talking the likes of COD requiring replacing every year to maintain its player base and requiring a restart for every player once the new one arrives. thats the FPS everyone has come accustomed to. ccp could easily make dust like that but we would no longer have any options for linking it to the eve universe and dust would become the same old shooter as every other one out there just a different flavour. All Hail Legion
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 382	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:41:00 - [143] - Quote Oops weird double post
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:50:00 - [144] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: when legion comes out on PC we will have every promise fulfilled that is all anyone should be concerned about. Anyone who thinks staying in the stone age on an old platform is better than moving to a much more adaptive platform like PC is deluding themselves. also any promises made by CCP were for dust not ps3 and ccp will take it anywhere it needs to go to fulfill those promises so no promises have been broken Here here!! Really? People are crying because it's PS3 they love and want to stay on? Biomass yourselves plz
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1529	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:51:00 - [145] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs? your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players All Hail Legion
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5427	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:51:00 - [146] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Finally....LOGIC! Here's what you don't under ****ing stand: For almost two years the Devs have been saying that they were 100% committed to the PS3. EVERY SINGLE TIME we asked them if Dust would be better off on a better Platform (PC, PS4). Every time they refuted that they had ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS to move Dust anytime soon. Further more they boasted of there 10 year plan. Now all of a sudden they are doing a complete 180 on there stance. Most people refer to this as lying. Ah the power of exaggeration. Translation: Devs were asked a few times if they had any plans on changing platforms. They said no, either because they hadn't decided yet or because they were legally bound by Sony to not make any such statements. Ever think that some of this may be due to legal restrictions that prohibited them from even talking about a platform change until now? Either way, how were you cheated? You were hoodwinked into having fun playing a game when you would have stopped playing it earlier? Not tragic. Tricked into buying omega boosters? Were they supposed to just stop all events on their free-to-play game until they could tell everyone about Legion? You out $10? Cry me a river. They didn't handle the transition as well as the could have. Oh well. I don't take personally what game developers do with their game, and I certainly don't have enough information upon which to base a judgement of their actions. Neither do you. How bout we let them try to make a good game and just stick to shooting things? You may want to look here for an explanation of the points you seem to be missing. CCP stated - not just once or twice - that they were focused on PS3, and that DUST was continuing as planned, while the majority of their efforts were NOT directed at DUST, and NOT directed at PS3, but were instead going to Legion on PC. Any of their sales made after the decision was made to stop producing new content for DUST and before they advised us about that decision are at risk of being subject to legal action for false (or at best, misleading) advertising. That's why people have been receiving refunds for many recent Aurum purchases.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1617	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:53:00 - [147] - Quote zzZaXxx, you and ADAM-OF-EVE can continue to apologize for CCP and continue to give them your money. I and many others on this forum are done with this joke of a developer. We aren't buying PCs for a game that so far has only shown 6 people on a prettier Dust map. You should, however, give up on trying to tell us how we should feel about CCP, you aren't going to change anyone's opinion, you'll just make yourself look lik ea bigger jackass than you already have. And not that it makes a difference to you, because you've decided you are with CCP no matter what, but would you care to explain to me why CCP couldn't develop the WoD sandbox with the unlimited power of PCs? You know, the game they didn't have to conceive of lore, a leveling system, powers, or class structure for. Their was 20 years of work on that by White Wolf, all CCP had to do was build the damn game. Why aren't Eve pilots walking in stations with the unlimited power of PCs at CCPs fingertips? The way I look at it, when it comes to game development, CCP is 1 for 4. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5427	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:55:00 - [148] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: when legion comes out on PC we will have every promise fulfilled that is all anyone should be concerned about. Anyone who thinks staying in the stone age on an old platform is better than moving to a much more adaptive platform like PC is deluding themselves. also any promises made by CCP were for dust not ps3 and ccp will take it anywhere it needs to go to fulfill those promises so no promises have been broken So you're saying that Legion will also be "laser focused on PS3" like we were promised? And I assume you're also saying that instead of being called "EVE: Legion" as they've told us it will be, and instead of being "an entirely new game" as they've told us it is, it will be "DUST 514: Legion" and will be an expansion to the existing game we're currently playing on PS3. If any of that is true, I suggest you provide a reliable source to back up your claims, since we've already seen plenty of evidence from official sources stating the exact opposite.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:59:00 - [149] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs? your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players See, now this is a guy who threw all his SP into fanboys. He can magically say whatever he feels and it becomes true. stuff like, what CCP does is art, they won't let things become stagnant Obvious doesn't Dust much these past 2 years, and player bases get stronger as people leave. Lol
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1529	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:09:00 - [150] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs? your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players See, now this is a guy who threw all his SP into fanboys. He can magically say whatever he feels and it becomes true. stuff like, what CCP does is art, they won't let things become stagnant Obvious doesn't Dust much these past 2 years, and player bases get stronger as people leave. Lol believe what you want. i really don't care what you believe just like you don't care what i believe. you can sit there with a broken game like dust currently is or you can choose to accept the inevitable changes and follow dust as it moves to PC in its next evolution. if your not willing to adapt to change then you are in with the wrong company. maybe you should move along now before the next changes you don't like All Hail Legion

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5429	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:10:00 - [151] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players You're (not "your") missing the point. CCP don't up the specs on EVE and force players out, they up the specs on EVE when more than 95% of existing players already meet the new requirements. They don't force the playerbase to upgrade to keep up. They wait for the playerbase to upgrade then work with the new tools that gives them. You're (still not "your") missing another point too. THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE DECISION TO MOVE TO PC. That was always a possibility. The lie wasn't that CCP decided to move to PC. The lie was that they told us they weren't changing platform WHILE they were already in the process of moving to PC. The lie was that they told us they were working on DUST and explicitly stated they were working on DUST while working on Legion, and they've told us that Legion is not DUST. Either they're lying about Legion not being DUST, or they were lying about working on DUST while working on Legion. There is no "they didn't lie to us" option in there. The game was ALWAYS planned for a move to next-gen. We had been told at Sony's E3 presentation that DUST was coming to PS4. That is no longer the case, but until Fanfest, we were given no reason to believe otherwise, in spite of it not being true. CCP's failure to provide that information was a lie of omission, and at best qualifies as a violation of laws about misleading conduct in many parts of the world. At worst, there are points about which they have directly lied, making it not merely misleading, but outright false advertising. All that said, I'm still hoping that CCP are willing to do something to appease the playerbase, and to support us going forward. If they can do that, I'm likely to show up in Legion. But I don't currently feel like I can trust them to live up to what should be a reasonable expectation.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1619	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:13:00 - [152] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs? your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players See, now this is a guy who threw all his SP into fanboys. He can magically say whatever he feels and it becomes true. stuff like, what CCP does is art, they won't let things become stagnant Obvious doesn't Dust much these past 2 years, and player bases get stronger as people leave. Lol believe what you want. i really don't care what you believe just like you don't care what i believe. you can sit there with a broken game like dust currently is or you can choose to accept the inevitable changes and follow dust as it moves to PC in its next evolution. if your not willing to adapt to change then you are in with the wrong company. maybe you should move along now before the next changes you don't like I'm going to choose the option of ** Legion, ** CCP time to play PS 2, Destiny, and a multitude of other games by better developers. You have fun with Dust 514 while waiting for CCP to deliver the game they've promised within the next 3 years.....sucker! Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 657	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:16:00 - [153] - Quote The continued stupidity in this thread astounds me. There's a difference between defending CCP's idea to move to a better system, versus completely defending their recent purposeful withholding of information in order to obtain extra profits they never would have accrued.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 294	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:17:00 - [154] - Quote They can make all the ART they want, but it won't mean squat if it's no fun to play because it's core, fundamental gameplay mechanics are broken. Your great big sandbox will be nothing more than a great big wasteland. I hope they're working on plenty of tumbleweeds to go along with those trees.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5441	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:29:00 - [155] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: They can make all the ART they want, but it won't mean squat if it's no fun to play because it's core, fundamental gameplay mechanics are broken. Your great big sandbox will be nothing more than a great big wasteland. I hope they're working on plenty of tumbleweeds to go along with those trees. Maybe they should add tumbleweeds to DUST just to prove they ARE still working on new content for the game on PS3?
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 659	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:32:00 - [156] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: They can make all the ART they want, but it won't mean squat if it's no fun to play because it's core, fundamental gameplay mechanics are broken. Your great big sandbox will be nothing more than a great big wasteland. I hope they're working on plenty of tumbleweeds to go along with those trees. Maybe they should add tumbleweeds to DUST just to prove they ARE still working on new content for the game on PS3? Haha, that's a good one
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 819	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:36:00 - [157] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: KING SALASI wrote: Quote: Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787 So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company. It pains me to even respond to such baseless accusations but it must be done. So he said that they are committed to DUST over the long term. You focus on the fact that "Legion" and "DUST" are not the same words and that one is on PC and the other on PS3 and try to incite hatred based on that. What was he supposed to say? "We are committed to EVE, Valkyrie, and...whatever we'll be calling the EVE universe MMOFPS when we decided what platform it needs to be on." When he said DUST, he meant DUST and Legion, because Legion is clearly DUST 2 on the PC. This should be obvious. It's obvious to me. You don't see the connection though and so it's a LIE and a BETRAYAL. Or maybe you're capable of perceiving the obvious and you do see the connection but you're just trying to use anything you can as a weapon against CCP because you're pissed because eventually you'll have to have a PC to play DUST. I've never seen such petty, nit-picking, grudge-holding attempts at twisting the truth as on these forums in the past few days!!! It seems you are the one who is having trouble distinguishing the difference in the two. Even when CCP( you know, the people developing both games) say they are not the same. Basically it boils down to you are a pointless troll or an idiot. I shall let you declare which on you are. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5344	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:46:00 - [158] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: I don't take personally what game developers do with their game, and I certainly don't have enough information upon which to base a judgement of their actions. Neither do you. How bout we let them try to make a good game and just stick to shooting things? If you don't have any evidence, experience or other wise, then pray tell how you feel comfortable defending them. Also that last line is just plain insulting. It's like telling a woman to stop arguing and get back in the kitchen. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:46:00 - [159] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard. eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs? your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players See, now this is a guy who threw all his SP into fanboys. He can magically say whatever he feels and it becomes true. stuff like, what CCP does is art, they won't let things become stagnant Obvious doesn't Dust much these past 2 years, and player bases get stronger as people leave. Lol believe what you want. i really don't care what you believe just like you don't care what i believe. you can sit there with a broken game like dust currently is or you can choose to accept the inevitable changes and follow dust as it moves to PC in its next evolution. if your not willing to adapt to change then you are in with the wrong company. maybe you should move along now before the next changes you don't like lol the ol' "I believe what I wan'" I'm not just being prick online when I say these rude things to you people - I am being honest. It's a fact a lot of the stuff your spewing is biased non-sense. You may as well just come in here and say PC MASTER RACE. Your on a console game forum, what the **** do you expect??? You call Dust broken - I agree, I love to call it broken all the time, but it's not actually broken, more so then incomplete. And now, abandoned. Regardless if it would do better being completely re-worked else where, is irrelevant. We are here, and we paid and were told lies about our future for a very long time. So, when I see people like you spewing non-sense, and it is quite literally non-sense, I doubt you understand anything you speak of, I just want to tell you over and over again to biomass.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 220	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:46:00 - [160] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: KING SALASI wrote: Quote: Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787 So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company. It pains me to even respond to such baseless accusations but it must be done. So he said that they are committed to DUST over the long term. You focus on the fact that "Legion" and "DUST" are not the same words and that one is on PC and the other on PS3 and try to incite hatred based on that. What was he supposed to say? "We are committed to EVE, Valkyrie, and...whatever we'll be calling the EVE universe MMOFPS when we decided what platform it needs to be on." When he said DUST, he meant DUST and Legion, because Legion is clearly DUST 2 on the PC. This should be obvious. It's obvious to me. You don't see the connection though and so it's a LIE and a BETRAYAL. Or maybe you're capable of perceiving the obvious and you do see the connection but you're just trying to use anything you can as a weapon against CCP because you're pissed because eventually you'll have to have a PC to play DUST. I've never seen such petty, nit-picking, grudge-holding attempts at twisting the truth as on these forums in the past few days!!! It seems you are the one who is having trouble distinguishing the difference in the two. Even when CCP( you know, the people developing both games) say they are not the same. Basically it boils down to you are a pointless troll or an idiot. I shall let you declare which on you are. I am pretty sure he is a CCP developer alt, just talking crap on the forums. I mean no one is really this entirely thick-headed are they? Listen dude, CCP lied about EVERYTHING when it came to Dust 514. CCP will abandon the game, and start a NEW COMPLETELY DIFFERENT one called legion. CCP will transfer the very bare minimum of stuff from dust to legion. Dust is dead, Legion is vaporware, and CCP is full of empty promises. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:54:00 - [161] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I am pretty sure he is a CCP developer alt, just talking crap on the forums. I mean no one is really this entirely thick-headed are they? . lol someone else finally noticed how he's been replying. He's baiting people to come take a slap at him with the title that is obviously controversial and will stir people. He's already been shown the many lies. Has he acknowledge a single one? I believe he himself counted 4. But I will speculate no further, as it's pointless even if he was. But, regardless, this thread should of been over. He's been shown the lies and explained too. If he refuses to accept it then he's just another fanboy. To companies who work with him in the future - feel free to lie and cheat him all you like - he won't care as long as you keep making flashy promises.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 386	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:01:00 - [162] - Quote Well I don't see where else these conversations about recent goings on can go. We know all we can know right now: a) DUST will be moving to PC and they intend to add a lot more to it (better graphics, PVE, etc. etc.) and integrate it with EVE and Valkyrie (these being explained as the reasons for the move) b) Some people are happy about it, some people are ROYALLY pissed. c) CCP continued to have events and encourage buying Aurum even while they were working on Project Legion. Some people attribute sinister motives to this. Some think they were just trying to keep the game interesting and give us something to do while making a little bit of money off of their free game. And some couldn't give two *****, are fine with having spent real money on the game (especially those that intend to transfer the SP they earned with omegas to Legion) and laugh heartily at talk of BETRAYAL!!!!!. d) CCP didn't reveal Project Legion until months after they started working on it. (What influence their contract with Sony had on this is unknown.) d) When CCP talked about their EVE universe MMOFPS they called it "DUST 514" and not something else. So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5346	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:12:00 - [163] - Quote I'm not mad that they're changing platforms. I'm mad that they felt the need to lie to us about it for so long. I would actually support them in there decision if they had done it in a classy way. Instead they mislead us until the very last possible moment, and that is what pains us. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 388	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:13:00 - [164] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I am pretty sure he is a CCP developer alt, just talking crap on the forums. I mean no one is really this entirely thick-headed are they? . lol someone else finally noticed how he's been replying. He's baiting people to come take a slap at him with the title that is obviously controversial and will stir people. He's already been shown the many lies. Has he acknowledge a single one? I believe he himself counted 4. But I will speculate no further, as it's pointless even if he was. But, regardless, this thread should of been over. He's been shown the lies and explained too. If he refuses to accept it then he's just another fanboy. To companies who work with him in the future - feel free to lie and cheat him all you like - he won't care as long as you keep making flashy promises. You call it lies. I call it them trying, failing, and now trying something else. It happens...even to people who make games! Most of them just sweep it under the rug and start with something fresh and new and never speak of the failure again. CCP chose instead to remain committed to their goals and try again. You ever tried that? People that operate like that tend to create awesome stuff, because they keep trying until it works. If I promised to paint a painting for you, and you saw me working on it for several days and started to get attached to it, thinking it would be hanging above your mantle, but then I said "Dude I'm sorry. I can't give you this one. I had a specific vision for what I wanted to give you and this isn't quite it. But through making this painting I've figured out exactly what I want to paint for you and how I'm going to do it, so just wait another week or so and I'll give the painting I really wanted to make for you and it'll be awesome! Is that cool?" would you then scream at me, call me a liar, tear up the original painting, declare our friendship over, and storm out, knocking stuff over and spitting on stuff as you leave? Cuz that's kinda what you're doing here.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5448	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:16:00 - [165] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: a) DUST will be moving to PC and they intend to add a lot more to it (better graphics, PVE, etc. etc.) and integrate it with EVE and Valkyrie (these being explained as the reasons for the move) Source? For... ANY of that? 1. You're wrong, because DUST isn't moving. DUST is being abandoned and Legion - directly stated to be a different game by CCP - is coming to PC and replacing it. 2. You're wrong, because the integration with EVE and Valkyrie wasn't stated to be the reason for the move. The reason given was that the PS3 can't handle their vision for the future of DUST. Quote: b) Some people are happy about it, some people are ROYALLY pissed. You're forgetting that some people WOULD be happy about the move to PC if DUST was actually going to PC. You're also forgetting that some are happy with Legion being a new PC project, but are ROYALLY pissed about having been lied to (both directly and by omission) in the leadup to this announcement. Quote: c) CCP continued to have events and encourage buying Aurum even while they were working on Project Legion. Some people attribute sinister motives to this. Some think they were just trying to keep the game interesting and give us something to do while making a little bit of money off of their free game. And some couldn't give two ***, are fine with having spent real money on the game (especially those that intend to transfer the SP they earned with omegas to Legion) and laugh heartily at talk of BETRAYAL!!!!!. ...and some, while not attributing "sinister motives" to it, as simply baffled at how CCP could have thought this would do anything but reflect badly in light of the aforementioned witholding of information. Quote: d) CCP didn't reveal Project Legion until months after they started working on it. (What influence their contract with Sony had on this is unknown.) True. Quote:** d) When CCP talked about their EVE universe MMOFPS they called it "DUST 514" and not something else. When CCP talked specifically about DUST 514, they were talking about DUST 514. When they announced Legion, they explicitly stated that is IS NOT DUST 514. Also, that point should have been e)
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5448	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:17:00 - [166] - Quote Quote: So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it shows of slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?"
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 441	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:23:00 - [167] - Quote Wow this is awesome and too full of reason for unreasonable to understand.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 23	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:33:00 - [168] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1818	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:35:00 - [169] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Well I don't see where else these conversations about recent goings on can go. We know all we can know right now: a) DUST will be moving to PC and they intend to add a lot more to it (better graphics, PVE, etc. etc.) and integrate it with EVE and Valkyrie (these being explained as the reasons for the move) b) Some people are happy about it, some people are ROYALLY pissed. c) CCP continued to have events and encourage buying Aurum even while they were working on Project Legion. Some people attribute sinister motives to this. Some think they were just trying to keep the game interesting and give us something to do while making a little bit of money off of their free game. And some couldn't give two *****, are fine with having spent real money on the game (especially those that intend to transfer the SP they earned with omegas to Legion) and laugh heartily at talk of BETRAYAL!!!!!. d) CCP didn't reveal Project Legion until months after they started working on it. (What influence their contract with Sony had on this is unknown.) d) When CCP talked about their EVE universe MMOFPS they called it "DUST 514" and not something else. So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. so, you see how a) is immediately wrong. dust is NOT moving to the pc. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1818	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:39:00 - [170] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players You're (not "your") missing the point. CCP don't up the specs on EVE and force players out, they up the specs on EVE when more than 95% of existing players already meet the new requirements. They don't force the playerbase to upgrade to keep up. They wait for the playerbase to upgrade then work with the new tools that gives them. You're (still not "your") missing another point too. THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE DECISION TO MOVE TO PC. That was always a possibility. The lie wasn't that CCP decided to move to PC. The lie was that they told us they weren't changing platform WHILE they were already in the process of moving to PC. The lie was that they told us they were working on DUST and explicitly stated they were working on DUST while working on Legion, and they've told us that Legion is not DUST. Either they're lying about Legion not being DUST, or they were lying about working on DUST while working on Legion. There is no "they didn't lie to us" option in there. The game was ALWAYS planned for a move to next-gen. We had been told at Sony's E3 presentation that DUST was coming to PS4. That is no longer the case, but until Fanfest, we were given no reason to believe otherwise, in spite of it not being true. CCP's failure to provide that information was a lie of omission, and at best qualifies as a violation of laws about misleading conduct in many parts of the world. At worst, there are points about which they have directly lied, making it not merely misleading, but outright false advertising. All that said, I'm still hoping that CCP are willing to do something to appease the playerbase, and to support us going forward. If they can do that, I'm likely to show up in Legion. But I don't currently feel like I can trust them to live up to what should be a reasonable expectation. man, you should have been in my corp. pure truth. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1654	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:40:00 - [171] - Quote SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1818	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:43:00 - [172] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar? exactly. all they have to do is say "dropsuit skills are not applicable" and you lose 20 million skillpoints. playing a dead title for two more years you'll have 50 million skillpoints in dropsuits. and they'll be gone. not applicable. and vehicle skills... i think we can all agree that vehicles will need to be completely different if they're going to build a new game. not applicable. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 393	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:55:00 - [173] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar? It will only help the game to have some people right at the start taking the bull by the horns and grabbing for power. It will generate emergent content faster. And the sandbox will be big enough for noobs with 1 mil SP to play in their corner with each other undisturbed until they're ready to venture out into the dangerous world...under the protective wing of this or that don from DUST. And, as in EVE, SP advantages diminish over time. Someone with 30 mil SP will own someone with 10 mil SP, but 40 mil vs. 20 mil is more even, especially if the 20 mil guy has specialized. You stay in high sec until the lords of null sec have a use for you (which will be immediate in Legion, and we will be the lords) and then, even if you're still relatively weak, there's a place for you in the swarm, or horde, or whatever. Once the system is in place everything works within it to create emergent content. Even if some vengeful DUST players banded together to break the game and put CCP out of business, they'd just be generating emergent content. They would be putting money in CCP's pocket and helping the game. Resistance is futile.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:59:00 - [174] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Surt gods end wrote: SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar? It will only help the game to have some people right at the start taking the bull by the horns and grabbing for power. It will generate emergent content faster. And the sandbox will be big enough for noobs with 1 mil SP to play in their corner with each other undisturbed until they're ready to venture out into the dangerous world...under the protective wing of this or that don from DUST. And, as in EVE, SP advantages diminish over time. Someone with 30 mil SP will own someone with 10 mil SP, but 40 mil vs. 20 mil is more even, especially if the 20 mil guy has specialized. You stay in high sec until the lords of null sec have a use for you (which will be immediate in Legion, and we will be the lords) and then, even if you're still relatively weak, there's a place for you in the swarm, or horde, or whatever. Once the system is in place everything works within it to create emergent content. Even if some vengeful DUST players banded together to break the game and put CCP out of business, they'd just be generating emergent content. They would be putting money in CCP's pocket and helping the game. Resistance is futile. So, when will it help the game to kill Legion and make PheonixFred90210 It'll be on PS5 which is basically a computer/mac rolled into one with hookers it'll cost 10,000 to own though, which Sony doesn't care at this point because they already won. If you're not up to date you deserve to fall behind, amiright?
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 303	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:01:00 - [175] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome. Of course the difference being that I never once went onto the Eve forums and mocked them for it. Bite me.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 396	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:02:00 - [176] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Quote: So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?" You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1463	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:07:00 - [177] - Quote I don't know if I have ever seen a more dense mind than the OP. Time and time again people have refuted the OP with facts demonstrating exactly how he/she is wrong, and time and time again he/she ignores it. I cannot fathom how this person gets through life.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 230	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:11:00 - [178] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Quote: So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?" You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters. T20 incident "batphone" incident RMT incident changing 90 day GTCs to way way more expensive 60 day GTCs (i.e. almost not price drop) CPM being ignored by devs The Hilmar diaries Barbiegate (also known as monoclegate) Selective ship reimbursements (back when Bob was a thing) Should I continue? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5455	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:17:00 - [179] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters. No, I act like you're downplaying what they've done here and acting like it wasn't a terrible breach of good faith AT ABSOLUTE BEST. They told us things that were quite simply not true on multiple occasions, and they left us with misconceptions they had set up because they didn't want to spoil some big reveal when any person outside the autistic spectrum (and probably a surprising number within it) could have told them it was a terrible idea that was going to backfire spectacularly (and some - the CPM - did). You act like their blatant lies don't matter because they're still delivering what they promised, even though they AREN'T delivering it the way they promised to. They promised a massive MMOFPS on console with constantly-evolving content. They promised a PS4 version. They promised a lot of content on PS3 before they move to next-gen. What we're getting is NOTHING MORE of what was promised for PS3, and NO assurances of the PS4 version still being part of the plan, and a PC game that's explicitly stated NOT to be the same game we've been playing. You claim they've never lied to us WHILE STARING AT PROOF OF THEIR LIES, because they never lied before. Except that one time when they did and everyone was really angry at them. But that was ok, because they apologised. Just like they HAVEN'T YET OVER THIS HUGE MISTAKE. When they actually apologised, and start taking measures to make up for it, I'll stop pointing out that they've screwed up big time here, and I'll stop asking for an apology, BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE GIVEN ME ONE. You need proof? While working on Legion, we were directly told that DUST is still in development. You could argue that this isn't a lie, because Legion is DUST, but they've ALSO explicitly stated that Legion isn't DUST. So either Legion is DUST and they lied about that, or it isn't and they lied about working on DUST. It doesn't matter which, they lied. And either way, there was a lie of omission by telling us they were focused on PS3 and NOT informing us when they changed their focus, and there were several direct lies where they re-iterated that they were still focused on PS3 after shifting their focus to Legion on PC. Lies, deception, misleading sales tactics because people relying on the information they had were spending money some of them wouldn't (and some people who WOULD have spent money if they'd known earlier probably haven't)... You shouldn't be defending this. You want the game to succeed, right? Unless it HONOURS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, it can't.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1655	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:19:00 - [180] - Quote @Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 397	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:19:00 - [181] - Quote On a positive note... Don't despair! Every single one of us will find gamer bliss in the near future. Some people will biomass their clones (and regret it later) and happily dive into Destiny or The Division (looks awesome) or The Elder Scrolls Online or whatever. Many of us will happily dive into Legion. A few will get girlfriends and not have time to care anymore, but they'll be happy cuz they'll be gettin busy if y'know what I mean. Of course all of us will eventually end up back in the EVE universe because it's already got its claws in us. You'll see. You'll try to give up DUST/Legion but find that other shooters are spoiled for you now. You'll see how A-MA-ZING Legion/Valkyrie/EVE is, brood for a while and finally give in and come back into the fold. When that time comes, hit me up. I'll be the iron-fisted yet whimsical overlord of 300 crazed pirates based in the deepest reaches of -1.0 space.....and I'll have 50 million SP more than you, but I'll welcome you with open arms and show you the ropes. But don't think I'll be giving you access to the corp wallet....ever. And we'll all live happily ever after!
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 25	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:20:00 - [182] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome. Of course the difference being that I never once went onto the Eve forums and mocked them for it. Bite me. It's not mocking if it's the truth. This is mocking: "Show us on the doll where the bad capsuleer touched you."
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 397	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:21:00 - [183] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: @Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol Look at where EVE is now. I'm not trying to minimize it. It was more than a hiccup. It was a train wreck. But it's in the past and has only made EVE stronger.....so it just feels like a hiccup.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 315	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:22:00 - [184] - Quote Market connection to EVE There was many - you kiss ass loser
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:25:00 - [185] - Quote why are you still trying to defend CCP? The thread name is "Name one promise ccp broke?" and guess what we named many promises they broke that enough should show you that you have already lost OP. Your fanboyness is really making me sick
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 436	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:28:00 - [186] - Quote Everything.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 397	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:29:00 - [187] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: Everything. 42
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5460	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:34:00 - [188] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Surt gods end wrote: @Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol Look at where EVE is now. I'm not trying to minimize it. It was more than a hiccup. It was a train wreck. But it's in the past and has only made EVE stronger.....so it just feels like a hiccup. Look at where DUST is now. Look at where Legion is now. If it's handled right, then sure. In a few years, this will just be a hiccup. Maybe there will be a few new statues somewhere in New Eden, honouring those who fought CCP and ultimately lost the war to keep the game on PS3. Maybe there will be one with your name on it, or even mine. And maybe some of Legion's DUST vets will have our own unique dropsuits that newer players can never get their hands on. But right now, if we roll over and pretend this isn't a problem, and let CCP steamroll our objections, we'll get exactly what we deserve. HTFU and fight.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:35:00 - [189] - Quote Lololol he called you neckbeards, then went on to talk about what CCP initally said vs. What CCP recently did skipping over the reality that they led their paying customers on by probably stating "you knew it was coming" etc. I say proabably and etc because I couldn't get past the first couple sentences after that where all assumptions and zero fact.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5460	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:35:00 - [190] - Quote Also, OP, I have a question for you...

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1825	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:41:00 - [191] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Quote: So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?" You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters. yes. that's why we're so pissed off. this is NOT what we expect from ccp. it is the opposite of what we expect. a ten year development plan. unless it gets hard. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 554	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:47:00 - [192] - Quote Monthly Updates
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 259	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:00:00 - [193] - Quote I use to be a huge CCP fanboy, when Uprising launched I said give CCP time they will get Dust right. Then months past and Dust was getting worse. I said hey Eve started out rough they will get Dust fixed. You know the ten year plan. I started noticing a horrible trend every single patch broke something. Right around August 2013 I said i don't CCP can code for the PS3. GTAV launched i left, but i always checked the forums daily. I'm disappointed in CCP can't tell you how many Mag vets i converted to EVE Online. From this point forward I can no longer support CCP. AS a gamer for over 30 years this is not how you treat your loyal fanbase. No matter how big or small. I can't believe anything from CCP anymore. Anything with CCP on it i will stay far away and console gamers don't forget when a Dev/Publisher screws them over. Just ask EA the brand CCP is tarnished in the console community.
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2014.05.07 05:55:00 - [194] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: ISuperstar wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promise... Thats exactly the ***** point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future! We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!! Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ***** platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them. Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust! Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey. They still say they don't have any plans on abandoning the console in the near future. And when Legion is released on PC you'll be able to transfer over your character with all his stuff intact. Do you want to play DUST as it was meant to be played? Then when the time comes, buy a PC (doesn't have to be top of the line) and play it. Not that important to you to play a better DUST? Sweet, go play another game on console. Everyone is taking this so personally as if CCP are like fascists declaring the supremacy of the PC Master Race and putting patches on the arms of all console players so that they can be identified as untouchable. Puh-lease!!! It has nothing to do with that! They're making the change purely because of technical limitations of the PS3! If DUST stays on the PS3 it's development will eventually reach the limits of the platform and then DUST will slowly die. They had to make the change because of hardware, software, Sony getting in the way...these kinds of things. The fact that they were committed to PS3 before means that they were optimistic and trying to make it work on PS3. It also shows their lack of foresight in contingency planning for the possibility that PS3 wouldn't work long term. That's a lot different from a LIE. And honestly, even if there was some douche among their decision makers that wasn't forthcoming when he should have been, I really don't care. I don't need devs to be moral saints. I need them to work hard to make DUST great. That's what they're trying to do, so I'm content. And by the way, when Legion comes out on PC, I will have to buy a new rig and I will do so happily. As a PC gamer and a console [who probably has a PC that would crush yours unless you're running an 8-core i7], get off the bandwagon of the "PS3 limitations" and focus on only one point I've made throughout various posts on Dust: technical limitation does nothing to affect public relations, game planning and direction nor imbalances present in the game. Should a commando running with 200 shield and 500 armor be attributed to the PS3 limitation? Should the inability to made an AI that avoids stacking of squads be solely caused the this devilry known as the PS3? Was it in fact the PS3 that somehow caused the assault rifle and Logi class to be broken! OMG I SEE THE LIGHT IT WAS SONY'S FAULT ALL THE TIME AND NOT CCP'S!! OMGZ THANKS FOR THE REVELATION
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 397	Posted - 2014.05.07 06:04:00 - [195] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Surt gods end wrote: @Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol Look at where EVE is now. I'm not trying to minimize it. It was more than a hiccup. It was a train wreck. But it's in the past and has only made EVE stronger.....so it just feels like a hiccup. Look at where DUST is now. Look at where Legion is now. If it's handled right, then sure. In a few years, this will just be a hiccup. Maybe there will be a few new statues somewhere in New Eden, honouring those who fought CCP and ultimately lost the war to keep the game on PS3. Maybe there will be one with your name on it, or even mine. And maybe some of Legion's DUST vets will have our own unique dropsuits that newer players can never get their hands on. But right now, if we roll over and pretend this isn't a problem, and let CCP steamroll our objections, we'll get exactly what we deserve. HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 829	Posted - 2014.05.07 06:46:00 - [196] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome. Again, if a person bought Aurum to purchase in-game items they are paying customers. Free game or not, the Aurum was not free. You can remove yourself from the pedestal now. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1067	Posted - 2014.05.07 07:01:00 - [197] - Quote Just watched the Dust keynote, Legion got the trees CCP promised for Dust! I feel so betrayed. Can't say I'm all that surprised.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2538	Posted - 2014.05.07 07:03:00 - [198] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Do me a favor: Go to youtube, search for 2012 dust keynotes fanfest presentation. Watch the video - notice something? Like all the stuff coming out in 2013 that never did and are now going to be on a different platform completely? Do you remember, "LASER FOCUSED ON PS3" Stop being a fanboy. Didn't read your post btw. But the line "Only on a ps3 forum would you get away without being... blah blah" was pretty stupid, do you even internet, bro? Here you go, fanfest 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Ozvef7CvQ#t=5287
Rupture Reaperson SyNergy Gaming EoN. 319	Posted - 2014.05.07 07:21:00 - [199] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Aww gawd you pubtrash are still around? being a fool... always a fool. On the other hand, glad to see Garrett still kicking.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 398	Posted - 2014.05.07 08:41:00 - [200] - Quote Rupture Reaperson wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Aww gawd you pubtrash are still around? A **** shot, even shittier poster. Not even the "PC mastah reis" can dissuade people of how ***** stupid you are, I thought I schooled you ass enough that maybe MAAAAAAYBE you could at least try to make sense, guess I was wrong... anyway, consumated fool... always a fool. On the other hand, glad to see Garrett still kicking ass. What? Are you high on illegal drugs? You killed me one time in an ambush or something? No clue who you are drunky.

PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.05.07 08:46:00 - [201] - Quote 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 400	Posted - 2014.05.07 08:49:00 - [202] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:00:00 - [203] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. https://mobile.twitter.com/ccp_praetorian/status/463512406803488768 Is it dog? Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:02:00 - [204] - Quote But hey it's heavily upgraded which has worked so well so far. Toodles Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5482	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:10:00 - [205] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right." Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:19:00 - [206] - Quote You mean the game that doesn't exist yet and hasn't been approved by the CEO? Ok Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:23:00 - [207] - Quote Also see anywhere in those twitter responses that answer the exact question? **** dust fiend the biggest legion fan boy asked him minutes after posting and neither him or any of the others got a confirmation that it will be u4 only that it's the "heavily modified" u3 Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
DR FEB Zero-Day 163	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:34:00 - [208] - Quote ''laser focused'' fallout 4 confirmed and being playtested :)
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5483	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:54:00 - [209] - Quote DR FEB wrote: ''laser focused'' Fixed.
Rupture Reaperson SyNergy Gaming EoN. 321	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:14:00 - [210] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Rupture Reaperson wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Aww gawd you pubtrash are still around? A **** shot, even shittier poster. Not even the "PC mastah reis" can dissuade people of how ***** stupid you are, I thought I schooled you ass enough that maybe MAAAAAAYBE you could at least try to make sense, guess I was wrong... anyway, consumated fool... always a fool. On the other hand, glad to see Garrett still kicking ass. What? Are you high on illegal drugs? You killed me one time in an ambush or something? No clue who you are drunky. Guess memory is a strange feature on Idiots

DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 302	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:31:00 - [211] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Amazing how y'all can type all these sentences without actually saying anything. The irony is strong with this one.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1384	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:38:00 - [212] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Stuff . You have no idea why people are mad do you. Im not going to list all the things for you. Go watch CCP fanfest 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011. Go read every page on the official dust 514 Website. Then think if the advertised vision matches the actual game. And you know, all thats stuff is fine, if you continue to develop the game. But Dust 514 development has essential ceased because CCP admitted they can't finish the vision on the PS3. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 547	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:39:00 - [213] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards. Sure start the post off by insulting the supposed eneraged crowd....kinda like throwing a pebble at a pissed off gorilla Are we even enraged anymore? Sure a litte sore but we stopped the forum rioting... MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 302	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:41:00 - [214] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: DTOracle wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures. No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about. While the OP is still just a ****, who himself is missing the big picture (while bashing everyone else), PS3 development has been rough for MANY game developers out there. Remember Fallout 3? I sure do & Bethesda didn't get a free pass on it or Skyrim. They had to fix the problems with their games. I finished both of those game or the PS3, they had plenty of problems but were eventually dealt with. Also those were completely open world games that were released years before this lobby shooter & still performed & looked better than Dust514.
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:07:00 - [215] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: Thats all I can think of in three minutes. Im sure if I went back and watched fanjets from last year I could find at least ten more and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion Finally....LOGIC! If you are so good at logic, please explain how being unable to deliver on promises means they did not break promises? Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 261	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:52:00 - [216] - Quote Yes the PS3 is limited with broken code Fix the code and we can have everything and more on whats going to happen in Legion /end CCP makes me physically ill
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 138	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:38:00 - [217] - Quote @zzZaXxx I thank God that I left Phoenix Fed before Fanfest, so as not to be associated with your own unique brand of reality-denying insanity. I left for different specific reasons, but this is a prime example of the results of those deeper issues. Enjoy Legion, but don't forget to bring your own lube as CCP has added a recent clause in the EULA that they can enter your home and violate you anally while sleeping. P.S. Not hating on all of TPF, several close friends still there, but as a group I found this person as more representative of the group than others.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1836	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:39:00 - [218] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. https://mobile.twitter.com/ccp_praetorian/status/463512406803488768 Is it dog? ccp praetorian doesn't even know what system this game is supposed to be running on. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 269	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:44:00 - [219] - Quote Sorry, I'm late! Any cool-aid left? I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1836	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:49:00 - [220] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: Sorry, I'm late! Any cool-aid left? contact jim jones immediately. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:51:00 - [221] - Quote The Jim jones reference is appropriate the sad part is Hilmars doesn't register he's Jones, or does he? Either way top notch CCP. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 553	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:59:00 - [222] - Quote im sure we all know this game http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ffxiv-arr-box-art.jpg right ? Its on ps3 and not only does this game share servers with a ps4 and pc but it also has every single feature that the pc and ps4 also have, and its more massive than dust . So tell me why is it that this lobby shooter cant get a few new features added to it? If it was really the ps3 then the ps3 version of ffxiv wouldnt have as much stuff as it does on it. The blame is all on CCP
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 268	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:04:00 - [223] - Quote Nstomper wrote: im sure we all know this game http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ffxiv-arr-box-art.jpg right ? Its on ps3 and not only does this game share servers with a ps4 and pc but it also has every single feature that the pc and ps4 also have, and its more massive than dust . So tell me why is it that this lobby shooter cant get a few new features added to it? If it was really the ps3 then the ps3 version of ffxiv wouldnt have as much stuff as it does on it. The blame is all on CCP Exactly right. Other developers can quite easily get much greater performance from their games on the PS3 while developing a MULTIPLATFORM GAME. Dust is the result of cut-rate chinese labor, not PS3 hardware limitations. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1838	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:05:00 - [224] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: The Jim jones reference is appropriate the sad part is Hilmars doesn't register he's Jones, or does he? Either way top notch CCP. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1838	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:07:00 - [225] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right." Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4. devs have already stated that they don't intend to use the unreal 4 engine. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2009	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:10:00 - [226] - Quote inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Then go enjoy legion. Seriously, nothing is going to stop you from getting a decent PC and playing other games until you can go play legion. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:14:00 - [227] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Then go enjoy legion. Seriously, nothing is going to stop you from getting a decent PC and playing other games until you can go play legion. If i ever do decide to get a gaming pc which is like close to not a chance, i sure as hell will not get it to play anymore games that this company full of broken promises may bring to the table.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4503	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:16:00 - [228] - Quote Nstomper wrote: im sure we all know this game http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ffxiv-arr-box-art.jpg right ? Its on ps3 and not only does this game share servers with a ps4 and pc but it also has every single feature that the pc and ps4 also have, and its more massive than dust . So tell me why is it that this lobby shooter cant get a few new features added to it? If it was really the ps3 then the ps3 version of ffxiv wouldnt have as much stuff as it does on it. The blame is all on CCP well thats an MMO and i imagine theres some substantial differences between the coding and processing required for an MMO and an FPS and as someone who owns both the ps3 and ps4 version, the devs got the ps3 version to run by making it look like ****.
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:17:00 - [229] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 554	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:24:00 - [230] - Quote gbghg wrote: Nstomper wrote: im sure we all know this game http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ffxiv-arr-box-art.jpg right ? Its on ps3 and not only does this game share servers with a ps4 and pc but it also has every single feature that the pc and ps4 also have, and its more massive than dust . So tell me why is it that this lobby shooter cant get a few new features added to it? If it was really the ps3 then the ps3 version of ffxiv wouldnt have as much stuff as it does on it. The blame is all on CCP well thats an MMO and i imagine theres some substantial differences between the coding and processing required for an MMO and an FPS and as someone who owns both the ps3 and ps4 version, the devs got the ps3 version to run by making it look like ****. it doesnt look that bad or at least it didnt for me because of my beautiful Haier HDTV... anyway... CCP advertises this game to be massive right? As a matter of fact " MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER SHOOTER" "brings intense infantry combat, large-scale warfare, and deep character advancement to a free-to-play massively multiplayer shooter" but guess what its not massive at all .. and okay since you want to trhow out the shooter things then how about defiance? Its a shooter and its open world and though i may not like that game anymore it has more to offer than dust oh and lets not forgot that Destiny the game that i really cant wait for.

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:34:00 - [231] - Quote low genius wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right." Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4. devs have already stated that they don't intend to use the unreal 4 engine. source? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:35:00 - [232] - Quote Nstomper wrote: gbghg wrote: Nstomper wrote: im sure we all know this game http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ffxiv-arr-box-art.jpg right ? Its on ps3 and not only does this game share servers with a ps4 and pc but it also has every single feature that the pc and ps4 also have, and its more massive than dust . So tell me why is it that this lobby shooter cant get a few new features added to it? If it was really the ps3 then the ps3 version of ffxiv wouldnt have as much stuff as it does on it. The blame is all on CCP well thats an MMO and i imagine theres some substantial differences between the coding and processing required for an MMO and an FPS and as someone who owns both the ps3 and ps4 version, the devs got the ps3 version to run by making it look like ****. it doesnt look that bad or at least it didnt for me because of my beautiful Haier HDTV... anyway... CCP advertises this game to be massive right? As a matter of fact " MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER SHOOTER" "brings intense infantry combat, large-scale warfare, and deep character advancement to a free-to-play massively multiplayer shooter" but guess what its not massive at all .. and okay since you want to trhow out the shooter things then how about defiance? Its a shooter and its open world and though i may not like that game anymore it has more to offer than dust oh and lets not forgot that Destiny the game that i really cant wait for. Now is a PC platform a smarter move. Probably given how the PC is a easier architecture to design, while PS3 architecture is extremely complex. Notice how CCP did not use any excuses on hardware capability for the PS3? its because PS3 can handle what the Legion is capable of doing, but its extremely difficult to do so because of PS3 architecture is a bi-tch to design. Their have been MMO's on console products before. Look at Playstation 2 with its Final Fantasy 11.. Noted it was better on PC but it was more than capable on the console product, just not nearly as good. On PS3 check out defiance, DC Universe or Final Fantasy 14 reborn which are all MMO's. MMO's or open sandbox gameplay is not the limitation on the console and CCP was careful enough not to say that.
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:36:00 - [233] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: low genius wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right." Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4. devs have already stated that they don't intend to use the unreal 4 engine. source? Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions. Here's the dev post on the forums. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2141348#post2141348
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:36:00 - [234] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions. Here's the dev post on the forums. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2141348#post2141348 Also zzZaXxx CCP failed on many promises for the console player base. There were many piece of equipment that were suppose to be deployed in 2013 like the stasis webifer, and the energy drainer. Everyone else who has commented mention their "laser focus on Consoles" and they did not mention bring Dust to PC (or in this case Legion as this is the first we have hear of this project). Hatred is not geared towards PC platform or the PC community but how CCP decided that alienating a community from is "focused" platform to improve the game in a easier method is more important (which is their right as a company to do so, of course this will have severe ramifications now and the future to come). Now is a PC platform a smarter move. Probably given how the PC is a easier architecture to design, while PS3 architecture is extremely complex. Notice how CCP did not use any excuses on hardware capability for the PS3? its because PS3 can handle what the Legion is capable of doing, but its extremely difficult to do so because of PS3 architecture is a *** to design. So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote:** I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but really a quote you want to use? 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:39:00 - [235] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Minor Treat wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions. Here's the dev post on the forums. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2141348#post2141348 Also zzZaXxx CCP failed on many promises for the console player base. There were many piece of equipment that were suppose to be deployed in 2013 like the stasis webifer, and the energy drainer. Everyone else who has commented mention their "laser focus on Consoles" and they did not mention bring Dust to PC (or in this case Legion as this is the first we have hear of this project). Hatred is not geared towards PC platform or the PC community but how CCP decided that alienating a community from is "focused" platform to improve the game in a easier method is more important (which is their right as a company to do so, of course this will have severe ramifications now and the future to come). Now is a PC platform a smarter move. Probably given how the PC is a easier architecture to design, while PS3 architecture is extremely complex. Notice how CCP did not use any excuses on hardware capability for the PS3? its because PS3 can handle what the Legion is capable of doing, but its extremely difficult to do so because of PS3 architecture is a *** to design. So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote:** I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5507	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:07:00 - [236] - Quote It's been explicitly stated that the current demo for Legion is running in UE3 by one of the devs on Twitter. I'm pretty sure UE4 was mentioned as something being considered for the project though. Don't have a direct source I can link right now, unfortunately, so it's possible I'm piecing that together from assumptions made on the forums.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 271	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:10:00 - [237] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. Edit: as a matter of fact, if he is not a source than Clearly the developers within CCP are not sources either. So yes I would quote a community Manager within CCP as a opposed to a guy on the forums who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW. God you are dumb. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:14:00 - [238] - Quote U4 was thrown out mistakenly during ff. guess what same game same team and now you get to always wonder if it running like crap because of your computer. Progress? Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 969	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:19:00 - [239] - Quote Quote: Name ONE promise CCP broke http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-confident-about-dust-514-s-five-year-future-255455.phtml Credit to Stubby, give it a read. On 06.06.2013 this is what CCP told us: GÇ£WeGÇÖll never make a Dust 514-2'GÇ¥ "UprisingGÇÖ is not the end of the major, free updates. WeGÇÖve got quite a few more planned for the rest of 2013 and then out for two years, out for five years, out for ten years, just like EVE. Other upcoming modes include GÇ£Penetration,GÇ¥ which will allow Dust mercenaries to raid and board EVEGÇÖs Titan-class warships, and GÇ£Gladiator,GÇ¥ a set of organized tournaments that will include in-game betting and streaming.GÇ¥
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:23:00 - [240] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Minor Treat wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. Edit: as a matter of fact, if he is not a source than Clearly the developers within CCP are not sources either. So yes I would quote a community Manager within CCP as a opposed to a guy on the forums who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW. God you are dumb. It does not exclude him as a source. And by what he doesn't know could be misinterpreted by your feeble mind. He said "I won't pretend I know what I am talking about" essentially he cannot go into details about how it was modified. Keep in mind his tag reads CCP he represents CCP so whatever source of information comes out of his mouth represents CCP's mouth. So I think we know whos dumb because you keep jumping to conclusions without clarification and more so that you have not go a single link to provide evidence for your claim of Unreal engine 4. Note... Unreal 4 is extremely high quality. Legion looks good but not that good. Here is a video with how Unreal 4 looks on console and PC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtfCWYjOsvI

PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:27:00 - [241] - Quote Why isn't this thread locked by now? Google has ten thousands examples. This only make the CCP white nights look stupid and will only lead to there exit as they wake up. CCP do yourself a favor stop asking your fans to apologize for you, stand up and admit your errors (HILMAR). Your reputation is falling apart and your making your crazy but overly loyal fans jump through hoops they shouldn't have to. It's like watching a domestic disturbance on cops where the battered wife says he was just drunk. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 281	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:27:00 - [242] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You do realise that the game being released on the pc (if it gets the green light) is not dust , its called legion. Might have the same mechanics but it isnt DUST
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:30:00 - [243] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Minor Treat wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. Edit: as a matter of fact, if he is not a source than Clearly the developers within CCP are not sources either. So yes I would quote a community Manager within CCP as a opposed to a guy on the forums who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW. God you are dumb. It does not exclude him as a source. And by what he doesn't know could be misinterpreted by your feeble mind. He said "I won't pretend I know what I am talking about" essentially he cannot go into details about how it was modified. Keep in mind his tag reads CCP he represents CCP so whatever source of information comes out of his mouth represents CCP's mouth. So I think we know whos dumb because you keep jumping to conclusions without clarification and more so that you have not go a single link to provide evidence for your claim of Unreal engine 4. Note... Unreal 4 is extremely high quality. Legion looks good but not that good. Here is a video with how Unreal 4 looks on console and PC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtfCWYjOsvI i just... I can't really comprehend how stupid you are.... seriously how did you figure out how to put pants on? saying "i don't know" doesn't exclude someone as a source eh? You are not allowed to do research on anything... ever. You are effectively making everyone around you less intelligent by the black-hole of retardation you are emitting.I am so done with you it is not funny. Also one last thing, using an engine =/= great visuals. You can even make UE3 look like crap (i.e. uprising) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
burning powers Algintal Core Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:35:00 - [244] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: low genius wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right." Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4. devs have already stated that they don't intend to use the unreal 4 engine. source? Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1530	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:35:00 - [245] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You do realise that the game being released on the pc (if it gets the green light) is not dust , its called legion. Might have the same mechanics but it isnt DUST and eve on mac is a different game as eve on the pc All Hail Legion
Mary Overdrive Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:36:00 - [246] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Minor Treat wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: 2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions. Here's the dev post on the forums. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2141348#post2141348 Also zzZaXxx CCP failed on many promises for the console player base. There were many piece of equipment that were suppose to be deployed in 2013 like the stasis webifer, and the energy drainer. Everyone else who has commented mention their "laser focus on Consoles" and they did not mention bring Dust to PC (or in this case Legion as this is the first we have hear of this project). Hatred is not geared towards PC platform or the PC community but how CCP decided that alienating a community from is "focused" platform to improve the game in a easier method is more important (which is their right as a company to do so, of course this will have severe ramifications now and the future to come). Now is a PC platform a smarter move. Probably given how the PC is a easier architecture to design, while PS3 architecture is extremely complex. Notice how CCP did not use any excuses on hardware capability for the PS3? its because PS3 can handle what the Legion is capable of doing, but its extremely difficult to do so because of PS3 architecture is a *** to design. So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote:** I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Saberwing works within CCP so he is a reliable source of information.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5507	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:36:00 - [247] - Quote burning powers wrote: Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4?
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:36:00 - [248] - Quote Mary and minor your just being played by CCP. Your both right they only speak in ambiguous terms never answering direct questions (see the responses in the twitter post). "The current prototype is on u3" "is it going to be developed on u4?" RADIO SILENCE 4 Eva. Now then can neither confirm or deny anything and make you both crazy. Your getting played. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 264	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:39:00 - [249] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Quote: Name ONE promise CCP broke http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-confident-about-dust-514-s-five-year-future-255455.phtml Credit to Stubby, give it a read. On 06.06.2013 this is what CCP told us: GÇ£WeGÇÖll never make a Dust 514-2'GÇ¥ "UprisingGÇÖ is not the end of the major, free updates. WeGÇÖve got quite a few more planned for the rest of 2013 and then out for two years, out for five years, out for ten years, just like EVE. Other upcoming modes include GÇ£Penetration,GÇ¥ which will allow Dust mercenaries to raid and board EVEGÇÖs Titan-class warships, and GÇ£Gladiator,GÇ¥ a set of organized tournaments that will include in-game betting and streaming.GÇ¥ This right here, bottom line CCP talk to much. All they ever wanted was folks to buy Aurum while they worked on Legion. The name CCP will forever be tarnished with the console community. From this point forward CCP needs to be quiet. About Dust514 and Legion the damage has been done. They cut themselves off from the console market with this foolish move. Watch anytime any gaming media Outlet does an article about CCP regarding legion watch the comment section flame them. Console community don't forget when a Dev/Publisher does them wrong.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14142	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:39:00 - [250] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: burning powers wrote: Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4? Scroll up. Saberwing says their engine is so heavily modified that there isn't much point in them going to UE4. That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't if something comes up, but it looks like their version of UE3 is doing what they want it to already.

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:39:00 - [251] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You do realise that the game being released on the pc (if it gets the green light) is not dust , its called legion. Might have the same mechanics but it isnt DUST and eve on mac is a different game as eve on the pc OH, I didn't realize that Eve on Mac had a different name, a different engine, that it was born by killing Eve on PC. I also didn't realize that there was a massive character change when going from PC to mac, and that not all of your stuff was going to be there, and that the developers in fact promised not one thing as far as your prior characters on eve PC. Thanks for correcting me. burning powers wrote: Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu This response just cries out "I just got done rubbing pooh on my face, I think I will go post on the forums." GJ on looking like a 5 year old bro. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:40:00 - [252] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: Mary and minor your just being played by CCP. Your both right they only speak in ambiguous terms never answering direct questions (see the responses in the twitter post). "The current prototype is on u3" "is it going to be developed on u4?" RADIO SILENCE 4 Eva. Now then can neither confirm or deny anything and make you both crazy. Your getting played. Yeah I know the Prototype is on U3 but they probably have not gotten the green light to proceed with Project Legion yet. But if you got a link to provide that they are developing Project Legion I would love to see it. Edit: I already did get played when I bought the whole dream of Dust 514.. Stupidly enough I am still buying into the dream of Legion. Old habits die hard.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2489	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:40:00 - [253] - Quote DUST 514 keynote would be about DUST 514. Fanfest would let people have a hands-on with the next evolution of DUST 514. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:40:00 - [254] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: burning powers wrote: Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4? Scroll up. Saberwing says their engine is so heavily modified that there isn't much point in them going to UE4. That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't if something comes up, but it looks like their version of UE3 is doing what they want it to already. You keep using "i don't know" as a source. I think you do not know what source means. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:43:00 - [255] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: burning powers wrote: Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4? Scroll up. Saberwing says their engine is so heavily modified that there isn't much point in them going to UE4. That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't if something comes up, but it looks like their version of UE3 is doing what they want it to already. You keep using "i don't know" as a source. I think you do not know what source means. Source means origins buddy. So CCP is the origins and Saberwing works within them... That makes him a reliable source... Geez how old are you?
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1530	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 - [256] - Quote next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact All Hail Legion
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 - [257] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: burning powers wrote: Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4? Scroll up. Saberwing says their engine is so heavily modified that there isn't much point in them going to UE4. That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't if something comes up, but it looks like their version of UE3 is doing what they want it to already. You keep using "i don't know" as a source. I think you do not know what source means. Source means origins buddy. So CCP is the origins and Saberwing works within them... That makes him a reliable source... Geez how old are you? So the janitor that works for CCP is a reliable source too, especially when he PREFACES WHAT HE SAYS WITH I DONT KNOW!! You heard it here first folks, janitors now are sources on game development. Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 282	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:47:00 - [258] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game.
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:49:00 - [259] - Quote He can be... If the Janitors heard the conversation of the secret development of CCP on what they are going to do than he would become a reliable source of information given his origins within CCP network. Don't you think its kinda funny how everyone else is disagree with you about how sources work? And more so than you have no a single piece of evidence to proof your claim. Now at least my evidence wither its flawed or not, its still consider reasonable form of evidence given how the guys quoting it, works within CCP. Provide Links buddy
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8055	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:52:00 - [260] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. While also having about 90% of content that differs from DUST 514. inb4 The Lock!

Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:54:00 - [261] - Quote Atiim wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. While also having about 90% of content that differs from DUST 514. Technically We don't know if Legion is going to be only PC exclusive given how they couldn't have gotten the green light for development yet. Unless CCP lied to us at fanfest. Their was mention during Progression Section of fanfest that they may bring it to Next generation consoles.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2944	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:55:00 - [262] - Quote I think Zaxx's crazy rubbed off on Mary, the "I dont know" is a mealy mouthed out in case he needs it Typical CCP "I cant confirm but heres this thing thats totally happening" type of stuff really Oh and if the janitor hears some devs talking about this or that feature while mopping the floors then yeah hes a source albeit a secondary source, actually just like Saberwing Man this thread just turned into a box full of crazy, fan boys on their knees sucking CCP, people with facts being treated like man men raving about the end times, and others losing their **** over the definition of "Source"
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:56:00 - [263] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I think Zaxx's crazy rubbed off on Mary, the "I dont know" is a mealy mouthed out in case he needs it Typical CCP "I cant confirm but heres this thing thats totally happening" type of stuff really Oh and if the janitor hears some devs talking about this or that feature while mopping the floors then yeah hes a source albeit a secondary source, actually just like Saberwing Man this thread just turned into a box full of crazy, fan boys on their knees sucking CCP, people with facts being treated like man men raving about the end times, and others losing their **** over the definition of "Source" Thank you. An intelligent man finally. (walks over to shake his hand)
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1530	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:58:00 - [264] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion All Hail Legion
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 403	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:59:00 - [265] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I think Zaxx's crazy rubbed off on Mary, the "I dont know" is a mealy mouthed out in case he needs it Typical CCP "I cant confirm but heres this thing thats totally happening" type of stuff really Oh and if the janitor hears some devs talking about this or that feature while mopping the floors then yeah hes a source albeit a secondary source, actually just like Saberwing Man this thread just turned into a box full of crazy, fan boys on their knees sucking CCP, people with facts being treated like man men raving about the end times, and others losing their **** over the definition of "Source" Crazy? Business as usual.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2944	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:00:00 - [266] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion So by your logic Street Fighter 2 is the same as Street Fighter 4 and they are both actually just the same game right
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:01:00 - [267] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion That's a very solid arguement. But only thing that blurs the line between the two products is really does one game have more purpose to play than the other?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2944	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:01:00 - [268] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I think Zaxx's crazy rubbed off on Mary, the "I dont know" is a mealy mouthed out in case he needs it Typical CCP "I cant confirm but heres this thing thats totally happening" type of stuff really Oh and if the janitor hears some devs talking about this or that feature while mopping the floors then yeah hes a source albeit a secondary source, actually just like Saberwing Man this thread just turned into a box full of crazy, fan boys on their knees sucking CCP, people with facts being treated like man men raving about the end times, and others losing their **** over the definition of "Source" Crazy? Business as usual. Thats actually kind of sad, I hope you have a job that keeps you away from sharp objects and other safety hazards I dont say this to insult you but out of genuine concern for your well being
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:05:00 - [269] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion So by your logic Street Fighter 2 is the same as Street Fighter 4 and they are both actually just the same game right I think what he means is that the game itself not bias to the console platform but the product itself. For example Street fighter 4 is on Xbox360 and PS3 but there is truly no difference between the two products. But if you get the update patch for one of those two products that changes the gaming variable than its different but still the same game. But the Arguments comes down to If one product has everything while the other is missing pieces why play the less quality based version? Essentially if one product is identical but superior is all respects than how is it not the same game?
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 403	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:11:00 - [270] - Quote There's no way yet to conclude if Legion will be on Unreal Engine 3 or 4. What they've been working on has been on U3 but it seems that's more due to it being faster and more convenient for them to tweak what they were already using in order to try all the new stuff they're testing with Legion. That's just for this "test version" though. We don't know if they'll stick with that when they start fully developing it for PC. I'm sure I've read/heard a dev talk about Unreal 4 at some point. If they're even mentioning it I think it's likely that they'll be using it. We'll see.

Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 283	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:14:00 - [271] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: There's no way yet to conclude if Legion will be on Unreal Engine 3 or 4. What they've been working on has been on U3 but it seems that's more due to it being faster and more convenient for them to tweak what they were already using in order to try all the new stuff they're testing with Legion. That's just for this "test version" though. We don't know if they'll stick with that when they start fully developing it for PC. I'm sure I've read/heard a dev talk about Unreal 4 at some point. If they're even mentioning it I think it's likely that they'll be using it. We'll see. Saberwing has said that because they have modified unreal 3 so much they dont see the point of using unreal 4. They would have to start again.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5509	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:14:00 - [272] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion So by your logic Street Fighter 2 is the same as Street Fighter 4 and they are both actually just the same game right And the entire Dynasty Warriors franchise is also just one game. They're up to 8 now, with at least one and usually 2 spin-off games from each.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5509	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:16:00 - [273] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: But the Arguments comes down to If one product has everything while the other is missing pieces why play the less quality based version? Essentially if one product is identical but superior is all respects than how is it not the same game? So basically, Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 2, but Street Fighter 2 isn't Street Fighter 4 because it's a less complete version of the game? Pretty sure that logic... ummm... isn't logic.
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:16:00 - [274] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: There's no way yet to conclude if Legion will be on Unreal Engine 3 or 4. What they've been working on has been on U3 but it seems that's more due to it being faster and more convenient for them to tweak what they were already using in order to try all the new stuff they're testing with Legion. That's just for this "test version" though. We don't know if they'll stick with that when they start fully developing it for PC. I'm sure I've read/heard a dev talk about Unreal 4 at some point. If they're even mentioning it I think it's likely that they'll be using it. We'll see. And these are very good points. Until CCP has the green light for development and shows us more toward beta version of Legion we just won't know it graphically capabilities. Like you said they could change their minds midway through the project. I'd imagine they used Unreal 3 to demonstrate the idea of Legion before deciding which software product to use for the project. Truth Behind U3 is that its pretty darn good engine but what keeps Dust from being graphically impressive is the PS3 architecture , its very difficult to work with. Many games on PS3 had various trouble working with it architecture and because of it had very difficult time reaching it full potential.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2944	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:17:00 - [275] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Delta 749 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion So by your logic Street Fighter 2 is the same as Street Fighter 4 and they are both actually just the same game right I think what he means is that the game itself not bias to the console platform but the product itself. For example Street fighter 4 is on Xbox360 and PS3 but there is truly no difference between the two products. But if you get the update patch for one of those two products that changes the gaming variable than its different but still the same game. But the Arguments comes down to If one product has everything while the other is missing pieces why play the less quality based version? Essentially if one product is identical but superior is all respects than how is it not the same game? That depends on what you mean by superior, if the difference is graphics only then yes I would agree its the same regardless of platform but when you start talking about features and content I dont think its the same game at all To use Street Fighter as an example again vanilla SF4 and the upcoming Ultra SF4 might be essentially the same thing but vary a great deal in terms of content and gameplay so much so that its an entirely different game despite being nearly identical at a casual glance I dont know, maybe its because Ive been playing fighting games for years where reusing assets and such is very common but each game is its own distinct thing even if only separated by a year such as the KOF series even if they play near identically I think I rambled a bit but what Im getting at is balance tweaks and content changes will make Legion is own entirely separate game from Dust despite reusing assets and it has nothing to do with what console its on But I dont know why Adam is even arguing the point that its just a PC port when the Devs themselves have stated that its a new game
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:18:00 - [276] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Minor Treat wrote: But the Arguments comes down to If one product has everything while the other is missing pieces why play the less quality based version? Essentially if one product is identical but superior is all respects than how is it not the same game? So basically, Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 2, but Street Fighter 2 isn't Street Fighter 4 because it's a less complete version of the game? Pretty sure that logic... ummm... isn't logic. I am not comparing Street fighter 2 with Street fighter 4... Compare it with Street figher 4 without updates of balance patches or new content with a Street fighter 4 with new content. For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2944	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:19:00 - [277] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Delta 749 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion So by your logic Street Fighter 2 is the same as Street Fighter 4 and they are both actually just the same game right And the entire Dynasty Warriors franchise is also just one game. They're up to 8 now, with at least one and usually 2 spin-off games from each. I dont qualify Dynasty Warriors as a game, its more of a stress relieving tool when you just want to shut off your mind and slaughter a few thousand guys by hitting Square a lot
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5509	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:19:00 - [278] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Saberwing has said that because they have modified unreal 3 so much they dont see the point of using unreal 4. They would have to start again. Actually he's said he doesn't really know, but he thinks that's what they said, it's not really his area of expertise. It's entirely possible that was just for the quickly thrown together demo version they were showing off at Fanfest, and that "proper" development will be happening in UE4. We don't know. Just like Saberwing doesn't.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 283	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:22:00 - [279] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Saberwing has said that because they have modified unreal 3 so much they dont see the point of using unreal 4. They would have to start again. Actually he's said he doesn't really know, but he thinks that's what they said, it's not really his area of expertise. It's entirely possible that was just for the quickly thrown together demo version they were showing off at Fanfest, and that "proper" development will be happening in UE4. We don't know. Just like Saberwing doesn't. Lets hope they use UE4. Would be better.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5509	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:24:00 - [280] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now? So you're saying that because you can argue that Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 4 when the devs admit Ultra is basically an expansion and not a new game, the same is true for DUST and Legion, where not only are the two games not available in the same format like SF4 and SF4U, but they're explicitly given different names and stated by the devs to not be the same game, and to incorporate very different core mechanics?

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:24:00 - [281] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I dont qualify Dynasty Warriors as a game, its more of a stress relieving tool when you just want to shut off your mind and slaughter a few thousand guys by hitting Square a lot You need to leave this conversation if you're already making personal judgement on what's a game or not. And btw - All games are stress relief tools. Numbnuts.
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:26:00 - [282] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Minor Treat wrote: For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now? So you're saying that because you can argue that Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 4 when the devs admit Ultra is basically an expansion and not a new game, the same is true for DUST and Legion, where not only are the two games not available in the same format like SF4 and SF4U, but they're explicitly given different names and stated by the devs to not be the same game, and to incorporate very different core mechanics? Exactly my point. So does it make it another game? I really don't have an answer for that. But I see his point has for why he thinks its different game. Edit: just to clarify, these are my supporting arguments for Adam of Eve's arguments. So basically I can understand why people would say its two different games.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2949	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:26:00 - [283] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I dont qualify Dynasty Warriors as a game, its more of a stress relieving tool when you just want to shut off your mind and slaughter a few thousand guys by hitting Square a lot You need to leave this conversation if you're already making personal judgement on what's a game or not. And btw - All games are stress relief tools. Numbnuts. That was a joke son
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:27:00 - [284] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I dont qualify Dynasty Warriors as a game, its more of a stress relieving tool when you just want to shut off your mind and slaughter a few thousand guys by hitting Square a lot You need to leave this conversation if you're already making personal judgement on what's a game or not. And btw - All games are stress relief tools. Numbnuts. That was a joke son Oh, good. There's so many dumb comments around here these days I'm having a hard time finding out which is a joke and which is serious.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2949	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:29:00 - [285] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Delta 749 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I dont qualify Dynasty Warriors as a game, its more of a stress relieving tool when you just want to shut off your mind and slaughter a few thousand guys by hitting Square a lot You need to leave this conversation if you're already making personal judgement on what's a game or not. And btw - All games are stress relief tools. Numbnuts. That was a joke son Oh, good. There's so many dumb comments around here these days I'm having a hard time finding out which is a joke and which is serious. No worries And actually I kind of have the urge to play Dynasty Warriors so I might pop in 7 when I get home
Minor Treat RisingSuns Dark Taboo 295	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:31:00 - [286] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Minor Treat wrote: For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now? So you're saying that because you can argue that Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 4 when the devs admit Ultra is basically an expansion and not a new game, the same is true for DUST and Legion, where not only are the two games not available in the same format like SF4 and SF4U, but they're explicitly given different names and stated by the devs to not be the same game, and to incorporate very different core mechanics? Exactly my point. So does it make it another game? I really don't have an answer for that. But I see his point has for why he thinks its different game. Edit: just to clarify, these are my supporting arguments for Adam of Eve's arguments. So basically I can understand why people would say its two different games. Oh and technically SF4U is consider a New game because they added Ultra which to be honest as consumers we all know its not the case but what blurs the line is when core mechanics are changed.
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 164	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:33:00 - [287] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Oh Lolz. You obviously do not get it. Simply put - a lot of DUST players cannot/will not buy a pc. Legion is for PC. So what happens to the players who cannot/will not buy pc? I'll let you figure that out.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 27	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:20:00 - [288] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome. Again, if a person bought Aurum to purchase in-game items they are paying customers. Free game or not, the Aurum was not free. You can remove yourself from the pedestal now. Did CCP take away your Aurum? Did they close down the Dust servers? Did anyone force you to waste money on a promise of things to come? Did you seriously expect CCP to keep developing for the PS3 for ten years? It has been known for a long time that the game would migrate to a new platform (or be closed down), and lo and behold - it just did. And yeah, I get it, CCP are effin' useless when it comes to keeping promises. Anyone who's paid any attention to how they roll would know that, and I'm sorry that you guys had to learn this the hard way. The fanfest keynote was a real **** move. I think the right thing for CCP to do would be to refund any Aurum purchase the last month that hasn't already been lost on the battlefield. That will of course never happen, since they just took a huge hit to their finances after cancelling WoD. Their hedge fund investors probably want some returns. But - A promise, a roadmap, a list of "things we want to do" is not a written contract.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5510	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:38:00 - [289] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Did CCP take away your Aurum? Did they close down the Dust servers? Did anyone force you to waste money on a promise of things to come? Did you seriously expect CCP to keep developing for the PS3 for ten years? It has been known for a long time that the game would migrate to a new platform (or be closed down), and lo and behold - it just did. Did they take away Aurum? Effectively, for some people, yes they did. People bought their Aurum based on a promise for a PS4 version which has since been stated not to be in the works at the moment. In some cases, the person already owns the PS4 they were planning to play on, and doesn't have an up-to-date PC or the money (or the desire) to buy one. Quote: But - A promise, a roadmap, a list of "things we want to do" is not a written contract. Maybe not, but consumer protection laws in those countries which have them (most of Europe and a few places in the Pacific including New Zealand and Australia, among other regions) are just as legally binding as a written contract.
Jin Foxdale Jedi Slime. 170	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:59:00 - [290] - Quote Ive spent the evening reading through this wonderful thread, and fall firmly into the unhappy console camp. These are dark days indeed! I'm not going to try to add any points of my own, they have been said much more deeply and eloquently than I ever could (I'm looking specifically at you, Blacknova, you clever devil) but I would like to thank all of the posters for a very entertaining read. props even go to the OP -most of you may not like him, but you gotta admit hes fighting his corner and taking on all comers! Still a CCP lapdog though If you see me in the redline, driving an LAV in circles, fear not! Its my two year old son enjoying New Eden.

Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 39	Posted - 2014.05.07 21:43:00 - [291] - Quote Quote: Did CCP take away your Aurum? Did they close down the Dust servers? Well not yet, they just stopped adding new content. They confirmed this. Fixes don't count. They sold Dust as an MMO, ending the development of new content is the swan song of any MMO. Bet they wouldn't do that EVE players without notice, not if they expected these people to buy another game from them ever again. But we are just stupid console players, they think they don't have to show us that courtesy. Quote: Did anyone force you to waste money on a promise of things to come? They didn't force me to, they misled me on purpose because they believed I wouldn't pay if I knew that Dust was dying. Quote: Did you seriously expect CCP to keep developing for the PS3 for ten years? Nope. I never read anything about the "ten year plan", I wish I had, it would have struck me as highly suspicious. The most confusing thing about all this is how they thought they could get away with that lie. Clearly they never meant 10 years of support on the ps3, but oopsy-daisy! they forgot to clear that up with fans, and coincidentally profited from it. Quote: It has been known for a long time that the game would migrate to a new platform Link please.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 778	Posted - 2014.05.07 21:59:00 - [292] - Quote my biggest problem is the no pve part... they really need to add that to ps3 regardless as well as that other stuff.. though pve should be the bigger priority. it can be difficult to work within limitations of a system sometimes. but if u play eve on an old out dated computer or any game really. the game really isnt that good. cause its highest settings are impossible to run. as well as the fact that all computers will eventually become super slow. consoles just only seem to become obsolete the second the next version comes out. and since companies seem to be doing away with backwards compatibility and such theres plenty of reason to keep a ps3 and continue playing it. a game like dust 514 which should always be getting new lore content added to the game and updated and maintenance should be a game that keeps ppl coming back. no matter what.and should continue to keep getting new players. mlt vets are eternal. they shall be the bane to proto scrubs everywhere... dust 514 shall be eternal.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3234	Posted - 2014.05.07 22:15:00 - [293] - Quote MTACs 2013 ;) Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5514	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:53:00 - [294] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: Nope. I never read anything about the "ten year plan", I wish I had, it would have struck me as highly suspicious. The most confusing thing about all this is how they thought they could get away with that lie. Clearly they never meant 10 years of support on the ps3, but oopsy-daisy! they forgot to clear that up with fans, and coincidentally profited from it. Quote: It has been known for a long time that the game would migrate to a new platform Link please. As far back as closed beta, they had been talking about the 10 year plan and it specifically included a move to some form of next-gen platform at a point where such a move was reasonable to make, but anything past the next year or so was pretty short on the "planning" side of things. It was never so much a "plan" as a promise that the game would still be around that far into the future, using EVE's 10-year history as evidence that they could do it. They ALSO used EVE's past history of phasing out support for older systems while adding new content to confirm that the game WASN'T going to be held back and locked into PS3 forever, because MOVING ON WAS PART OF THE PLAN. Most people didn't question the 10 year plan, because it was never a 10 years on PS3 plan. The immediate problem where they "didn't clear things up" was that they had announced they were CURRENTLY "laser focused on PS3" and explicitly stated they had big things coming for DUST and that 1.8 and even 1.9 wouldn't be the end for DUST, as well as having Sony show DUST 514 promotional material as part of their PS4 presentation, stating that the game would be eventually coming to PS4. When they decided to reverse that course of action, they not only avoided telling anyone, but effectively muzzled the few who did know (CPM + NDA = ???). Because of their decision to keep quiet, their Aurum sales during the period where they've been working on Legion are pretty harshly smeared with the taint of false advertising and misleading conduct, partiularly given the fact that statements were made by company reps that were outright lies about the direction being taken by the dev team. On top of that, they hadn't just been selling Aurum, but they had special event sales with rare items and discounts on things to encourage people to effectively throw money away based on STILL FRESH promises that had already been gone back on without telling the customers.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5514	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:54:00 - [295] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: MTACs 2013 ;) As should already be clear to everyone, it's not going to be 2013 until at least 2018 at this rate.
Rupture Reaperson SyNergy Gaming EoN. 323	Posted - 2014.05.08 02:19:00 - [296] - Quote Jin Foxdale wrote: props even go to the OP -most of you may not like him, but you gotta admit hes fighting his corner and taking on all comers! Still a CCP lapdog though I dont know if spewing idiocy its considered "fighting"... but each to its own I guess.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 891	Posted - 2014.05.08 02:28:00 - [297] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Why is it when I read the OP I kept hearing the sound of a pastey Icelandic man being sucked off? A brilliant riposte. You, sir, are a genius. Munch Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 891	Posted - 2014.05.08 02:49:00 - [298] - Quote I think "dust" is Icelandic for "bend over". Munch Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4298	Posted - 2014.05.08 02:50:00 - [299] - Quote Where is PvE? I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please be free
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 407	Posted - 2014.05.08 03:27:00 - [300] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Dr Dammit wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us. After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome. Again, if a person bought Aurum to purchase in-game items they are paying customers. Free game or not, the Aurum was not free. You can remove yourself from the pedestal now. Did CCP take away your Aurum? Did they close down the Dust servers? Did anyone force you to waste money on a promise of things to come? Did you seriously expect CCP to keep developing for the PS3 for ten years? It has been known for a long time that the game would migrate to a new platform (or be closed down), and lo and behold - it just did. And yeah, I get it, CCP are effin' useless when it comes to keeping promises. Anyone who's paid any attention to how they roll would know that, and I'm sorry that you guys had to learn this the hard way. The fanfest keynote was a real **** move. I think the right thing for CCP to do would be to refund any Aurum purchase the last month that hasn't already been lost on the battlefield. That will of course never happen, since they just took a huge hit to their finances after cancelling WoD. Their hedge fund investors probably want some returns. But - A promise, a roadmap, a list of "things we want to do" is not a written contract. CCP has way more interaction with it's players than other game developers, and of course that interaction is mostly about where the game is going, changes, balancing, etc. And then there's Fanfest and twitter and all that. So there's a lot of communication that builds up expectations. Most other game companies just leave their players in the dark until the product is ready. Heck, most don't even have a concept of community feedback being part of the development process. Sometimes CCP has to change course and it's jarring to the community, but that better than having been treated like total consumers with no input the whole time.

Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 339	Posted - 2014.05.08 03:49:00 - [301] - Quote Seriously? Is this thread still a thing?
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 278	Posted - 2014.05.08 03:52:00 - [302] - Quote Lol this thread is still going.
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.05.08 07:08:00 - [303] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Minor Treat wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. Edit: as a matter of fact, if he is not a source than Clearly the developers within CCP are not sources either. So yes I would quote a community Manager within CCP as a opposed to a guy on the forums who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW. God you are dumb. It was actually dumber of the community manager to even say that. Community managers are responsible for the coordination and public relations effort. While they don't have to know coding, they need to know enough information about the product that would be answered. IF the assumption was "no one was going to ask that", that's flat out lazy of him. If the honestly didn't know, then he's somewhat out of touch of what is going on with a product he is responsible for understanding... oh **** did I just accuse someone at CCP of being out of touch with their own product, how silly of me, I could I have ever arrived at that conclusion! Whatever gave me THAT thought now IF you want a more intelligently thought out dialectic approach then if they already worked out an Alpha UE3, then it'd be easier to run it throughout unless they desire to make to different versions and test it simultaneously with the game beign released on UE4 but tested on UE3; the game being built on a UE4 is easier to develop with from a coding standpoint but does seem to support the lighting and texture features that are prominently heavy in Dust. But it also stands to make it a bad way to use your resources and creating a game from one engine and transferring it to another isn't as easily prolific either. Currently the only game I know of to do an Alpha and Beta build with different sets of codes is Archage with their reliance on the Beta for the actual game and to stress test/bug detect the actual game build and Alpha for feedback and general impression purposes. But CCP doesn't seem like they're in the financial position to either pull this off or even support it in the manner that ArchAge does. I once walked into a store and wanted a SSD. The clerk went down the list and once i got the one i wanted, I asked for the cage kit to put int in my desktop. They looked at me weird wondering what I meant. That's how some of us feel when talking to CCP; we're not asking all of them to be masters of their products but sometimes the questions gamers ask from engines to platform codes you should prepare yourself to answer and not knowing it makes you look dumb as much as the person who accuses the individual of pointing this out.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 595	Posted - 2014.05.08 07:54:00 - [304] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely. The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game. I agree that the way it was presented was not sensitive to what the reaction would be. But COME ON people! They're Icelandic neckbeards that stare at screens all day and fiddle with code! Yes, they should have better PR but they've basically come out and said, "Oops! Yeah we didn't answer some really obvious, glaring questions right up front. Sorry about that. Now that it's ONE DAY since then, we'll clear all that stuff up. Oh, and we really want your feedback as we move forward and want the community to be involved in developing the next evolution of DUST." What do y'all do in real life when someone says, "Oops sorry!" a day after they got you all twisted and then do their best to clear up the misunderstanding?" Slap them in the face and say "YOU BETRAYED ME!!! I"M NOT YOUR FRIEND ANYMORE!!!" Depends greatly on how bad they screwed up. In my line of work (monitoring firewalls) honestly if i screw up for 1 hour (or even type in the wrong command like reload, reboot, or init 6 ) it could simply mean i get fired. if i was to intentionally lie to a customer and then try to explain why i lied the next day.. well there would be no next day i would have been fired that night. So do i feel bad about the flack ccp has been getting? Not at all in fact here is a bottle of oxygen to fan those flames!
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 775	Posted - 2014.05.08 08:14:00 - [305] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Pve, player market, laser focused ps3, all racial weapons vehicles, and most importantly LASER FOCUSED PS3 We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
D34NOS MAZDA G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 466	Posted - 2014.05.08 08:34:00 - [306] - Quote deployable shields Been well over a year since they were in a dev blog. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1953268#post1953268
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 281	Posted - 2014.05.08 13:46:00 - [307] - Quote No defending CCP on this one, trying to defend makes you look foolish. Bottom line they lied for months abour Dust future. Even given the chance, (See Saberwing post) to come clean they still lied. To top it all off they are still lying about character tranfers to Legion. I think CCP can't help themselves they love to lie or give false hope.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3218	Posted - 2014.05.08 14:10:00 - [308] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Lol this thread is still going. I know, right? I'll just leave this here. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 437	Posted - 2014.05.08 14:52:00 - [309] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all. Suppose somebody swindles you out of your money with bogus promises on a 2nd hand car. Would everything be forgiven after they admit their 'mistake'? Of course not, you still want your money back and an apology!
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 438	Posted - 2014.05.08 17:53:00 - [310] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Minor Treat wrote: For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now? So you're saying that because you can argue that Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 4 when the devs admit Ultra is basically an expansion and not a new game, the same is true for DUST and Legion, where not only are the two games not available in the same format like SF4 and SF4U, but they're explicitly given different names and stated by the devs to not be the same game, and to incorporate very different core mechanics? Exactly my point. So does it make it another game? I really don't have an answer for that. But I see his point has for why he thinks its different game. Edit: just to clarify, these are my supporting arguments for Adam of Eve's arguments. So basically I can understand why people would say its two different games. Whether it's the same game or not is a moot point. It's on another platform! Suppose you buy a game for your PS3 and the seller ships you a copy for PC, stating: "Sorry, no refunds, because it's the same game."?

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 763	Posted - 2014.05.08 17:59:00 - [311] - Quote inb4 page 17 of enraged neckbeard flaming Sign if you refuse to give up on the PS3 Dust
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2014.05.08 19:55:00 - [312] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. I raise the ante by saying this: I don't want a better DUST 514...I want a BETTER COMPANY from CCP! A better company says they made mistakes and we'll improve and be more inclusive. A better company says "we pissed off a lot of you with our broken game and we'll throw the whole resources of the company to make it the envy of others". You know what kills me, COMPANIES HAVE GONE TO THESE EXTREMES! Anyone remember when a game title called FF14 came out? It was voted worse game year of its release [just like how Dust was voted so last year]. They didn't segregate the playerbase and shutdown and create a brand new game. They went on basically saying "we're going to fix this game because failure means the ruin of the whole company". They literally fired nearly all of the key players in the original release and brought in the best talent they could get on the project and from day one the new developer in charge made it a point to outline a map and constantly communicate to the playerbase that this is what will happen, how they'll fix it and integrate it into the current storyline. It worked and anyone who played and posted a youtube of the first FF14 would tell you all it had were great graphics and NOTHING ELSE! That's the problem, Dust has so much more than "great graphics" and doesn't seem inclined to changing people or bringing in talent to move it toward a positive direction. You can say "its not CCP's way" but at the same time a company giving a message that can be interpreted that "we don't want your business" isn't very conducive to its growth either. I read this letter by SOE's J-Smed on EQ: http://smedsblog.com/2014/02/11/the-sandbox-mmo/ I think that last paragraph really reiterates the biggest problem PS3/console players have raised a flag to: this isn't EvE its years later in a different market and a different time and tackling problems like they did EvE doesn't cut it anymore. WoD is no more and soon Dust514 won't be too. When Legion comes out it'll be a "new title" with a smaller playerbase than Dust, so how can that save CCP even?
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 411	Posted - 2014.05.08 22:21:00 - [313] - Quote Bump!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2014.05.08 22:27:00 - [314] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Bump! This is against forum rules. Reported.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8174	Posted - 2014.05.08 22:33:00 - [315] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Bump! Reported Quote: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the DUST 514 forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of DUST 514. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 14. Bumping outside the Corporation Recruitment channel is prohibited. The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the Corporation Recruitment forum channel. The Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please review the sticky threads in this forum channel for specific details. CCP Rouge (Crowd Control Productions - 'Neo' EVE: Legion) DUST 514 -HAND
The Shadow514 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 14	Posted - 2014.05.08 22:35:00 - [316] - Quote Do you remember the pilot suit?
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 33	Posted - 2014.05.08 23:33:00 - [317] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Whether it's the same game or not is a moot point. It's on another platform! Suppose you buy a game for your PS3 and the seller ships you a copy for PC, stating: "Sorry, no refunds, because it's the same game."? Err... I'm pretty sure a PS4 is a different platform than a PS3. You still need to buy a new machine. Also, your example is flawed. You forgot to mention that your hypothetical seller already shipped you a PS3 copy a year ago.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 390	Posted - 2014.05.09 00:05:00 - [318] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: lrian Locust wrote: Whether it's the same game or not is a moot point. It's on another platform! Suppose you buy a game for your PS3 and the seller ships you a copy for PC, stating: "Sorry, no refunds, because it's the same game."? Err... I'm pretty sure a PS4 is a different platform than a PS3. You still need to buy a new machine. Also, your example is flawed. You forgot to mention that your hypothetical seller already shipped you a PS3 copy a year ago. Half of a PS3 copy, with assurances that it would eventually be finished one day.
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 441	Posted - 2014.05.09 10:59:00 - [319] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: lrian Locust wrote: Whether it's the same game or not is a moot point. It's on another platform! Suppose you buy a game for your PS3 and the seller ships you a copy for PC, stating: "Sorry, no refunds, because it's the same game."? Err... I'm pretty sure a PS4 is a different platform than a PS3. You still need to buy a new machine. Also, your example is flawed. You forgot to mention that your hypothetical seller already shipped you a PS3 copy a year ago. Players are used to upgrading their system as time progresses. Everybody understands that the PS3 won't live forever and won't last during another 10 years of development. These players don't mind switching to a PS4 in due time. Switching to different system is something different. Other players, other controls, new and different hardware, compatibility with their TV, etc.. It's not a logical step to expect. As for your comment that they already shipped a PS3 copy - how does that align with CCP's laser-focused 10-year development plan? And the pilot suit?
GerAseR United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 27	Posted - 2014.05.09 11:14:00 - [320] - Quote Force Seventrum wrote: TL:DR! But at the first thing. I spoke at a german community gathering at last gamecscom with @CCP_Praetorian. And I talked about future platforms. And he was like: "I can say nothing BUT you wont be dissapointed smile" So now on fanfest he deliverd. So yeah. They deliver. And this was in August 2013 No he didn't, he just said "No, PC and PS3 for now" and every time i've tried to beat the **** out of him (literally) about what happend with the announced stuff for planetary conquest you caught my word, and praised him to the sky. Thats why he smiled... ^^@upsGerAseR <-> ups-clan.com^^

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2285	Posted - 2014.05.09 12:45:00 - [321] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, Someone actually wasted time answering such an obvious idiot when he starts with this ? He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2014.05.09 12:47:00 - [322] - Quote I'm so not gonna read that wall of crap. People are upset because they invested so much time and money into the game. Kinda like me give you free wood to build a house, then when you get done, come by and burn it down while you're sleeping. But you'd be okay with that right? G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Gallente Heavy
GerAseR United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:39:00 - [323] - Quote Don't forget this one: Quote: HOW IS THE GAME GÇ£MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYERGÇ¥? DUST 514 takes place in the massive, persistent EVE Universe, which has been thriving for over ten years, contains hundreds of thousands of EVE Online players, and spans thousands of solar systems and individual planets. A major war in the EVE Universe could involve thousands of players at once. DUST 514 can support 24v24 matches in a single battle in a single district on a single planet, and there can be multiple battles on a planet happening simultaneously, impacting each other in real time. The scale of DUST 514 is unprecedented. ^^@upsGerAseR <-> ups-clan.com^^
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1696	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:44:00 - [324] - Quote 10 year plan for Dust 514 on the consol market...just let that synk in for a few minutes ..10 year plan that enticed allot of us into buying merc packs etc. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Tectonic Fusion 1658	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:10:00 - [325] - Quote I have a feeling this person either made this post to show the noobs who are unaware CCP's broken promises...
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 196	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:05:00 - [326] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: I have a feeling this person either made this post to show the noobs who are unaware CCP's broken promises... Yep they act like the kRaCkheads in my area asking CA$H promising they need it for food then they go back to the kRaCkhoUsE for another FiX DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 230	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:08:00 - [327] - Quote Bro, this Golden Girls nagging old lady club is still happening? Do you even play video games brah? Saying what's on people's minds
D34NOS MAZDA G0DS AM0NG MEN 470	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:26:00 - [328] - Quote rollover SP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 41	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:11:00 - [329] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: boba's fetta wrote: they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all. Suppose somebody swindles you out of your money with bogus promises on a 2nd hand car. Would everything be forgiven after they admit their 'mistake'? Of course not, you still want your money back and an apology! If you've been driving around in it for a year before you even notice something is wrong... no. No refund for you.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 427	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:23:00 - [330] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: lrian Locust wrote: boba's fetta wrote: they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all. Suppose somebody swindles you out of your money with bogus promises on a 2nd hand car. Would everything be forgiven after they admit their 'mistake'? Of course not, you still want your money back and an apology! If you've been driving around in it for a year before you even notice something is wrong... no. No refund for you. What if they promised 10 years free service as part of the sale, and then refused after only one year?

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3251	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:58:00 - [331] - Quote Wow. Still going. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Frame Halgorbor Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 10	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:06:00 - [332] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious: 1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform. False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC. Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console. Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!" To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version." Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be btchslapped for talking all your crazy sht and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye. TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Do me a favor: Go to youtube, search for 2012 dust keynotes fanfest presentation. Watch the video - notice something? Like all the stuff coming out in 2013 that never did and are now going to be on a different platform completely? Do you remember, "LASER FOCUSED ON PS3" Stop being a fanboy. Didn't read your post btw. But the line "Only on a ps3 forum would you get away without being... blah blah" was pretty stupid, do you even internet, bro? fanboy, lol, perfect explanation +10 You knew from the start your plans/death for Dust 514 May 5th month of 2014 Feck you, and your lies
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 412	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:49:00 - [333] - Quote Bump!! (last one)
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8320	Posted - 2014.05.11 17:57:00 - [334] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Bump!! (last one) Quote: 14. Bumping outside the Corporation Recruitment channel is prohibited. The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the Corporation Recruitment forum channel. The Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please review the sticky threads in this forum channel for specific details. CCP Rouge (Crowd Control Productions - 'Neo' EVE: Legion) DUST 514 -HAND
Lunamaria Hawkeye SyNergy Gaming EoN. 251	Posted - 2014.05.11 18:56:00 - [335] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Dear enraged neckbeards, No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year. To name a few games. Planetside 2, Warframe, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, War Thunder, Dawngate, Dota 2, Smite, GTA, EVE (lol i know), and even going to go as far as saying Call of Duty. Just to name a few (the list goes on much longer). All of these games have had more meaningful updates over the course of the past year than dust has. Crawl out of that hole you live in. There are better games out there. I know I mentioned a few PC games in there, but you're comment was that 'no game in history' blah blah blah. FLIP UR TABLES (n+ëa¦Ñt¢èa¦Ñn+ën+ë Gö+GöüGö+
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1069	Posted - 2014.05.11 19:02:00 - [336] - Quote inohahna mamotto wrote: "laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion. Lasers are not usually 'focused', they are collimated light. CCP knew that and used it to fool you - but did not break a promise. Bwahahah. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2014.05.11 19:17:00 - [337] - Quote Good read... lol...OP is an idiot. DUST =/= Legion. It's basically a sequel. So promises made in for DUST is not promises that carrying over to Legion because "it's the same game"... what kind of fail logic is that?! lol Anyway, here's my comprehensive list of promises broken: - Vita app: Never saw the light of day. From being "soon" to "never was" - Gun customization: A very basic element of any FPS that's worth a **** - Painbucket: The ability to customize how your suit looks. From "soon" to "yea right!" - Mechs, Jets, and other vehicles: just lol @ that whole thing - More EvE integration: Ranging from DUST and EvE having 1 economy to DUST players being able to shoot at EvE ships. - "Laser focused on PS3" ... - "10 year development cycle" - Player market: -


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