They still say they don't have any plans on abandoning the console in the near future. And when Legion is released on PC you'll be able to transfer over your character with all his stuff intact.

Do you want to play DUST as it was meant to be played? Then when the time comes, buy a PC (doesn't have to be top of the line) and play it.

Not that important to you to play a better DUST? Sweet, go play another game on console.

Everyone is taking this so personally as if CCP are like fascists declaring the supremacy of the PC Master Race and putting patches on the arms of all console players so that they can be identified as untouchable. Puh-lease!!! It has nothing to do with that! They're making the change purely because of technical limitations of the PS3! If DUST stays on the PS3 it's development will eventually reach the limits of the platform and then DUST will slowly die. They had to make the change because of hardware, software, Sony getting in the way...these kinds of things. The fact that they were committed to PS3 before means that they were optimistic and trying to make it work on PS3. It also shows their lack of foresight in contingency planning for the possibility that PS3 wouldn't work long term. That's a lot different from a LIE.

And honestly, even if there was some douche among their decision makers that wasn't forthcoming when he should have been, I really don't care. I don't need devs to be moral saints. I need them to work hard to make DUST great. That's what they're trying to do, so I'm content.

And by the way, when Legion comes out on PC, I will have to buy a new rig and I will do so happily.

You know what? Have a fourth promise broken.

"10 year plan"

DUST 514 was promised to be a 10 year project which would be constantly evolving with new content. It WASN'T promised to be abandoned less than a year after being "released" in a state barely fit for beta, and it certainly wasn't promised to be abandoned for anotehr project that's essentially going to be doing the same things it was meant to be doing all along.

CONSTANTLY EVOLVING WITH NEW CONTEN was the biggest part of the promise they're breaking here.

ITT: Entitled manchildren.

Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us.

After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all.

#GarbleGarble

#1 was how long ago? How do you know they weren't? Maybe it was their laser focus on the PS3 and trying hard to make it work--and it still not working--that showed them that a change had to be made. As for Legion having been in development for a while, even now they haven't committed to it. They started Project Legion to see if it would work better than PS3 and to be able to compare the two. They did, and after some time of working on both they've concluded that a PC platform is necessary for the game to fully develop. If they weren't entirely transparent about all this....maybe mistakes were made there. I'm over it.

#2 Did they say lots of new content for DUST 514 or did they specifically say PS3? Methinks they said DUST 514, and they are still committed to providing that content for DUST 514. I reject your distinction between DUST and Legion. They are the same game, except you have to have a PC for Legion.....and it will be way better.

#3 It's easier to port a game from PC to PS4 than it is to port from PS3. They never made any promises about PS4 and that's still not in their control. CCP Rouge said (as much as he legally could) that once it's ready on PC they'll look into porting to console.

Thats exactly the ******* point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future!

We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!!

Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ******* platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them.

Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust!

Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey.

The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game.

They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments.

Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources.


Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do.

what ccp pulled was stupid. i dont think they thought it out first. they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all and they did finally get there.

To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."

Listen up noob....

Remember when Crysis came out? It fried even the most top of the line computers out there on it's highest settings, but you could play it on "normal" computers just fine on lower settings. Same principle applies. That's the beauty of PC. You will learn.

I don't know how much Sony got in the way...but with a developer like CCP, with such a specific, ambitious vision and as meticulous as they are in getting it just right and making so many moving parts work together as intended, having to answer to someone else will always get in the way. That won't be an issue on PC.

I know Playstation network got in the way. As for them not having skills....maybe they never could get the knack of programming for PS3. Maybe they did suck at it. Maybe they're admitting that and that's part of why they're moving to PC. All I know is CCP is the only developer working on an MMOFPS set in the EVE universe. If they suck at doing it on PC, well, bummer. I don't think they will.

I'm not deadset on believing that CCP can do no wrong, but I won't be shaken by arguments like yours that have no substance.

THIS!!

Again...same game, different platform.

Not according to CCP.

In the end, you can say whatever you want. Unless CCP makes an official statement saying that EVE: Legion is DUST 514, you not only lack a leg to stand on, but your entire argument is invalid.

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MAG had 128 vs 128 3 years before dust, with bigger maps with more detail.

BF3 has WAY better graphics on gigantic maps and more/better vehicles on PS3.

The problem wasn't sony (who bent over backwards for CCP), the problem is CCP using cut-rate coders from china to produce a horrible code base.

Guess what they are doing all over again for the PC? (cheap chinese labor is the answer)

Dear enraged neckbeards,

I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:

1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.

False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.

So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.

Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.

Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"

To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."

Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.

TL;DR: Your'e wrong.

Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787

Again...same game, different platform. DUST has been constantly evolving over the past year and will continue to evolve. It will move to PC so that it can continue to do so at an accelerated pace and without previous stifling limitations.

Stop beating around the bush and throwing all these accusations around and just admit that you're just pissed because now you have buy a PC to play DUST. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Y'all are sooooo focused on the negative and on any way that you've been slighted in the least. You choose to be blind to any positives that would quell some of your rage. If you want to wallow in your misery, go right ahead, nobody can stop you. Those of us that are willing to move forward will be part of something awesome.

Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words.

That's like seeing a bunch of white paste in a jar labelled "Mayonnaise", smelling it, confirming that it smells like mayonnaise, and then refusing to believe that it's not yogurt until you eat it.

Actually, what you're doing is more like seeing a thick yellow substance in a tub that looks suspiciously like the ones butter comes in, but the label reads "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" and you're insisting to all of us that it IS butter and it IS made from the same things as butter and that it's not a different, but similar product at all.

Hmm lets see....

Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death.

What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to?

Hmm lets see....

Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death.

What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to?

If it looks, smells, and tastes like butter, it's butter as far as I'm concerned. You want to nit pick, go right ahead. I will be enjoying toast.