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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:01:00 -
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ISuperstar wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promise... Thats exactly the ******* point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future! We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!! Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ******* platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them. Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust! Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:34:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:The Noob Destroyer wrote:They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments.
Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources.
Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do. Listen up noob.... Remember when Crysis came out? It fried even the most top of the line computers out there on it's highest settings, but you could play it on "normal" computers just fine on lower settings. Same principle applies. That's the beauty of PC. You will learn. I don't know how much Sony got in the way...but with a developer like CCP, with such a specific, ambitious vision and as meticulous as they are in getting it just right and making so many moving parts work together as intended, having to answer to someone else will always get in the way. That won't be an issue on PC. I know Playstation network got in the way. As for them not having skills....maybe they never could get the knack of programming for PS3. Maybe they did suck at it. Maybe they're admitting that and that's part of why they're moving to PC. All I know is CCP is the only developer working on an MMOFPS set in the EVE universe. If they suck at doing it on PC, well, bummer. I don't think they will. I'm not deadset on believing that CCP can do no wrong, but I won't be shaken by arguments like yours that have no substance. MAG had 128 vs 128 3 years before dust, with bigger maps with more detail. BF3 has WAY better graphics on gigantic maps and more/better vehicles on PS3. The problem wasn't sony (who bent over backwards for CCP), the problem is CCP using cut-rate coders from china to produce a horrible code base. Guess what they are doing all over again for the PC? (cheap chinese labor is the answer)
Thank you they couldn't even code Mag numbers on that super Tranquility server, now it's the hardware lol.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:41:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Dear enraged neckbeards,
I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:
1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.
False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.
So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.
Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.
Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"
To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."
Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.
TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Read the 4th post down and notice the date. If this is not a blatant lie, I don't know what one is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2053787#post2053787
So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:41:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:KING SALASI wrote:So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company. It pains me to even respond to such baseless accusations but it must be done. So he said that they are committed to DUST over the long term. You focus on the fact that "Legion" and "DUST" are not the same words and that one is on PC and the other on PS3 and try to incite hatred based on that. What was he supposed to say? "We are committed to EVE, Valkyrie, and...whatever we'll be calling the EVE universe MMOFPS when we decided what platform it needs to be on." When he said DUST, he meant DUST and Legion, because Legion is clearly DUST 2 on the PC. This should be obvious. It's obvious to me. You don't see the connection though and so it's a LIE and a BETRAYAL. Or maybe you're capable of perceiving the obvious and you do see the connection but you're just trying to use anything you can as a weapon against CCP because you're pissed because eventually you'll have to have a PC to play DUST. I've never seen such petty, nit-picking, grudge-holding attempts at twisting the truth as on these forums in the past few days!!!
He knew when he said that he was lying. It's in his own words right in your face. Fyi they lie a lot. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:13:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3. as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same. These are just excuses. Plenty of other developers have done just fine within the confines of Sony's QA (which is ultimately in place for OUR benefit, as gamers, to ensure a funamental level of quality), and there have been countless AAA titles produced over the years using the PS3's architecture. I'm not really even talking from a programming aspect though, it's not about the logistics of programming for the PS3, but more about what should have been basic common sense gameplay decisions: easily exploitable PC mechanics that should have been obvious, the decision to use the woefully inadequate Battle Academy as a solution for the poor NPE, the constant nerf/buff/nerf cycle of weapon balancing, to name a few. These things have nothing to do with the limitations of Sony or the PS3, and everything to do with the basic understanding of what constitutes a fundamentally sound, enjoyable FPS. If they couldn't handle the basics, then their grand, complex "vision" was doomed to fail from the outset. Sure, Eve is successful, but Eve is not a FPS either, and requires a completely different approach, philosophy, and skillset to develop. Just because they made a successful space-sim, doesn't automatically mean they are capable or posses the necessary skill and understanding to create an equally successful FPS game, which is a completely different genre altogether.
Bingo this guy gets it new platform don't mean bleep. If they can't the basic right on console, same issue will occur on PC. I think CCP is great at point and click shooters not so much.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:00:00 -
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I use to be a huge CCP fanboy, when Uprising launched I said give CCP time they will get Dust right. Then months past and Dust was getting worse. I said hey Eve started out rough they will get Dust fixed. You know the ten year plan.
I started noticing a horrible trend every single patch broke something. Right around August 2013 I said i don't CCP can code for the PS3. GTAV launched i left, but i always checked the forums daily.
I'm disappointed in CCP can't tell you how many Mag vets i converted to EVE Online. From this point forward I can no longer support CCP.
AS a gamer for over 30 years this is not how you treat your loyal fanbase. No matter how big or small. I can't believe anything from CCP anymore.
Anything with CCP on it i will stay far away and console gamers don't forget when a Dev/Publisher screws them over. Just ask EA the brand CCP is tarnished in the console community.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:39:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Quote:Name ONE promise CCP broke http://www.destructoid.com/ccp-confident-about-dust-514-s-five-year-future-255455.phtmlCredit to Stubby, give it a read. On 06.06.2013 this is what CCP told us: GÇ£WeGÇÖll never make a Dust 514-2'GÇ¥
"UprisingGÇÖ is not the end of the major, free updates. WeGÇÖve got quite a few more planned for the rest of 2013 and then out for two years, out for five years, out for ten years, just like EVE.
Other upcoming modes include GÇ£Penetration,GÇ¥ which will allow Dust mercenaries to raid and board EVEGÇÖs Titan-class warships, and GÇ£Gladiator,GÇ¥ a set of organized tournaments that will include in-game betting and streaming.GÇ¥
This right here, bottom line CCP talk to much. All they ever wanted was folks to buy Aurum while they worked on Legion. The name CCP will forever be tarnished with the console community. From this point forward CCP needs to be quiet. About Dust514 and Legion the damage has been done.
They cut themselves off from the console market with this foolish move. Watch anytime any gaming media Outlet does an article about CCP regarding legion watch the comment section flame them.
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:52:00 -
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Lol this thread is still going. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:46:00 -
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No defending CCP on this one, trying to defend makes you look foolish. Bottom line they lied for months abour Dust future. Even given the chance, (See Saberwing post) to come clean they still lied.
To top it all off they are still lying about character tranfers to Legion. I think CCP can't help themselves they love to lie or give false hope. |
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