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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:02:00 -
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ten year development plan for dust.
one universe // one war
knives.
vehicles.
unified market.
eve bonuses for owning districts.
did you just want one?
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:07:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN.
we all have pc's. my entire fleet is console gamers who have pc's.
what a jagoff.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:08:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is:
DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled
DUST will move to PC = Betrayal
What I'm seeing is that every statement that is considered to be a lie is not thought to be so because they don't intend to carry it out but rather because they intend to do so on the PC platform....even though that's the only way they can actually do most of the things things they promised to do.
I guess that's where some of us will just have to agree to disagree. You see it as a betrayal and a scam. I see it as a practical necessity in order to develop the game properly. If this kind of change gets you this worked up, prepare for a lifetime of disappointment and feeling betrayed a lot. Sh*t happens and you move forward. Sometimes things don't go the way we intend them to, despite good intentions. They hit a wall with PS3 and decided to go around it instead of just sit down and make camp.
As for "scams", bad intentions, and taking advantage of the customer, if the fact that the future is on PC instead of PS3 is your grounds for such talk, sorry but it doesn't hold water. Play a better DUST on PC (with all your stuff intact) and be thankful for how much better it is, or go play another game. The End.
you say things that make you look dumb.
we don't care where the game is developed. we care that the game in development is NOT dust.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:00:00 -
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Doc Browner wrote:Name one promise they kept?
i'm going to make a list:
http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegion tell ccp what you think of legion.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:35:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Well I don't see where else these conversations about recent goings on can go. We know all we can know right now:
a) DUST will be moving to PC and they intend to add a lot more to it (better graphics, PVE, etc. etc.) and integrate it with EVE and Valkyrie (these being explained as the reasons for the move) b) Some people are happy about it, some people are ROYALLY pissed. c) CCP continued to have events and encourage buying Aurum even while they were working on Project Legion. Some people attribute sinister motives to this. Some think they were just trying to keep the game interesting and give us something to do while making a little bit of money off of their free game. And some couldn't give two *****, are fine with having spent real money on the game (especially those that intend to transfer the SP they earned with omegas to Legion) and laugh heartily at talk of BETRAYAL!!!!!. d) CCP didn't reveal Project Legion until months after they started working on it. (What influence their contract with Sony had on this is unknown.) d) When CCP talked about their EVE universe MMOFPS they called it "DUST 514" and not something else.
So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives.
so, you see how a) is immediately wrong. dust is NOT moving to the pc.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:39:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve.
dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players You're (not "your") missing the point. CCP don't up the specs on EVE and force players out, they up the specs on EVE when more than 95% of existing players already meet the new requirements. They don't force the playerbase to upgrade to keep up. They wait for the playerbase to upgrade then work with the new tools that gives them. You're (still not "your") missing another point too. THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE DECISION TO MOVE TO PC. That was always a possibility. The lie wasn't that CCP decided to move to PC. The lie was that they told us they weren't changing platform WHILE they were already in the process of moving to PC. The lie was that they told us they were working on DUST and explicitly stated they were working on DUST while working on Legion, and they've told us that Legion is not DUST. Either they're lying about Legion not being DUST, or they were lying about working on DUST while working on Legion. There is no "they didn't lie to us" option in there. The game was ALWAYS planned for a move to next-gen. We had been told at Sony's E3 presentation that DUST was coming to PS4. That is no longer the case, but until Fanfest, we were given no reason to believe otherwise, in spite of it not being true. CCP's failure to provide that information was a lie of omission, and at best qualifies as a violation of laws about misleading conduct in many parts of the world. At worst, there are points about which they have directly lied, making it not merely misleading, but outright false advertising.
All that said, I'm still hoping that CCP are willing to do something to appease the playerbase, and to support us going forward. If they can do that, I'm likely to show up in Legion. But I don't currently feel like I can trust them to live up to what should be a reasonable expectation.
man, you should have been in my corp.
pure truth.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:43:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar?
exactly. all they have to do is say "dropsuit skills are not applicable" and you lose 20 million skillpoints. playing a dead title for two more years you'll have 50 million skillpoints in dropsuits. and they'll be gone. not applicable.
and vehicle skills... i think we can all agree that vehicles will need to be completely different if they're going to build a new game.
not applicable.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:41:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Quote:So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it *shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay* isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?" You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters.
yes. that's why we're so pissed off. this is NOT what we expect from ccp. it is the opposite of what we expect.
a ten year development plan. unless it gets hard.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:39:00 -
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. https://mobile.twitter.com/ccp_praetorian/status/463512406803488768Is it dog?
ccp praetorian doesn't even know what system this game is supposed to be running on.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:49:00 -
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tastzlike chicken wrote:Sorry, I'm late!
Any cool-aid left?
contact jim jones immediately.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:05:00 -
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:The Jim jones reference is appropriate the sad part is Hilmars doesn't register he's Jones, or does he? Either way top notch CCP.
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low genius
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:07:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right."
Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4.
devs have already stated that they don't intend to use the unreal 4 engine.
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