HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW.

God you are dumb.

I agree that the way it was presented was not sensitive to what the reaction would be. But COME ON people! They're Icelandic neckbeards that stare at screens all day and fiddle with code! Yes, they should have better PR but they've basically come out and said, "Oops! Yeah we didn't answer some really obvious, glaring questions right up front. Sorry about that. Now that it's ONE DAY since then, we'll clear all that stuff up. Oh, and we really want your feedback as we move forward and want the community to be involved in developing the next evolution of DUST."

What do y'all do in real life when someone says, "Oops sorry!" a day after they got you all twisted and then do their best to clear up the misunderstanding?" Slap them in the face and say "YOU BETRAYED ME!!! I"M NOT YOUR FRIEND ANYMORE!!!"

Dear enraged neckbeards,

I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:

1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.

False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.

So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.

Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.

Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"

To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."

Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.

TL;DR: Your'e wrong.

Lol this thread is still going.

they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all.

Exactly my point. So does it make it another game? I really don't have an answer for that. But I see his point has for why he thinks its different game.

Edit: just to clarify, these are my supporting arguments for Adam of Eve's arguments. So basically I can understand why people would say its two different games.

Dear enraged neckbeards,

I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:

1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.

False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.

So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.

Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.

Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"

To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."

Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.

TL;DR: Your'e wrong.

Bump!

Bump!

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Whether it's the same game or not is a moot point. It's on another platform! Suppose you buy a game for your PS3 and the seller ships you a copy for PC, stating: "Sorry, no refunds, because it's the same game."?

Err... I'm pretty sure a PS4 is a different platform than a PS3. You still need to buy a new machine.

Also, your example is flawed. You forgot to mention that your hypothetical seller already shipped you a PS3 copy a year ago.

Err... I'm pretty sure a PS4 is a different platform than a PS3. You still need to buy a new machine.

Also, your example is flawed. You forgot to mention that your hypothetical seller already shipped you a PS3 copy a year ago.

TL:DR!

But at the first thing. I spoke at a german community gathering at last gamecscom with @CCP_Praetorian.
And I talked about future platforms. And he was like: "I can say nothing BUT you wont be dissapointed *smile*"
So now on fanfest he deliverd. So yeah. They deliver.

And this was in August 2013

Dear enraged neckbeards,

HOW IS THE GAME GÇ£MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYERGÇ¥?

DUST 514 takes place in the massive, persistent EVE Universe, which has been thriving for over ten years, contains hundreds of thousands of EVE Online players, and spans thousands of solar systems and individual planets. A major war in the EVE Universe could involve thousands of players at once. DUST 514 can support 24v24 matches in a single battle in a single district on a single planet, and there can be multiple battles on a planet happening simultaneously, impacting each other in real time. The scale of DUST 514 is unprecedented.

I have a feeling this person either made this post to show the noobs who are unaware CCP's broken promises...

Suppose somebody swindles you out of your money with bogus promises on a 2nd hand car. Would everything be forgiven after they admit their 'mistake'? Of course not, you still want your money back and an apology!

If you've been driving around in it for a year before you even notice something is wrong... no. No refund for you.