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Minor Treat
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:17:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:35:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:gbghg wrote:Nstomper wrote:im sure we all know this game http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ffxiv-arr-box-art.jpg right ? Its on ps3 and not only does this game share servers with a ps4 and pc but it also has every single feature that the pc and ps4 also have, and its more massive than dust . So tell me why is it that this lobby shooter cant get a few new features added to it? If it was really the ps3 then the ps3 version of ffxiv wouldnt have as much stuff as it does on it. The blame is all on CCP well thats an MMO and i imagine theres some substantial differences between the coding and processing required for an MMO and an FPS and as someone who owns both the ps3 and ps4 version, the devs got the ps3 version to run by making it look like ****. it doesnt look that bad or at least it didnt for me because of my beautiful Haier HDTV... anyway... CCP advertises this game to be massive right? As a matter of fact " MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER SHOOTER" "brings intense infantry combat, large-scale warfare, and deep character advancement to a free-to-play massively multiplayer shooter" but guess what its not massive at all .. and okay since you want to trhow out the shooter things then how about defiance? Its a shooter and its open world and though i may not like that game anymore it has more to offer than dust oh and lets not forgot that Destiny the game that i really cant wait for. Now is a PC platform a smarter move. Probably given how the PC is a easier architecture to design, while PS3 architecture is extremely complex. Notice how CCP did not use any excuses on hardware capability for the PS3? its because PS3 can handle what the Legion is capable of doing, but its extremely difficult to do so because of PS3 architecture is a bi-tch to design.
Their have been MMO's on console products before. Look at Playstation 2 with its Final Fantasy 11.. Noted it was better on PC but it was more than capable on the console product, just not nearly as good. On PS3 check out defiance, DC Universe or Final Fantasy 14 reborn which are all MMO's. MMO's or open sandbox gameplay is not the limitation on the console and CCP was careful enough not to say that. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:36:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:low genius wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right."
Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4. devs have already stated that they don't intend to use the unreal 4 engine. source? Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions.
Here's the dev post on the forums. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2141348#post2141348 |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:39:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Minor Treat wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions. Here's the dev post on the forums. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2141348#post2141348Also zzZaXxx CCP failed on many promises for the console player base. There were many piece of equipment that were suppose to be deployed in 2013 like the stasis webifer, and the energy drainer. Everyone else who has commented mention their "laser focus on Consoles" and they did not mention bring Dust to PC (or in this case Legion as this is the first we have hear of this project). Hatred is not geared towards PC platform or the PC community but how CCP decided that alienating a community from is "focused" platform to improve the game in a easier method is more important (which is their right as a company to do so, of course this will have severe ramifications now and the future to come). Now is a PC platform a smarter move. Probably given how the PC is a easier architecture to design, while PS3 architecture is extremely complex. Notice how CCP did not use any excuses on hardware capability for the PS3? its because PS3 can handle what the Legion is capable of doing, but its extremely difficult to do so because of PS3 architecture is a ***** to design. So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but
really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:23:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but
really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. Edit: as a matter of fact, if he is not a source than Clearly the developers within CCP are not sources either. So yes I would quote a community Manager within CCP as a opposed to a guy on the forums who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW. God you are dumb. It does not exclude him as a source. And by what he doesn't know could be misinterpreted by your feeble mind. He said "I won't pretend I know what I am talking about" essentially he cannot go into details about how it was modified. Keep in mind his tag reads CCP he represents CCP so whatever source of information comes out of his mouth represents CCP's mouth.
So I think we know whos dumb because you keep jumping to conclusions without clarification and more so that you have not go a single link to provide evidence for your claim of Unreal engine 4.
Note... Unreal 4 is extremely high quality. Legion looks good but not that good. Here is a video with how Unreal 4 looks on console and PC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtfCWYjOsvI
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Minor Treat
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:40:00 -
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:Mary and minor your just being played by CCP. Your both right they only speak in ambiguous terms never answering direct questions (see the responses in the twitter post). "The current prototype is on u3" "is it going to be developed on u4?" RADIO SILENCE 4 Eva. Now then can neither confirm or deny anything and make you both crazy. Your getting played. Yeah I know the Prototype is on U3 but they probably have not gotten the green light to proceed with Project Legion yet. But if you got a link to provide that they are developing Project Legion I would love to see it.
Edit: I already did get played when I bought the whole dream of Dust 514.. Stupidly enough I am still buying into the dream of Legion. Old habits die hard. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:43:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:burning powers wrote:Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4? Scroll up. Saberwing says their engine is so heavily modified that there isn't much point in them going to UE4. That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't if something comes up, but it looks like their version of UE3 is doing what they want it to already. You keep using "i don't know" as a source. I think you do not know what source means. Source means origins buddy. So CCP is the origins and Saberwing works within them... That makes him a reliable source... Geez how old are you? |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:49:00 -
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He can be... If the Janitors heard the conversation of the secret development of CCP on what they are going to do than he would become a reliable source of information given his origins within CCP network.
Don't you think its kinda funny how everyone else is disagree with you about how sources work? And more so than you have no a single piece of evidence to proof your claim. Now at least my evidence wither its flawed or not, its still consider reasonable form of evidence given how the guys quoting it, works within CCP. Provide Links buddy |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. While also having about 90% of content that differs from DUST 514. Technically We don't know if Legion is going to be only PC exclusive given how they couldn't have gotten the green light for development yet. Unless CCP lied to us at fanfest. Their was mention during Progression Section of fanfest that they may bring it to Next generation consoles. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:56:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:I think Zaxx's crazy rubbed off on Mary, the "I dont know" is a mealy mouthed out in case he needs it Typical CCP "I cant confirm but heres this thing thats totally happening" type of stuff really
Oh and if the janitor hears some devs talking about this or that feature while mopping the floors then yeah hes a source albeit a secondary source, actually just like Saberwing
Man this thread just turned into a box full of crazy, fan boys on their knees sucking CCP, people with facts being treated like man men raving about the end times, and others losing their **** over the definition of "Source" Thank you. An intelligent man finally. (walks over to shake his hand) |
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Minor Treat
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:01:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion That's a very solid arguement.
But only thing that blurs the line between the two products is really does one game have more purpose to play than the other? |
Minor Treat
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:05:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game. the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion. besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion So by your logic Street Fighter 2 is the same as Street Fighter 4 and they are both actually just the same game right I think what he means is that the game itself not bias to the console platform but the product itself. For example Street fighter 4 is on Xbox360 and PS3 but there is truly no difference between the two products.
But if you get the update patch for one of those two products that changes the gaming variable than its different but still the same game.
But the Arguments comes down to If one product has everything while the other is missing pieces why play the less quality based version? Essentially if one product is identical but superior is all respects than how is it not the same game? |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:16:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:There's no way yet to conclude if Legion will be on Unreal Engine 3 or 4. What they've been working on has been on U3 but it seems that's more due to it being faster and more convenient for them to tweak what they were already using in order to try all the new stuff they're testing with Legion. That's just for this "test version" though. We don't know if they'll stick with that when they start fully developing it for PC. I'm sure I've read/heard a dev talk about Unreal 4 at some point. If they're even mentioning it I think it's likely that they'll be using it. We'll see. And these are very good points.
Until CCP has the green light for development and shows us more toward beta version of Legion we just won't know it graphically capabilities. Like you said they could change their minds midway through the project. I'd imagine they used Unreal 3 to demonstrate the idea of Legion before deciding which software product to use for the project.
Truth Behind U3 is that its pretty darn good engine but what keeps Dust from being graphically impressive is the PS3 architecture , its very difficult to work with. Many games on PS3 had various trouble working with it architecture and because of it had very difficult time reaching it full potential. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:18:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Minor Treat wrote:But the Arguments comes down to If one product has everything while the other is missing pieces why play the less quality based version? Essentially if one product is identical but superior is all respects than how is it not the same game? So basically, Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 2, but Street Fighter 2 isn't Street Fighter 4 because it's a less complete version of the game? Pretty sure that logic... ummm... isn't logic. I am not comparing Street fighter 2 with Street fighter 4...
Compare it with Street figher 4 without updates of balance patches or new content with a Street fighter 4 with new content.
For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now? |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:26:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Minor Treat wrote:For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now? So you're saying that because you can argue that Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 4 when the devs admit Ultra is basically an expansion and not a new game, the same is true for DUST and Legion, where not only are the two games not available in the same format like SF4 and SF4U, but they're explicitly given different names and stated by the devs to not be the same game, and to incorporate very different core mechanics? Exactly my point. So does it make it another game? I really don't have an answer for that. But I see his point has for why he thinks its different game.
Edit: just to clarify, these are my supporting arguments for Adam of Eve's arguments. So basically I can understand why people would say its two different games. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:31:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Minor Treat wrote:For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now? So you're saying that because you can argue that Street Fighter 4 is still Street Fighter 4 when the devs admit Ultra is basically an expansion and not a new game, the same is true for DUST and Legion, where not only are the two games not available in the same format like SF4 and SF4U, but they're explicitly given different names and stated by the devs to not be the same game, and to incorporate very different core mechanics? Exactly my point. So does it make it another game? I really don't have an answer for that. But I see his point has for why he thinks its different game. Edit: just to clarify, these are my supporting arguments for Adam of Eve's arguments. So basically I can understand why people would say its two different games. Oh and technically SF4U is consider a New game because they added Ultra which to be honest as consumers we all know its not the case but what blurs the line is when core mechanics are changed. |
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