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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:51:00 -
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Dear enraged neckbeards,
I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:
1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.
False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.
So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.
Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.
Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"
To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."
Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.
TL;DR: Your'e wrong. |
inohahna mamotto
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:55:00 -
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"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes
ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:56:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Dear enraged neckbeards,
I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:
1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.
False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.
So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.
Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.
Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"
To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."
Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.
TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Do me a favor: Go to youtube, search for 2012 dust keynotes fanfest presentation.
Watch the video - notice something? Like all the stuff coming out in 2013 that never did and are now going to be on a different platform completely?
Do you remember, "LASER FOCUSED ON PS3"
Stop being a fanboy.
Didn't read your post btw. But the line "Only on a ps3 forum would you get away without being... blah blah" was pretty stupid, do you even internet, bro? |
Force Seventrum
Negative-Impact The East India Co.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:57:00 -
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TL:DR!
But at the first thing. I spoke at a german community gathering at last gamecscom with @CCP_Praetorian. And I talked about future platforms. And he was like: "I can say nothing BUT you wont be dissapointed *smile*" So now on fanfest he deliverd. So yeah. They deliver.
And this was in August 2013
Green Light EVE:Legion!
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Izlare Lenix
Arrogance. Caps and Mercs
555
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:58:00 -
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I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely.
The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
357
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:58:00 -
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inohahna mamotto wrote:"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes
ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? |
boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
584
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:58:00 -
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the issue was the lack of infomation. this lead to players feeling like they were going to losse all thier work. butyou knew this already and are just trolling.
oh and pve.... that was promised.. blueberrys may be dumb but they arnt ai...
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1870
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 -
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I hope you die.
Who wants some?
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
478
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 -
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Hmm lets see
1. 10 year vision for Dust- They said the game would be updated and improved continually for a decade.
2.Racial parity for vehicles and weapons- never happened.
3. PVE- Never happened
4. Ran Aurum events on a dying game- technically not a lie, but it is shady and misleading.
5."LAZOR FOCUSED ON PS3"
6. Fighters and jetbikes
7. Commander mode- Never came out
8. Player market- Never came out
9. Huge maps- Never came out
Thats all I can think of in three minutes. Im sure if I went back and watched fanjets from last year I could find at least ten more
My reaction to Legion
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
271
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 -
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A lie of omission is still a lie. |
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4417
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:02:00 -
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Seriously Mr Apologist?
Just watch a few Dust514 trailers and take note of all the stuff that will never come to Dust514.
Every one is a broken promise.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
7963
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:02:00 -
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I'm not going to read through all of this at the moment, but after skimming through I will say this:
DUST Players will show some class and respect when CCP shows and earns some respect. I'm not sure how your parents raised/are raising you, but I'm pretty sure most people were taught that they have to earn respect before they recive it.
Also, one of the many broken promises is a Player Market.
This may or may not be applicable, but I'll just link this video here
inb4 The Lock!
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:04:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:inohahna mamotto wrote:"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes
ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? No, they promised it for console.
You really need to go youtube what I told you too before you make yourself any dumber then you already are. CCP has been lying for a very, long time. |
zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
357
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:05:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely.
The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game.
I agree that the way it was presented was not sensitive to what the reaction would be. But COME ON people! They're Icelandic neckbeards that stare at screens all day and fiddle with code! Yes, they should have better PR but they've basically come out and said, "Oops! Yeah we didn't answer some really obvious, glaring questions right up front. Sorry about that. Now that it's ONE DAY since then, we'll clear all that stuff up. Oh, and we really want your feedback as we move forward and want the community to be involved in developing the next evolution of DUST."
What do y'all do in real life when someone says, "Oops sorry!" a day after they got you all twisted and then do their best to clear up the misunderstanding?" Slap them in the face and say "YOU BETRAYED ME!!! I"M NOT YOUR FRIEND ANYMORE!!!" |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1870
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:08:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely.
The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game. I agree that the way it was presented was not sensitive to what the reaction would be. But COME ON people! They're Icelandic neckbeards that stare at screens all day and fiddle with code! Yes, they should have better PR but they've basically come out and said, "Oops! Yeah we didn't answer some really obvious, glaring questions right up front. Sorry about that. Now that it's ONE DAY since then, we'll clear all that stuff up. Oh, and we really want your feedback as we move forward and want the community to be involved in developing the next evolution of DUST." What do y'all do in real life when someone says, "Oops sorry!" a day after they got you all twisted and then do their best to clear up the misunderstanding?" Slap them in the face and say "YOU BETRAYED ME!!! I"M NOT YOUR FRIEND ANYMORE!!!"
I say "sorry don't pay the bills". Then I fold them in half with a solid shot to the solar plexus.
Who wants some?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8366
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:10:00 -
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Eve Online Incarna Expansion in 2011.
According to Fanfest 2011, the Incarna expansion was suppose to usher in the era of walking in stations, avatars hanging out in public areas and corporate rooms while setting up markets in public areas and black markets. What did Incarna bring? A room no bigger than my garage that I can't walk out of.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1596
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:10:00 -
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Why is it when I read the OP I kept hearing the sound of a pastey Icelandic man being sucked off?
Anyways, the OP and the rest of the Legion crew are free to believe and do as they please, the rest of us are also free to be mad at CCP, not spend money with CCP, and generally **** with CCP and their supporters
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
942
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:11:00 -
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Dont worry anti-Legion crowd they said "laser focused on PC" during this years progression keynote... We're doomed!!! |
Force Seventrum
Negative-Impact The East India Co.
21
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:11:00 -
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Yes they lied! But for the greater good.
I m quite sure this was like a legal excuse on this exclusive contract hing with sony... But nobody knows.
Green Light EVE:Legion!
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
584
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I'm not going to read through all of this at the moment, but after skimming through I will say this: DUST Players will show some class and respect when CCP shows and earns some respect. I'm not sure how your parents raised/are raising you, but I'm pretty sure most people were taught that they have to earn respect before they recive it. Also, one of the many broken promises is a Player Market. This may or may not be applicable, but I'll just link this video here
personaly i belive respect is given until proven it shouldnt be. and well thats what im teaching my kids. if you dont show other people respect why should they respect you.
what ccp pulled was stupid. i dont think they thought it out first. they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all and they did finally get there.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:12:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:inohahna mamotto wrote:"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes
ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point?
Heres just one glaring flaw in your logic, they promised those things for Dust 514 and not for EVE Legion |
Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1128
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:inohahna mamotto wrote:"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes
ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point?
it's a different game, brah. CCP said so themselves, over and over. Dust and Legion are different games. Legion will probably be a really amazing game, but everything that CCP said will be in Dust was a lie. You're not stupid enough to be as stupid as your OP. You're just a troll.
Yes, CCP will make a shooter that connects seamlessly with EvE. No, it won't be Dust even though they said for the past 2 years that it would be Dust. Yes, Dust will continue to be "supported". No, that doesn't mean content, it means bare minimum to meet their contract with Sony.
Markdown:
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inohahna mamotto
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:inohahna mamotto wrote:"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes
ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? Maybe you need to reread my post 5 more times so you could get my point |
Alina Heart
DEST1NY AWAITS
474
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 -
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God, just after reading the first sentence I had a feeling you were a CCP nuthugger. When I scrolled down and saw you wrote half a page defending CCP's obvious scam I knew for sure.
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
358
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:15:00 -
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You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. |
DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
294
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:17:00 -
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I'll just leave this here
Quote:sammus420 wrote: I have some concerns.
What happened to the Vita App and the Player Maket? The Dust website clearly states Dust 514 will have both.
Quote: DUST 514 brings a vibrant economy to the world of console shooters, featuring a player-driven online market
In addition, DUST 514 will feature a PlayStation-«Vita companion app that directly interacts with the game world
How about 24v24 battles? Your FAQ states we'll have those as well.
Quote: DUST 514 can support 24v24 matches in a single battle in a single district on a single planet, and there can be multiple battles on a planet happening simultaneously, impacting each other in real time. The scale of DUST 514 is unprecedented.
Oh, and how about shooting down space ships?
Quote: DUST 514 players will be able to use weapons from the ground to deal damage to spacecraft above.
Oh, and here's one of my favorite quotes from a dev log:
Quote: The merging of EVE and DUST provides opportunities for socialization far beyond what most MMOs are able to offer simply by virtue of the fact that New Eden will soon be populated by players with vastly different roles, but similar agendas. And, we believe, the universe will be better for it. Because, for better or worse, every minute spent in the EVE setting should mean something.
What happened to that?
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
358
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:21:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:God, just after reading the first sentence I had a feeling you were a CCP nuthugger. When I scrolled down and saw you wrote half a page defending CCP's obvious scam I knew for sure. Statements like this have no substance. It seems many of you can't bear to read more than a twitter feed, but sometimes it takes a few paragraphs to make a solid point. Most of these responses have no more substance than "Nuh uhhhh!!!"
If it's such an obvious scam then lay it out for me.
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THE 2000 SWINE
Commando Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:24:00 -
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"ONE UNIVERSE/ONE SERVER"
From an Email sent a long time ago.
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
358
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:25:00 -
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Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
Proficiency V.
1432
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:28:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:inohahna mamotto wrote:"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes
ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.
Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point? On dust, on ps3 not pc,
I'd better leave...
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