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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:28:00 -
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Name one promise CCP made about Dust that they did not break?
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:03:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is:
DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled
DUST will move to PC = Betrayal
See this is how everyone knows you have no argument.
#1 Dust isn't getting moved, it is getting killed. As per CCP "Dust and LEgion are 100% seperate games"
#2 I think most were expecting DUST to move, i.e. keeping your corps/characters/isk/sp. No one thought it was going to stay on Ps3 forever.
Claiming anyone thought differently than #2 is a bald face lie, a way for you to even have an argument when you actually do not. It is called a strawman.
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:16:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:The Noob Destroyer wrote:They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments.
Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources.
Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do. Listen up noob.... Remember when Crysis came out? It fried even the most top of the line computers out there on it's highest settings, but you could play it on "normal" computers just fine on lower settings. Same principle applies. That's the beauty of PC. You will learn. I don't know how much Sony got in the way...but with a developer like CCP, with such a specific, ambitious vision and as meticulous as they are in getting it just right and making so many moving parts work together as intended, having to answer to someone else will always get in the way. That won't be an issue on PC. I know Playstation network got in the way. As for them not having skills....maybe they never could get the knack of programming for PS3. Maybe they did suck at it. Maybe they're admitting that and that's part of why they're moving to PC. All I know is CCP is the only developer working on an MMOFPS set in the EVE universe. If they suck at doing it on PC, well, bummer. I don't think they will. I'm not deadset on believing that CCP can do no wrong, but I won't be shaken by arguments like yours that have no substance. MAG had 128 vs 128 3 years before dust, with bigger maps with more detail.
BF3 has WAY better graphics on gigantic maps and more/better vehicles on PS3.
The problem wasn't sony (who bent over backwards for CCP), the problem is CCP using cut-rate coders from china to produce a horrible code base.
Guess what they are doing all over again for the PC? (cheap chinese labor is the answer)
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:46:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:KING SALASI wrote:So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company. It pains me to even respond to such baseless accusations but it must be done. So he said that they are committed to DUST over the long term. You focus on the fact that "Legion" and "DUST" are not the same words and that one is on PC and the other on PS3 and try to incite hatred based on that. What was he supposed to say? "We are committed to EVE, Valkyrie, and...whatever we'll be calling the EVE universe MMOFPS when we decided what platform it needs to be on." When he said DUST, he meant DUST and Legion, because Legion is clearly DUST 2 on the PC. This should be obvious. It's obvious to me. You don't see the connection though and so it's a LIE and a BETRAYAL. Or maybe you're capable of perceiving the obvious and you do see the connection but you're just trying to use anything you can as a weapon against CCP because you're pissed because eventually you'll have to have a PC to play DUST. I've never seen such petty, nit-picking, grudge-holding attempts at twisting the truth as on these forums in the past few days!!! It seems you are the one who is having trouble distinguishing the difference in the two. Even when CCP( you know, the people developing both games) say they are not the same. Basically it boils down to you are a pointless troll or an idiot. I shall let you declare which on you are.
I am pretty sure he is a CCP developer alt, just talking crap on the forums. I mean no one is really this entirely thick-headed are they?
Listen dude, CCP lied about EVERYTHING when it came to Dust 514.
CCP will abandon the game, and start a NEW COMPLETELY DIFFERENT one called legion.
CCP will transfer the very bare minimum of stuff from dust to legion.
Dust is dead, Legion is vaporware, and CCP is full of empty promises.
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:11:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Quote:So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it *shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay* isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?" You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters. T20 incident "batphone" incident RMT incident changing 90 day GTCs to way way more expensive 60 day GTCs (i.e. almost not price drop) CPM being ignored by devs The Hilmar diaries Barbiegate (also known as monoclegate) Selective ship reimbursements (back when Bob was a thing)
Should I continue?
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:04:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:im sure we all know this game http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ffxiv-arr-box-art.jpg right ? Its on ps3 and not only does this game share servers with a ps4 and pc but it also has every single feature that the pc and ps4 also have, and its more massive than dust . So tell me why is it that this lobby shooter cant get a few new features added to it? If it was really the ps3 then the ps3 version of ffxiv wouldnt have as much stuff as it does on it. The blame is all on CCP
Exactly right. Other developers can quite easily get much greater performance from their games on the PS3 while developing a MULTIPLATFORM GAME.
Dust is the result of cut-rate chinese labor, not PS3 hardware limitations.
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:34:00 -
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low genius wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback. I'm giving them feedback. That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right."
Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine. That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4. devs have already stated that they don't intend to use the unreal 4 engine. source?
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:36:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. Its unreal 3, They modified it. You should probably do some research before jumping to conclusions. Here's the dev post on the forums. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2141348#post2141348Also zzZaXxx CCP failed on many promises for the console player base. There were many piece of equipment that were suppose to be deployed in 2013 like the stasis webifer, and the energy drainer. Everyone else who has commented mention their "laser focus on Consoles" and they did not mention bring Dust to PC (or in this case Legion as this is the first we have hear of this project). Hatred is not geared towards PC platform or the PC community but how CCP decided that alienating a community from is "focused" platform to improve the game in a easier method is more important (which is their right as a company to do so, of course this will have severe ramifications now and the future to come). Now is a PC platform a smarter move. Probably given how the PC is a easier architecture to design, while PS3 architecture is extremely complex. Notice how CCP did not use any excuses on hardware capability for the PS3? its because PS3 can handle what the Legion is capable of doing, but its extremely difficult to do so because of PS3 architecture is a ***** to design.
So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with
saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but
really a quote you want to use?
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:10:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but
really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. Edit: as a matter of fact, if he is not a source than Clearly the developers within CCP are not sources either. So yes I would quote a community Manager within CCP as a opposed to a guy on the forums who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW.
God you are dumb.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:30:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:So is a quote from a community manager, that is prefaced with saberwing wrote: I don't want to pretend to know what I'm talking about, but
really a quote you want to use? EDIT: Just in case you missed it, no, it is not what anyone would call a solid quote. Well if you wanna take a bet I will take you up on it... Based on the fact he works with the CCP developers, he probably has the most accurate information and reliable given his position. Edit: as a matter of fact, if he is not a source than Clearly the developers within CCP are not sources either. So yes I would quote a community Manager within CCP as a opposed to a guy on the forums who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. HE PREFACED THE COMMENT WITH HE DOESN"T KNOW. God you are dumb. It does not exclude him as a source. And by what he doesn't know could be misinterpreted by your feeble mind. He said "I won't pretend I know what I am talking about" essentially he cannot go into details about how it was modified. Keep in mind his tag reads CCP he represents CCP so whatever source of information comes out of his mouth represents CCP's mouth. So I think we know whos dumb because you keep jumping to conclusions without clarification and more so that you have not go a single link to provide evidence for your claim of Unreal engine 4. Note... Unreal 4 is extremely high quality. Legion looks good but not that good. Here is a video with how Unreal 4 looks on console and PC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtfCWYjOsvI i just... I can't really comprehend how stupid you are.... seriously how did you figure out how to put pants on?
saying "i don't know" doesn't exclude someone as a source eh? You are not allowed to do research on anything... ever. You are effectively making everyone around you less intelligent by the black-hole of retardation you are emitting.I am so done with you it is not funny.
Also one last thing, using an engine =/= great visuals. You can even make UE3 look like crap (i.e. uprising)
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Mary Lilac
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:39:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You do realise that the game being released on the pc (if it gets the green light) is not dust , its called legion. Might have the same mechanics but it isnt DUST and eve on mac is a different game as eve on the pc
OH, I didn't realize that Eve on Mac had a different name, a different engine, that it was born by killing Eve on PC. I also didn't realize that there was a massive character change when going from PC to mac, and that not all of your stuff was going to be there, and that the developers in fact promised not one thing as far as your prior characters on eve PC.
Thanks for correcting me.
burning powers wrote: Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu
This response just cries out "I just got done rubbing pooh on my face, I think I will go post on the forums." GJ on looking like a 5 year old bro.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:40:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:burning powers wrote:Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4? Scroll up. Saberwing says their engine is so heavily modified that there isn't much point in them going to UE4. That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't if something comes up, but it looks like their version of UE3 is doing what they want it to already. You keep using "i don't know" as a source. I think you do not know what source means.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:burning powers wrote:Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu There are sources confirming the current tech demo is UE3. Got one that confirms there aren't plans to develop for UE4? Scroll up. Saberwing says their engine is so heavily modified that there isn't much point in them going to UE4. That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't if something comes up, but it looks like their version of UE3 is doing what they want it to already. You keep using "i don't know" as a source. I think you do not know what source means. Source means origins buddy. So CCP is the origins and Saberwing works within them... That makes him a reliable source... Geez how old are you? So the janitor that works for CCP is a reliable source too, especially when he PREFACES WHAT HE SAYS WITH I DONT KNOW!!
You heard it here first folks, janitors now are sources on game development. Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself.
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